Anger in France, Britain over Trump's gun law speech

[underlordcthulhu]

43 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Yes, because France and England are sooooo evil and the USA is so good. 55555555. 

There are still some decent people in England and France but the rest are cowards. There's a high price to pay for cowardice. 

[JAG]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals

 

BTW the Angles and Saxons were German tribes who came much later but before the Normans and the start of French rule. Me? I'm a complete celt ?

I don't wish to be accused of being a member of the spelling police Grousy so...

[mikebike]

3 minutes ago, underlordcthulhu said:

There are still some decent people in England and France but the rest are cowards. There's a high price to pay for cowardice. 

Yes, and some Mexicans are good people too.

[Grouse]

38 minutes ago, johncat1 said:

pandering to ethic groups and races

You hit the nail on the head there, Johncat1 

[underlordcthulhu]

23 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Yes, and some Mexicans are good people too.

I couldn't agree more.

[anon789561]

he just says what ever his audience want to here where ever that may be at the time IMO. yeah sure, arming everyone with guns will make a difference to the knife crime epidemic. don't you think the UK hospitals have enough on their hands Trump.

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, underlordcthulhu said:

I couldn't agree more.

Yes but when I saw The Magnificent Seven they did seem rather cowardly to me

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.  

[sukhumvitneon]

Truth hurts.

 

You don't see the cowardly mass shooters attacking police stations or military bases.  Why? Because they know people there will fight back and kill them very quickly.  They'd rather hit the soft targets instead.  "Gun free zones" never stopped a spree shooter, ever.

Edited May 6, 2018 by sukhumvitneon

[roobaa01]

as ususal correctly mr. president trump points out correctly the violent crimes, mainly executed by muslims. the same bigot outcry by the leftwing clowns took place when he pinpointed swedens 72 muslim no go areas.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[sungod]

Serious question, does the USA allow licensed gun holders to openly or conceal carry at sporting events, concerts, political rallies? How do you tell a good guy from a bad one at security screening?

 

I think Trump should practice what he preaches and allow licensed holders of weapons to turn up at all of his appearances if weapons make him feel that safe, interesting thought no?

 

 

[underlordcthulhu]

47 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

Truth hurts.

 

You don't see the cowardly mass shooters attacking police stations or military bases.  Why? Because they know people there will fight back and kill them very quickly.  They'd rather hit the soft targets instead.  "Gun free zones" never stopped a spree shooter, ever.

Gun free zones are safe spaces for murderers.

[sukhumvitneon]

59 minutes ago, sungod said:

Serious question, does the USA allow licensed gun holders to openly or conceal carry at sporting events, concerts, political rallies? How do you tell a good guy from a bad one at security screening?

 

It depends on the state.  Some states have laws against carry into sports stadiums, concerts, or public meetings, and others don't.  In practice, many of these places will have metal detectors/wanding to detect weapons, and if you are discovered to have one you will usually be asked to return to your car to secure your firearm.  If asked to leave, you must leave, otherwise you are liable to arrested for trespassing. A "good guy" will have a permit to carry or a badge.  "Bad guys" will almost never attempt to take a weapon past posted security.

 

If you think the Secret Service will allow civilians to carry into a presidential rally or public appearance, you are delusional.  

[sungod]

18 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

It depends on the state.  Some states have laws against carry into sports stadiums, concerts, or public meetings, and others don't.  In practice, many of these places will have metal detectors/wanding to detect weapons, and if you are discovered to have one you will usually be asked to return to your car to secure your firearm.  If asked to leave, you must leave, otherwise you are liable to arrested for trespassing. A "good guy" will have a permit to carry or a badge.  "Bad guys" will almost never attempt to take a weapon past posted security.

 

If you think the Secret Service will allow civilians to carry into a presidential rally or public appearance, you are delusional.  

Why, don't good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns, if we have lots of good guys with guns at Trump appearances should he not feel safer using his and the NRA's logic? 

 

I think it would be better for Trump to change US law allowing all badge holders into all US events with weapons before telling the French what they did wrong.

