Only three traditional medicine formulas have the potential to stop certain cancers

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Only three traditional medicine formulas have the potential to stop certain cancers

 

 

Over 20,000 traditional medicine formulas have been registered but only three of them have been tested in laboratory to have the potential to be developed into medicines which are capable of blocking the spread of some cancers, according to the Department of Thai Traditional and Alternative Medicine.

 

Dr Kiattiphum Wongrachit, the department director-general, said that the three drug formulas are N040, a northern traditional medicine formula which has the potential to stop the spread of cervical cancer; Benja-amarit formula which has the potential to stop liver cancer spread; and Wat Kampramong formula.

 

However, he maintained that all the three medince formulas were still in the stage of laboratorial tests and initial findings show they can stop the spread of cancerous cells in test tubes.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/three-traditional-medicine-formulas-potential-stop-certain-cancers/

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-04-28

[DrTuner]

Better to buy an amulet then.

[Swimman]

Most things will kill any cell in a laboratory -- Until these potions have been subject to a properly controlled double-blind clinical trials there is no evidence they would be effective.

[tukkytuktuk]

Cannabis shows promise as a cure for cancer.

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As we search for anti-cancer treatments, the anti-cancer potential of cannabis has been examined in numerous scientific studies on cannabinoid receptors and endocannabinoids, resulting in promising leads. Significant research has demonstrated that cannabinoids may inhibit or stop the growth of cancers — including breast, brain, liver, pheochromocytoma, melanoma, leukemia, and other kinds of cancer — from spreading or growing. Moreover, cannabinoids have proven to promote apoptosis, the programmed death of tumor cells, while stopping angiogenesis, blood vessel production to the tumor. 

https://www.leafly.com/news/health/can-cannabis-cure-cancer

Legalise cannabis for medicinal use in Thailand.

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[CGW]

Far too much money involved in the sale of pharmaceuticals to expect honesty and truth to prevail! 

[jerojero]

And cures ebola too! What happened to that public claim a couple years ago? Anything to get press coverage just to try gain face. Sheesh!

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Only three traditional medicine formulas have the potential to stop certain cancers

That’s more than my sceptical nature allowed for. 

 

Happy to see I am wrong. 

[Cadbury]

3 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Cannabis shows promise as a cure for cancer.

Legalise cannabis for medicinal use in Thailand.

The PM, in a clear demonstration of his humanity to mankind, has firmly said NO to that idea.

After all he and his colleagues have the finances available to trip around the world to have the best physicians serve them.

Those who live a poor life in the villages do not have that option. Cannabis is probably their only hope of relief of pain.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Cadbury

[KiwiKiwi]

I wonder if those three manufacturers looked after the good doctor's (no doubt) considerable expenses in the time-honoured way.

 

'Something small' as the Africans are fond of saying when the hand goes out.

 

Rule of 80/20 probably applies. Again. Still.

Edited April 28, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[BigBadGeordie]

Excluding neo-natal and childhood cancers, it is clear that many Thai people,  especially those riding motorcycles, will never have to worry about cancer.

 

Start with the primary killer first?

 

Oops, too hard.

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[wotsdermatter]

I have a friend who is an oncologist and works in the States.  She has been working on the search for a "cure" for cancer for 20 years and admits there have been many stumbling blocks along the way.  Also, while there are a few medications that do cure some "minor" types of cancer, there is still a long way to go especially for the "major" types.  One of the factors preventing finding a cure is that the nobody really knows how it starts although it may have something to do with genetics and the DNA.  Another serious obstacle is the number of different types and variations of cancer that are present among the human population.  The use of cannabis or other "natural" plant-like substances have not been ruled out and are being investigated and tried out.  She does admit that there is a great difference between treatment in a Petrie dish, on mice/rats/and other animals, and live humans are very different and what may work in the former may not work in the latter.

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[wotsdermatter]

8 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Wat Kampramong formula.

I note that the above-mentioned suggestion has not received an attachment of any kind of cancer that it "may potentially" cure.  As it is from a Wat, has it undergone true medical trials for assessment before being called a possible contender to cure cancer?

[partington]

4 hours ago, wotsdermatter said:

I have a friend who is an oncologist and works in the States.  She has been working on the search for a "cure" for cancer for 20 years and admits there have been many stumbling blocks along the way.  Also, while there are a few medications that do cure some "minor" types of cancer, there is still a long way to go especially for the "major" types.  One of the factors preventing finding a cure is that the nobody really knows how it starts although it may have something to do with genetics and the DNA.  Another serious obstacle is the number of different types and variations of cancer that are present among the human population.  The use of cannabis or other "natural" plant-like substances have not been ruled out and are being investigated and tried out.  She does admit that there is a great difference between treatment in a Petrie dish, on mice/rats/and other animals, and live humans are very different and what may work in the former may not work in the latter.

Either your friend is not  a very well qualified oncologist or you have misunderstood what she said ( although the part about killing cells in a Petri dish being irrelevant to curing cancer in human beings is quite correct - Fairy Liquid kills cancer cells in a Petri dish).

 

How cancer starts is really well understood and the words "it may have something to do with genetics and DNA" are not correct. It has everything to do with genetics and DNA, and all scientists in the field have been aware of this for decades.

 

All cancers result from a combination of mutations in  a single cell of a relatively small number  (approx 3-6) , of several hundreds of genes that control cell division, DNA replication, cell to cell signalling and so on. For many cancers, perhaps now the majority, the genes involved are known, and already several treatments have been devised based on the identification of the specific genes involved.

 

The problem is that as there are several hundred possible genes that can provide the candidates for the 3 to 6 mutations, there can be no single cure for cancer, as each cancer has a separate set of causes, and therefore must have distinct and individual treatments.

