U.S. students walk out again to protest gun violence

[boomerangutang]

44 minutes ago, juice777 said:

So you have a gun problem and a mental health problem. Great nutters with guns.
So do you think people with a mental health problem should be able to have guns?
I hope the answer is no but in some states you don't need checks.And if a person with mental health issues can buy a Gun that's a gun problem.

Right wing gun-huggers can answer that:  They will say that mentally sick people should not have guns.  It's like saying 'if you go outside in a blizzard, wear a coat.'

 

That's too easy of a question.  The tougher question is:  Has the 2nd Amendment been twisted so far out of kilter - that gun-lovers (and the NRA and Russians) are making the US a dangerous and bad place to live?   Or, to put it another way:  Are gun-fanatics making schools less safe?

 

My answer to both those questions:  yes.

[mike324]

On 4/21/2018 at 5:49 PM, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

One teacher left his gun in a public bathroom on a school outing. Not in the school itself. 

 

And it most definitely is the solution, short term. Along with hardening schools against the threat. These 2 right here, if not done, will most definitely lead to another shooting, and another bunch of unprepared kids, teachers, and police. 

 

Mass shooter and unprepared people? Or hardened schools and armed ex-military teachers and cops? I think its insane to deny the logic here. 

 

 

Its been analyzed to death and Ive been watching all this closely since it happened. You really should read up on what happened with this kid. How many times the police were called, how many times the FBI were called... Its insane. Absolutely it was a failure of the system. 

If you look at gun incidents in schools, majority of the statistics were accidents. Having more armed teachers just increases those statistics and more accidents waiting to happen. Not to mention more chances of students grabbing guns from teachers, or stealing the gun.

 

You think its the solution, but I don't think it is. This is where the debate is. I think schools can have better screening such as metal detectors, and armed guards (but not teachers) thats as far as they should go. Just like in public government buildings where they have strict screenings.

 

In the parkland incident, its a failure all across the board. There is no doubt about it. The system not only includes people, background check should play a bigger role. Sometimes when crimes are not committed yet, police can't do too much. 

Edited April 23, 2018 by mike324

[mike324]

On 4/21/2018 at 5:33 PM, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Theres 2 sides to this argument here. The first one is a legal one. 

 

The right to Vote and the right to own a gun go hand in hand. 

 

Should we also require voters to undergo voter ID laws? The argument (by some) is NO, thats racist and negatively effects people of color. You would be doing the same to people of color who cannot afford expensive training courses and X number of hours and therefore excluding them from the inalienable right to bear arms. Honestly its not just people of color its everyone that would be negatively effected by that sort of law, but Im using the Voter issue to illustrate that it is a serious enough problem as to constantly be argued by Democrat politicians. 

 

Theres also rulings against registrations and having doctors involved in ones basic rights. 

 

The second argument is that none of this legislation would have stopped the parkland shooter.  

I support voter id law. Its pretty common sense, and applied to most countries around the world. Those crying racist are unreasonable. Gun training courses cost as much as driving courses.

 

The argument here is really down to 2nd amendment. Which if you take a look at this age in time, it was required for safety. But in this age and time, its not required. We need to find a compromise, nobody is trying to ban guns.

[F4UCorsair]

1 hour ago, juice777 said:

So you have a gun problem and a mental health problem.

Great nutters with guns.

So do you think people with a mental health problem should be able to have guns?

I hope the answer is no but in some states you don't need checks.And if a person with mental health issues can buy a Gun that's a gun problem.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
 

 

This may be a little off topic, but it does deal with people with mental health problems and gun ownership.

 

Many think that the Port Arthur massacre in Australia, 35 killed by a sole gunman, was the turning point for gun ownership.   The government funded a buy back of weapons, there were amnesties to hand in unlicensed weapons with no penalties, 'strict' licensing was introduced, and gun ownership dropped dramatically.  I handed in a semi automatic that I'd owned for 30+ years, during an amnesty, several years after the initial buyback.   I'd been working overseas, and it was in storage.

 

Now, 22 years on, gun ownership is higher than it has ever been.

 

About 15 years ago I decided I'd do some camping and canoeing on rivers in my state, and I would never 'go bush' without being armed, just too many weirdos on the loose.

 

I registered for the gun ownership course, received my booklet with all the info required to pass a test, about 20 pages in A5 format.  The rules were all there, and there were only so many questions that could be asked.  In short, I thought it would be quite a simple process.

 

I attended the one night course, and the other attendees were something of a surprise.  Of the 20, or so, of us, I guessed 18 were from the religion of peace, bearded buffoons and knuckle draggers, flat out stringing two words together and making any sense.  One raised the issue of having a Apprehended Violence Order against him with the instructor.  AVO's are generally issued when somebody has perpetrated an act of violence, or threatened such an act, against another.  The terms of an AVO can differ, but often they include en 'exclusion zone' around the person who had been threatened, and more often than not, restrictions on owning a firearm.

 

During the coffee break, the instructor, an off duty police officer, was advising the moron on how to have the AVO removed so that he could own a gun!!

 

Then came the test.   The instructor looked around, and said, "Guys, we can do this test individually, and some (I thought most) of you will fail, or we can do it collectively, and you will all pass.   Hands up those who want to do it individually."   I put my hand up, looked around, and was the only one.

