I'm lead to believe by watching OZ SBS and ABC that even though Australia now has same sex M the stigma still remains, the attitudes are the same nothing has changed ....................................

6 minutes ago, chainarong said:

I'm lead to believe by watching OZ SBS and ABC that even though Australia now has same sex M the stigma still remains, the attitudes are the same nothing has changed ....................................

From what I observe (both here in Thailand and in the West), it tends to be a generational thing: the older generations are much more conditioned against gayness (they think it is 'unnatural' - even though it abounds in nature!), whereas the younger generations tend to be (not always, of course) much more open-minded, informed and tolerant. 

 

It's the same with certain forms of secular religion in Thailand (I need not be more specific): as the dinosaurs gradually die off, those cults of the Personality will begin to lose their hold and their appeal and a more rational, egalitarian and open-minded vision of this land and the world will begin to supplant them.

 

May that day hasten on!

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 20188 yr by Eligius

1 minute ago, Eligius said:

It's the same with certain forms of secular religion in Thailand (I need not be more specific): as the dinosaurs gradually die off, those cults of the Personality will begin to lose their hold and their appeal and a more rational, egalitarian and open-minded vision of this land and the world will begin to supplant them.

 

I hope you are right.

9 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

how about equal rights for expats?

I m sure you can marry any expat who is willing to marry you

36 minutes ago, chainarong said:

Australia 2017

Governments dont care about your rights its all about getting more votes. And why should they pressure thailand into this? You spoke of it yourself as a "privilage" there for not an obligation.

 

I personally am against same sex marriage. They can do what them want but i dont think homosexuality should be promoted. For example this "Gay pride" crap that goes on in more and more cities i find it disgusting and take it as provocation.

11 hours ago, webfact said:

gender-based discrimination was considered a violation of the Constitution. 

Which one?

1 hour ago, GarryP said:

I hope you are right.

Allowing anything and everything to people under the pretext of "open mindedness" is pure MADNESS!

1 minute ago, Voodoochile said:

Allowing anything and everything to people under the pretext of "open mindedness" is pure MADNESS!

Our House and Driving in My Car, Baggy Trousers and House of Fun were the best for me.

2 hours ago, chainarong said:

I'm lead to believe by watching OZ SBS and ABC that even though Australia now has same sex M the stigma still remains, the attitudes are the same nothing has changed ....................................

Was it voted  for?

Maybe because  it was the politicians who wanted it not the people.

though i see it as a good thing That attitudes havent changed.

5 hours ago, Jen65 said:

LGBT "Q"  ?????? where on earth did the "Q" come from ????  Never seen a "Q" on the end before !!!   must be a Quirk of someones imagination !

You should get out more then. Q is old hat by now. 

14 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

I hope they get this sorted out ASAP.  Make me feel a lot more secure here.. make my visa easier, and also give me better legal rights.  

Pull your head in mate, it's going to be decades before you can mosy up to immigration for a same sex marriage visa. 

 

10 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Hmmmm, not sure why you would say that.  Loving two-parent households are best for a child, regardless of sexual orientation.  Better than a child with a single parent.  Better than a child who has an abusive straight father.  Or an alcoholic straight mother.  Or do you think having gay parents will result in gay children?  I'm pretty sure most gays have straight parents.  Just saying....

There have been significant studies of children raised by single parents, drug addicted parents, alcoholic parents. In general most go on to emulate their parents and have extremely difficult lives. There have been few, if any, studies on the children that have grown to adulthood raised by the gay community. Mostly because gay people would scream discrimination if serious studies were implemented. But if the other fringe of societies families are anything to go by. The child most likely will emulate the parents and go on to have a difficult life on the fringes of society. 

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You should get out more then. Q is old hat by now. 

Yes, but why do they keep adding more letters. 

I just can't keep up anymore, it's changes every week. 

Apparently the Q means queer, with the reasoning that it makes the word normal, therefore less hurtful. 

Or it means questioning which apparently means totally confused about which letter to use. 

Now it's LGBTIQ.