 

The only single treatments for all cancers are the very worst ones- forms of blunt attack that just kill ALL cells that are rapidly dividing, like chemotherapy or radiation. These are bad treatments simply because they  kill normal cells as well as cancer cells, and so have huge and unpleasant side effects. They are only used, frankly, because the alternative is dying, so people are willing to bear it.

Edited April 28, 2018 by partington

[OmarZaid]

17 hours ago, CGW said:

Far too much money involved in the sale of pharmaceuticals to expect honesty and truth to prevail! 

yup !

[steelepulse]

I'm as skeptical as the next person, but I came across an article about Artemisinisin.  Someone in my family had stage 1V lung cancer ( non smoker) and started taking this and the cancer stopped growing.  Coincidence?  Not sure.  However this has been used as something for malaria for a long time and recently it has shown promising results on certain cancers.

   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisinin

[ncc1701d]

2 hours ago, steelepulse said:

I'm as skeptical as the next person, but I came across an article about Artemisinisin.  Someone in my family had stage 1V lung cancer ( non smoker) and started taking this and the cancer stopped growing.  Coincidence?  Not sure.  However this has been used as something for malaria for a long time and recently it has shown promising results on certain cancers.

   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisinin

Good place to check these sorts of things: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, steelepulse said:

Someone in my family had stage 1V lung cancer ( non smoker) and started taking this and the cancer stopped growing.

Here's another surprise:

Researchers studying the effects of Viagra (aka sildenafil) on mice have discovered a small, daily dose of the medication in the animals' drinking water significantly reduces their risk of developing colorectal cancer. https://www.sciencealert.com/viagra-treatment-colorectal-cancer-animal-studies-human-trials

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100927155318.htm

[Swimman]

21 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Cannabis shows promise as a cure for cancer.

There are over 200 distinctly different forms of "cancer"  The evidence for cannabis being a "cure" for all of these diseases is very weak and based largely on anecdotal reports from potheads.

[AsiaHand]

21 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Better to buy an amulet then.

Why would anybody believe a doctor from a country where a medical student can but the answers of his exam and a "Dr." that's already in practice can buy his letters of advancement to become a "specialist" in other fields..A nurse that has been in the field of Oncology in The US for four years understands more about cancers the most doctor here.Don't forget several "Dr.s" here in the past few years have announced the cure for malaria, Legionnaires  disease HIV,and Ebola. Hell some claim that they can make a black or brown skin white .

[Lucky mike]

Money versus truth......money always wins !

[Neeranam]

My soursop trees are now in fruit.

These have great benefits including being anti cancer.

I make tea with the leaves too.

 

[Neeranam]

2 hours ago, AsiaHand said:

 Hell some claim that they can make a black or brown skin white .

My  friends is a plastic surgeon and can do exactly that with his new laser machine.

[Swimman]

52 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

My  friends is a plastic surgeon and can do exactly that with his new laser machine.

Your friend also tells Porky Pies. 

[Muzarella]

The BIG PHARMA from some Western countries never will recognize research and trials executed in "3rd" World countries. Already many countries are using medications and methods to cure cancer, not approved by BIG PHARMA.  Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, China, already are using it with sucess, and....why not?...Thailand may have some with its herbal medicine. Most Western foreigners do not have enough knowledge in Eastern medicine to have opinions about, and its are just following Western propaganda and marketing.

[Kieran00001]

On 28/04/2018 at 4:47 PM, Swimman said:

Most things will kill any cell in a laboratory -- Until these potions have been subject to a properly controlled double-blind clinical trials there is no evidence they would be effective.

 

3 out of 20,000 wasn't most of those things.

[Swimman]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

3 out of 20,000 wasn't most of those things.

Are you missing something?   Give me a cell in a Lab and I will guarantee it can be killed - no need for any fanciful claims about herbs etc ---  I await the results from clinical trials of these three potions.

[AsiaHand]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

My  friends is a plastic surgeon and can do exactly that with his new laser machine.

Bull Shit

[AsiaHand]

5 hours ago, Swimman said:

Your friend also tells Porky Pies. 

and neeranam has some Brooklyn Bridge shares that he bought also.

[alwaysrainsinUK]

On 28/04/2018 at 11:05 PM, partington said:

Either your friend is not  a very well qualified oncologist or you have misunderstood what she said ( although the part about killing cells in a Petri dish being irrelevant to curing cancer in human beings is quite correct - Fairy Liquid kills cancer cells in a Petri dish).

 

How cancer starts is really well understood and the words "it may have something to do with genetics and DNA" are not correct. It has everything to do with genetics and DNA, and all scientists in the field have been aware of this for decades.

 

All cancers result from a combination of mutations in  a single cell of a relatively small number  (approx 3-6) , of several hundreds of genes that control cell division, DNA replication, cell to cell signalling and so on. For many cancers, perhaps now the majority, the genes involved are known, and already several treatments have been devised based on the identification of the specific genes involved.

 

The problem is that as there are several hundred possible genes that can provide the candidates for the 3 to 6 mutations, there can be no single cure for cancer, as each cancer has a separate set of causes, and therefore must have distinct and individual treatments.

 

The only single treatments for all cancers are the very worst ones- forms of blunt attack that just kill ALL cells that are rapidly dividing, like chemotherapy or radiation. These are bad treatments simply because they  kill normal cells as well as cancer cells, and so have huge and unpleasant side effects. They are only used, frankly, because the alternative is dying, so people are willing to bear it.

I thought this gene therapy etc was all the rave now concerning Cancer ?

[Neeranam]

16 hours ago, Swimman said:

Your friend also tells Porky Pies. 

Well what are your qualifications?

 Do I believe a doctor from the best hospital in the country, with many clinics, who teaches other doctors, or you?