Edited May 6, 2018 by sungod
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[JAG]

6 hours ago, underlordcthulhu said:

Nothing angers people more than the truth.

Except perhaps outright lies, presented as the truth?

[JAG]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Oops, looks like NRA-ites have hijacked the thread...

Is that what they are "BP", I thought that they were just plain old fashioned racists...

[alocacoc]

From Wikipedia
 
The English are a nation and an ethnic group native to England who speak the English language. The English identity is of early medieval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ("family of the Angles"). 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people
 
 I have no idea why it is not a hate crime to deny the Brits their history and culture. It is very hateful, but yes I know these days every race and culture are allowed to be proud of their country and heritage except for white people. Trump, I imagine will change this despicable hate of whiteness during his 2 terms. 

Thank you for your honest comments. This gives a little hope.

Sent from a so called Smartphone using an App.

[7by7]

7 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

As a Brit, I would like to say a big thank you to Trump for speaking up about the knife crime and violence that made London essentially feel like a third world dump. He might not be PC but he is correct on all counts. The spike in violent crime has been downplayed by authorities which is a disgrace, and bobbies on the beat are now virtually non existent. Traditional Brits are terrified to leave their homes after dark, and even one guy last year blew up a crisp packet and popped it on a tube station which caused a stampede -ie everyone is on edge, everyone is scared. It is a proper mess, and needs to be cleared up. Send in the army, arm the proper Bits, this was our country now it's a hole.

 The country you describe bears absolutely no relation to the one I live in.

 

But then I live South West of London just outside the M25 in an area with a higher than average immigrant population and make regular and frequent trips into London, Birmingham, Manchester etc., so what do I know?

 

The only time I have any concerns about being out after dark is on a Friday and Saturday night due to the drunken, often violent activities of white, British people. But I somehow doubt it was them you were referring to!

Edited May 6, 2018 by 7by7
Correct typo

[Basil B]

6 hours ago, maxcorrigan said:

Nearly, but blair was/is the supreme king of liers!

would not say a lair just convincing one to believe the opposite of whats true...

[Basil B]

Trumps next tweet...

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Had to say it or the NRA wants their $130,000 dollars back...

 

[Tilacme]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Insensitive, ignorant moron.

There are of course the usual leftists here who get off on name calling and "being offended", but what Trump has done at G7 is shown that he is not going to be bowed by Marcon or Mercel any time soon.  Trump showing who is boss.

[7by7]

7 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

7 hours ago, hagler said:

what's a "traditional Brit" ?

From Wikipedia

 

The English are a nation and an ethnic group native to England who speak the English language. The English identity is of early medieval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ("family of the Angles"). 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people

1) What about the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish; or do you not consider them to be British?

 

2) You do realise that the Angles (and Saxons, Jutes) were immigrants to these islands, don't you?

 

3) Over the last 1500 years or so since then many other ethnic groups have immigrated to the UK; Danes, Jews, Normans, Huguenots, etc., etc. and their descendants now consider themselves English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish as well as British. This, of course, includes the descendants of 20th century immigrants; you know, the ones you don't like because their skin is a different colour to yours.

 

7 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I have no idea why it is not a hate crime to deny the Brits their history and culture. It is very hateful, but yes I know these days every race and culture are allowed to be proud of their country and heritage except for white people. Trump, I imagine will change this despicable hate of whiteness during his 2 terms.

You have no idea what you are talking about; no idea of the British history and culture taught in our schools as part of the national curriculum.

 

Plus, of course, adult non EU national immigrants have to pass the life in the UK test, which includes questions on British history and culture, in order to remain in the UK and adult immigrants from anywhere have to pass if they want to become British. You can take an official practice test here; you'll see all the questions are about British history and culture!

 

This is, of course, in addition to passing increasingly difficult English language tests at each application stage.

Finally, click here for examples of English people being prevented form being proud of their Englishness on St Georges day; not!

 

SAs you are so fond of the Anglo Saxons, i would use one word to sum up your posts; but the swear filter would remove it! Hint, begins with bol and ends with locks!