Or perhaps LGBTIQQ

Seriously, there are only so many letters in the alphabet. 

In my day they were all gay. Gay man or gay woman. Simple. 

Definitely too little, too late.

 

Please legalize it so I don’t have to hear about it anymore. 

This is one of the things that Saudi has correct policy on.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

This is one of the things that Saudi has correct policy on.

 

 

Dont know about "correct" but i Would exchange it with the west's policy in a heart beat.

 

I Would rather we repress homosexuality than promote it.

Edited April 25, 20188 yr by Voodoochile

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15 hours ago, Eligius said:

Right! Why should gay people have to run away and hide in a corner and get married to the opposite sex and pretend they are straight - or act all butch and macho (if they don't naturally feel that way)? It amazes me that people cannot simply live and let live. We are not all the same. Some men are more feminine; some women are more butch; other people are somewhere in the middle along the continuum. What does it matter - as long as goodwill is present? We are all in this world together, trying to fight against injustice and cruelty - so let's respect our differences. 

 

The only crime in my book is cruelty, injustice and inhumanity - and we get enough of that from certain exalted and less exalted leaders here ...

 

My gripe about the whole business is the effect on the innocent children who's lives will be affected by this.

Let people get on with their lives doing what they want as long as it does not affect anyone else.

16 hours ago, Eligius said:

I totally understand your feelings and you have every right to block from your sight any poster on Thaivisa whose views are obnoxious to you. I have done the same myself with some people.

 

However:

 

I fully defend Possum's right to express his viewpoints (distasteful though they be to me and many others). We may choose to read his views or not. But he has every right to express his opinion. Fascism comes in many forms - and as soon as we try to stop up the mouth of people whose opinions we don't like, we become fascists. I will have no part of it (I'm not saying D2b2, by the way, that you are behaving in a fascist manner - you are not - please don't misunderstand me: I actually share your sentiments).

 

The answer is to argue against views we dislike and show why their vision is extremely narrow and unfair.

 

Anyway, that's my take on the matter. Maybe some people will agree with me - others not. That is our great freedom in a democracy of ideas (which we try to preserve here on Thaivisa!).

 

 

I am not suggesting he be blocked from posting. I just wish there was a button I could choose to no longer have his posts included in my feeds. I don’t have interest in seeing the ranting of bigot. 

4 hours ago, Voodoochile said:

Dont know about "correct" but i Would exchange it with the west's policy in a heart beat.

 

I Would rather we repress homosexuality than promote it.

Perhaps we should follow your suggestion and resume stoning people to death as well? Who needs human rights? 

14 hours ago, Eligius said:

From what I observe (both here in Thailand and in the West), it tends to be a generational thing: the older generations are much more conditioned against gayness (they think it is 'unnatural' - even though it abounds in nature!), whereas the younger generations tend to be (not always, of course) much more open-minded, informed and tolerant. 

 

It's the same with certain forms of secular religion in Thailand (I need not be more specific): as the dinosaurs gradually die off, those cults of the Personality will begin to lose their hold and their appeal and a more rational, egalitarian and open-minded vision of this land and the world will begin to supplant them.

 

May that day hasten on!

 

 

 

Appears to be a large number of dinosaurs on Thaivisa

6 hours ago, greenchair said:

There have been significant studies of children raised by single parents, drug addicted parents, alcoholic parents. In general most go on to emulate their parents and have extremely difficult lives. There have been few, if any, studies on the children that have grown to adulthood raised by the gay community. Mostly because gay people would scream discrimination if serious studies were implemented. But if the other fringe of societies families are anything to go by. The child most likely will emulate the parents and go on to have a difficult life on the fringes of society. 

The only thing worse than being misinformed, is being misinformed and spreading that misinformation 

https://journals.lww.com/jrnldbp/Abstract/2016/04000/Same_Sex_and_Different_Sex_Parent_Households_and.1.aspx

Edited April 26, 20188 yr by d2b2

3 minutes ago, d2b2 said:

6 hours ago, greenchair said:

There have been significant studies of children raised by single parents, drug addicted parents, alcoholic parents. In general most go on to emulate their parents and have extremely difficult lives. There have been few, if any, studies on the children that have grown to adulthood raised by the gay community. Mostly because gay people would scream discrimination if serious studies were implemented. But if the other fringe of societies families are anything to go by. The child most likely will emulate the parents and go on to have a difficult life on the fringes of society. 

