Mario666 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LivinLOS said: How about to reduce the social issue of Thai alcohol over consumption.. Which based on the 'boycott' tally in this thread alone seems to work. Thailand is no longer cheap.. Go earn more money, sort your finances out, or leave.. Its not here to accommodate every unprepared pensioner. You are missing the points! I am certainly no alcoholic, but I do like a drink and I enjoy wine. This Pretend "Wine" which contains other fruit juices than grape is the issue. The tax and or the not so mysterious "Mark-UP" that greedy Thai vendors apply is unacceptable for what after all is at best a poor (Not Cheap) imitation of the real thing. If people still want to GET "PISSED" as we say in the UK....they can go and buy Hong Thong, Sangsom or if you're really feeling the need "Black Cock" for peanuts. So this ridiculous tax and the greedy "Vendors Markups" will never stop anyone drinking or reduce the amount they are drinking i.e., they will just switch to alternatives. You also said "Thailand is no longer cheap.. Go earn more money, sort your finances out, or leave.. Its not here to accommodate every unprepared pensioner." Just for the record I have got more than enough money. Also I am not a pensioner so if your remark was aimed directly at me I am afraid you are aiming at the wrong target! Hope you aren't Pissed? Edited May 2, 2018 by Mario666 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario666 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: I drank Archa a long time ago, but the beer tastes so strange that i switched to Leo. Arch was 25 baht not too long ago, the big bottle. Now 47 Samui 7/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMo Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 6 hours ago, sammieuk1 said: If your a beer and wine drinking brexit brit with pounds time to sober up. And as Mar Sol 4lt red at 780tb has disappeared from every corner of CM its coffee time stick the tax and dream of Asda. Haven't seen Mar Sol red in Buriram for 6 months. The 4 ltr fitted nicely into the fridge door. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliwood Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Too expensive for table wine...Now it cost 999 baht to buy a 3 liter box of red wine Montclair... And before it cost for a 5 liter box of the same wine 899 baht... Too much tax is killing the product... And of course these taxes goes where?? I let you guess! No way...NO MORE WINE FOR ME!!! Farang are not cowmilk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tbone999 Posted May 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, LivinLOS said: How about to reduce the social issue of Thai alcohol over consumption.. Which based on the 'boycott' tally in this thread alone seems to work. Thailand is no longer cheap.. Go earn more money, sort your finances out, or leave.. Its not here to accommodate every unprepared pensioner. What a ridiculous thing to say. If they were so worried about the social issue, why not a commensurate increase in hard liquor and beer...because the Thai's would all be screaming that's why. The increase in the cost of wine is outrageous, but no-one is complaining as most Thai's don't drink it. Boycotting a product doesn't mean it'll reduce consumption. People will just turn to something else. As for your last stupid comment, what makes you think it's to do with pensioners and money? It's about the price increase for a rubbish product. Would you say the same thing if they increased the price of a car by 80% to alleviate the social issue of too many cars on the road and pollution? No, I don't think so. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaidream Posted May 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2018 The Thai excise tax system is outrageous- The system is a type of Tariff on foreign products- including alcohol; pharmaceuticals; and virtually everything imported. most US made products cost 5 times more in Thailand and I would imagine the same for Canada, Australia and Europe. Yet, Thai products are hardly taxed at all in other developed countries. How about some reciprocity. I am always quite surprised that the Australian-Thai trade agreement did not lower the prices on Australian goods in Thailand to include wine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Looks like the I drink too much forum will get a push in the very near future, then in about 6 months will shut down for good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbone999 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Thaidream said: The Thai excise tax system is outrageous- The system is a type of Tariff on foreign products- including alcohol; pharmaceuticals; and virtually everything imported. most US made products cost 5 times more in Thailand and I would imagine the same for Canada, Australia and Europe. Yet, Thai products are hardly taxed at all in other developed countries. How about some reciprocity. I am always quite surprised that the Australian-Thai trade agreement did not lower the prices on Australian goods in Thailand to include wine. If you look on the Thai Customs site, they don't charge for imports from the suppliers from Australia, New Zealand and Chile, but they tax the importers instead, however, these increases don't make any sense from as described in the latest Customs change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripstanley Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Bought a 2 boxes of Leo big bottles beer today. Still 600 baht per box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marquis22 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Maybe the kiddies have woken up that the ma-n-pa stores do not shut between 2 - 5 as was the Gov's intention to stop them from buying the demon drink? Hope you are wrong about a universal price rise for Archa. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GanDoonToonPet Posted May 2, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) Well...quite a bit of activity on this thread in a short time & too many posts to quote so... 1. The MASSIVE boxed wine tax increase happened a few months ago & was discussed then. 2. Last month I went through a Blend 285 phase & the price at my LM&PS increased by 5B for a 70cl bottle, mid month. 3. Archa has been 47B (ish) a bottle for a very long time but at least they changed the formula to be palatable & reduce the headache the next day. 62B a bottle is not worth it on any level. 4. I just brewed a new batch of ginger beer so Moscow Mules were in order. Picked up a nice bottle of Phoenix Vodka (imported) at Makro for 400B today...all vodka is tasteless so no point forking out 1000B for Smirnoff LOL. Edited May 2, 2018 by GanDoonToonPet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korkenzieher Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 On the 'fruit mixed' subject, this is my understanding: The tax on *WINE* was different to that on alcoholic fruit juices. So some enterprising (mainly South African) producers labeled up their wine as alcoholic fruit juice - the fruit being grape. That bit of getting around the tax law was spotted and changed. So in effect, it means that the 'correct' rate for wine has been applied to the alcoholic fermented grape juice, and then the duty rises applied to it as the wine product it is - leading to the eye-popping increases we've been witnessing. My solution is to buy the grape juice and convert locally :-) - however, the price of grape juice has also risen. Whether that is due to that potential loop-hole being plugged, or many others are doing it, affecting supply, I can only guess. (Added to that, the Mont Clair 10 litre box, is pretty good value on a per glass basis and while still of modest quality, it is a better wine than it was a few years back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I posted a similar topic about 6 weeks ago and it was completely destroyed by the "PC bleeding heart mob". They were not interested in tax on beer and fags all they said was "give up" basically. So much for the freedom of choice for adults. Good luck with this thread. All the announced tax hikes on new stocks should have been introduced by now. You don't say what your normal tipple is but around me Archer is 45 (in Seven/11) and a baht more in MaxValue/BigC when they have stock. All brands (except for the awful Chang) seem to run out from time to time so we will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Thaidream said: The Thai excise tax system is outrageous- The system is a type of Tariff on foreign products- including alcohol; pharmaceuticals; and virtually everything imported. most US made products cost 5 times more in Thailand and I would imagine the same for Canada, Australia and Europe. Yet, Thai products are hardly taxed at all in other developed countries. How about some reciprocity. I am always quite surprised that the Australian-Thai trade agreement did not lower the prices on Australian goods in Thailand to include wine. They don't tax importation, just tax retail prices. I bet that isn't in the agreements. Thailand doesn't do reciprocity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 16 hours ago, LivinLOS said: How about to reduce the social issue of Thai alcohol over consumption.. Which based on the 'boycott' tally in this thread alone seems to work. Thailand is no longer cheap.. Go earn more money, sort your finances out, or leave.. Its not here to accommodate every unprepared pensioner. Unprepared pensioners probably still have way more disposable income than the average Thai people It's highly unfair to price them out of having a drink and the alcoholics will still be alcoholics because they will drink Lao Kao or something homemade for 10thb a glass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickudon Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Still some prices going up. Wife runs small shop and both lao khao and a beer she bought last week from wholesalers were up 10-20 baht a case. But sometimes prices go down (price wars between suppliers?). If Archa goes up again (hasn't for us yet) try Beer U - it is a bit of an acquired taste, sweet, but cheaper than Archa ... On the wine front yes prices are now not just high but extortionate. Very little selling anymore, but homebrewed wine now