 

 

[Bluespunk]

20 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

There are of course the usual leftists here who get off on name calling and "being offended", but what Trump has done at G7 is shown that he is not going to be bowed by Marcon or Mercel any time soon.  Trump showing who is boss.

No, what he has done is be his usual insensitive, ignorant, arrogant, buffoonish self.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Tilacme]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, what he has done is be his usual insensitive, ignorant, arrogant, buffoonish self.

Again name calling with no substance, this is typical of the left who want to preserve the European union.

[Tilacme]

Donald Trump is a breath of fresh air at the G7. He is taking on eu governments for not protecting their boarders.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Tilacme

[7by7]

7 hours ago, BuaBS said:

As usual Trump is right.

We are defenseless against the crimes/terror of the muslim invaders.

Buying guns should be as easy in europe as it is in the US and apparently here in Thailand.

Trump 2020.

The ignorant prejudice of yet another ant immigration immigrant is obvious.

 

The recent deplorable rise in violent crime in the UK has nothing to do with Muslims. Those responsible are gang members and are mainly from third or fourth generation descendants of immigrants from black, West Indian, Christian backgrounds.

 

As for being defenceless against Islamist terrorism. One recent example of the security forces success: Isis supporter jailed for life for trying to build child army in London.

 

Here's another: Man denies terror attack plot to kill Theresa May.

 

As the IRA chillingly proved, the security services can never stop every single terrorist attack; remember their chilling remark after they failed to kill Thatcher in the Brighton bombing: “Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once – you will have to be lucky always.”

 

But with intelligence led operations, these days they can stop most. BTW, where do you think that intelligence comes from? It's not people like Stephen Lennon and those of his ilk, it's from within the British Muslim community!

 

As for the ease of buying guns in the USA, it hasn't helped in the fight against terrorism there. Fact; in the USA this century more people have been killed in mass shooting incidents perpetrated by white Americans  than have been killed in Islamist terrorist attacks; and that includes 9/11!

 

We haven't had a mass shooting incident here in the UK since our gun laws were overhauled following the Dunblane massacre in 1997.

 

 

 

[7by7]

7 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

FAKE NEWS

Really?

 

What is about my post that is fake?

 

That the victims and perpetrators of the recent wave of knife and gun crimes in London are not Muslim?

 

That the UK security services have had many successes in locating, arresting and prosecuting Islamist terrorists?

 

That we haven't had a mass shooting incident in the UK since the Dunblane massacre in 1997?

 

Or maybe you think the IRA failing to kill Thatcher in the Brighton bombing is fake news!

 

 

Edited May 6, 2018 by 7by7
Addendum

[Bluespunk]

35 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

Again name calling with no substance, this is typical of the left who want to preserve the European union.

Not calling names.

 

Using apt adjectives.

 

Based on his actions.

 

Again, not linked to any political persuasion.

 

Adjectives are freely available to all.

Edited May 6, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Tilacme]

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Really?

 

What is about my post that is fake?

 

That the victims and perpetrators of the recent wave of knife and gun crimes in London are not Muslim?

 

That the UK security services have had many successes in locating, arresting and prosecuting Islamist terrorists?

 

That we haven't had a mass shooting incident in the UK since the Dunblane massacre in 1997?

 

Or maybe you think the IRA failing to kill Thatcher in the Brighton bombing is fake news!

 

 

Crikie 7, even god was allowed on rest on the 7th day.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Tilacme said:

There are of course the usual leftists here who get off on name calling and "being offended", but what Trump has done at G7 is shown that he is not going to be bowed by Marcon or Mercel any time soon.  Trump showing who is boss.

Are you referring to the most recent G7 in Italy last May, where Trump was a laughable embarrassment?

 

Whats wrong with Macron and Merkel bowing? If you meant cowed then say so. Or did you mean that they intend to play home like a cello?

 

Trump is "The boss" of a highly damaged nation. I do hope the USA finds its way again. In the meantime, we'll politely ignore your POTUS ?

Edited May 6, 2018 by Grouse