 

He then asked for those who wanted to do it collectively to show hands, and the other 19 shoved their hands in the air so hard I though they'd punch holes in the ceiling.

 

So he asked the questions, and there was discussion until there was a consensus on the correct answer, and everybody ticked the box.  We all passed.

 

Yes, we all passed, but my assessment was that if it had been approached individually, I would most likely have been the only one, and one didn't need to be a rocket scientist to pass, but the responses given during the collective discussion indicated to me that almost nobody else had the intelligence to recall something that they'd been told half an hour previously.

 

One had mental health issues, the AVO clown, and the others simply didn't have the intelligence.

 

So, gun ownership in Australia is most likely a greater problem now than it was pre the Port Arthur massacre, and an illusion has been created by politicians who care more about how they are perveived by voters than actually achieving effective gun control.   

 

Sure, there have been no mass shootings on the same scale, and there may never be, but it has nothing to do with regulations on gun ownership.

 

I think part of the test for gun ownership should be an IQ test, a suitability test, a needs test, and psychological testing, but that would be too electorally umpopular for politicians..

Edited April 23, 2018 by F4UCorsair

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

 

 

 

Sure, there have been no mass shootings on the same scale, and there may never be, but it has nothing to do with regulations on gun ownership.

 

 

How do you know this? Apart from your alleged personal experience. And isn't it true that semi-automatic weapons like the AR-15 are still illegal for private citizens to own?

[DM07]

On 4/21/2018 at 11:31 AM, impulse said:

 

Because making stuff illegal is working so well on the war against drugs?  As if American prisons aren't already overflowing.

 

And I won't be voluntarily selling my guns unless I can buy replacements.

 

So what you are saying is: if there were a law, that would made you you have to give up your guns, you would not obey it?!

Tell me again: are you a good or a bad guy?

Or do all you "law abiding gun owners" only abide the law, if it fits you?

 

You are just on this thread saying: I don't have a clue what to do about the problem (and if I have, you tell me it is not realistic or feasable...soooo...well...what can you do?!) and therefor, you won't do anything!

 

Here is the plan: change the 2nd, put in place strong background checks on a nationwide basis, don't allow state-laws to undermine federal laws, ban assault style riffles, have gunowners check their background in every consecutive year after they buy a gun, buy back guns from people who are willing to sell back (assault riffles HAVE to be sold for a fair price) etcandsoonandsoforth

 

There are millions of ways and ALL are better than just shrugging and yelling "you will never take my guns away!" 

[riclag]

On 4/21/2018 at 7:34 AM, jimmyyy said:

This is laughable, liberal socialist educators encouraging the young and stupid to think they can change the 2A.  All they have done is add millions of members to the NRA.  America will never get rid of their guns, its simply not going to happen.  We don't have a gun problem we have a mental health problem, which was brought on by these leftist educators and politicians who forced religion and american values out of the educational system.  

 

 

Mental Health is a big issue,unfortunately its left at the door when it comes to gun violence,IMOP. Many on the left blame the gun and not the sick individuals that commit to illegal activities .  The left will have you believe that enacting more laws  and restricting sales will help solve gun violence and that most gun owners are "rednecks" and that the NRA is the cause of gun violence.Rednecks(farmers) are rural and suburban American's  in every state who use guns for hunting, protection and recreation . The  Organization of the NRA promotes safety in gun ownership for millions of law abiding  gun owners.. 

 

 A possible solution  is a centrist approach instead of the antiquated political approach.The link below has more possible fixes like the one below.

"First, the government and private sector must make access to mental health care easier, both through accessibility and through combatting social stigma. Ensuring health insurance plans cover mental health care is a must and will help combat suicide, homicide, and mass shootings".

https://ivn.us/2017/11/14/right-left-failing-us-guns/

Edited April 23, 2018 by riclag

[jimmyyy]

I would argue london is much more dangerous than just about any place in America except maybe chicago and they have banned guns and now knives.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, jimmyyy said:

I would argue london is much more dangerous than just about any place in America except maybe chicago and they have banned guns and now knives.

And you would be very, very wrong.

Reality Check: Has London's murder rate overtaken New York's?

"Looking at 2017, the homicide rate per 100,000 population stood at 1.2 in London and 3.4 in New York."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43628494

 

 

[jimmyyy]

Lets revisit those figures in 1 year, i believe you will see the equality you cucks are always bitching and moaning about.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, jimmyyy said:

Lets revisit those figures in 1 year, i believe you will see the equality you cucks are always bitching and moaning about.

I guess when you haven't got the facts in your favor, you've always got the future to invoke.

I hear Jesus is coming back any day now, too.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, jimmyyy said:

Lets revisit those figures in 1 year, i believe you will see the equality you cucks are always bitching and moaning about.

Is that really necessary?

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

A man who is desperate for acceptance, approval, and affection from women. This desperation has led to the compromise of his beliefs and values, the desecration of his dignity and self-worth, and his inability to stand up for himself and what he deserves as a human being, eg. loyalty, fidelity, and honesty in a romantic relationship.

[HAKAPALITA]

Most of the morons seem to be Students that abuse the right to carry.Perhaps the Unis should re think its respect teachings.