readily available from a friend of a friend ..... also grape juice for under 50 baht a litre, wonder what will happen if some yeast gets inside ....... I think the wine tax hike will backfire, home brewing is so easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyyy Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 My blend has gone up a few baht, not really enough for me to bother detailing it out in a post. Beer is still very cheap here, i have no complaints. If TPP was to hit here at least there would be some competition and pricing might not be to bad if they really adhear to the TPP agreement and not import tax it to death anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryford Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 You can almost feel sorry for the makers of Mont Clair. They must have had a good business and now it's fallen through the floor. I doubt many farangs will be buying it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 23 hours ago, Krataiboy said: So the tax increases are having the desired effect. Well done, General! That's not the tax increase. Some idiot thinks just because the stuff is selling well, they can suddenly increase the price by 30%, I'm not having it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 23 hours ago, AhFarangJa said: These are virtually non existent now. Only Mont Clair in 3 litre cartons at 1000 Baht a time. Everybody should boycott Montclair. I buy Castle Creek now, it is still less than a 1000 Baht for 5l. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 9:40 AM, hobobo said: For good? Does that mean until tomorrow, or later on today? At least until the weekend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Been buying the 2 litre Castle Creek for 450 baht since the price of Montclair went through the roof, but yesterday the price skyrocketed to 550 baht. I think there are no cheaper options now, either pay it or become a teetotaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhFarangJa Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 8 hours ago, AlQaholic said: Everybody should boycott Montclair. I buy Castle Creek now, it is still less than a 1000 Baht for 5l. Agreed, but even that is like rocking horse doo daa in Hua Hin Now. Only 2 litre bottles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbone999 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 What's the largest bottle of grape juice anyone has been able to buy and from where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 9 hours ago, AlQaholic said: Everybody should boycott Montclair. I buy Castle Creek now, it is still less than a 1000 Baht for 5l. Once the current stocks of every wine run out completely I believe they will all be priced about the same. The 'popular' brands are of course selling out before the others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GanDoonToonPet Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) I went to Tesco today for the weekly (non alcohol) shop & browsed the booze isle. Tiger was still 104B for a double pack. I had to turn back before the wine section as the 3 staff stocking shelves formed an impenetrable barrier & displayed an indifference to my existence...a common occurrence. Edited May 3, 2018 by GanDoonToonPet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George FmplesdaCosteedback Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 19 hours ago, rickudon said: Still some prices going up. Wife runs small shop and both lao khao and a beer she bought last week from wholesalers were up 10-20 baht a case. But sometimes prices go down (price wars between suppliers?). If Archa goes up again (hasn't for us yet) try Beer U - it is a bit of an acquired taste, sweet, but cheaper than Archa ... On the wine front yes prices are now not just high but extortionate. Very little selling anymore, but homebrewed wine now readily available from a friend of a friend ..... also grape juice for under 50 baht a litre, wonder what will happen if some yeast gets inside ....... I think the wine tax hike will backfire, home brewing is so easy. I went to the local BigC today and Archer is down to 44. Wine seems to be targeted, as anything drinkable is imported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickudon Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Tbone999 said: What's the largest bottle of grape juice anyone has been able to buy and from where? 42 baht for a litre carton, Says no preservatives. But usually around 50 baht in most shops. I'm not saying where, as a local shop in Udon and supplies have been low of late. Edited May 4, 2018 by rickudon left out text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryford Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 So happy today i managed to buy a 4.5 l box of Castle Creek for 925 baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 02/05/2018 at 10:42 AM, InMyShadow said: I just bought a 10L for 1499 baht at Tesco Bangkok. Still a few boxes left Today Big C increased the price on 3L Montclair again, this time from 999 to 1115 Baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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