 

Given that probably 99% of gay people are the children of straight parents, how does your argument stand up in those cases?

13 minutes ago, d2b2 said:

I am not suggesting he be blocked from posting. I just wish there was a button I could choose to no longer have his posts included in my feeds. I don’t have interest in seeing the ranting of bigot. 

If you go to your User Name in the top right-hand corner of the screen and click on that, you will see a drop-down list of items appear: near the bottom you will find 'Ignored Users'. If you click on that, you can add the name of any poster whose posts you no longer wish to see, and those posts will not appear for you (but other people can still see them and read them).

Hope that helps!

45 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Given that probably 99% of gay people are the children of straight parents, how does your argument stand up in those cases?

Absolutely key and conclusive point (above). The fact that the vast, vast majority of gay people were brought up in heterosexual households, in a society that was/is OVERWHELMINGLY heterosexual in its public values, norms, practices and attitudes (especially in the early decades of the 20th century - right up, really, until the late 1960s) and yet those persons do not become heterosexual, proves pretty convincingly that the parental and societal environment are  not significant factors (if factors at all) in the generation of a person's sexual orientation. 

 

We have to remember (and I am sure many of us here are old enough!) how in the West (certainly England) in the 1950s and the early 1960s, being gay was considered so heinous, so disgraceful, so utterly shameful that it was almost ranked (by society at large) as being worse than being a rapist or a murderer (at least they had 'normal' feelings!). Families frequently disowned their gay children (who despite all the hatred and real violence against gay people - still remained gay!). Many young gay people committed suicide or tried to escape into fake 'straight' marriages, with disastrous consequences for the wife (who was usually being lied to) and of course for the gay man himself. Not to mention the children, who often became the victims of a broken marriage (THAT was the potential child harm - being brought up in a family that was built upon a lie!).

 

So with all this incredible societal bias against being gay - millions of people across the world still grew up as gay human beings. Isn't that remarkable? It certainly was not because they were having 'gayness' pushed down their throats by their family and society (in fact, they were rammed full of heterosexual values and ideals, day in, day out). Yet they remained gay.

 

So: growing up in a 'straight' family does not make a child straight. Growing up in a gay family (such as the celebrated actor, Patrick MacNee of 'The Avengers' fame - raised by lesbians) does not make a child gay!

 

 

Edited April 26, 20188 yr by Eligius

15 minutes ago, Eligius said:

 

 

So: growing up in a 'straight' family does not make a child straight. Growing up in a gay family (such as the famous actor, Patrick MacNee of 'The Avengers' fame - raised by lesbians) does not make a child gay!

 

Patrick MacNee is a lesbian for sure. ?

5 hours ago, Voodoochile said:

Dont know about "correct" but i Would exchange it with the west's policy in a heart beat.

 

I Would rather we repress homosexuality than promote it.

Why do either? It is what it is.

19 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

As long as a child has a loving, caring home where they are happy, the gender and sexual identity of the parents is irrelevant.

Could say the same thing about a dog. Providing it has a good home, who cares who it`s guardians are.

 

Sorry, it doesn`t work that way where children are concerned. The norm for children is, they have a mother, they have a father, they have aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents, they have a proper family background.

12 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Could say the same thing about a dog. Providing it has a good home, who cares who it`s guardians are.

 

Sorry, it doesn`t work that way where children are concerned. The norm for children is, they have a mother, they have a father, they have aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents, they have a proper family background.

No, as long as the children have a loving, caring, nurturing environment to be raised in, they are going to be fine. 

 

The sexual orientation and gender of those raising the children is irrelevant. 

 

And you do realise that just because someone is gay it doesn’t mean they don’t have the majority of the type of relative you mention?

Edited April 26, 20188 yr by Bluespunk