Father of balcony fall children: Mother has kept 2 million baht to herself

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Father of balcony fall children: Mother has kept 2 million baht to herself

 

 

The father of the four children who fell from a balcony in Bangkok has told Thai media that he suspects his estranged wife has kept 2 million baht in donations to herself.

 

Marcel Borel told Amarin TV that the money has not been used to pay for the care of three of his children who remain in Phaet Panya Hospital.

 

He said he is using his own money derived from family in Switzerland and other donations and wants the children transferred to better rooms.

 

For his own part he said that he would open a bank account and provide full details of withdrawals in the interests of transparency.

 

He said that his wife had said that the money she has received would be used for the children's education but the priority right now was their health care.

 

After visiting with Dima, 11, and Luka,10, he said that their condition was improving. His daughter had asked for an iPhone and his son for school books.

 

Seven year old Chanida remains in a coma but stable. When her father spoke to her Thai media said her pulse increased and tears appeared in her eyes.

 

Five year old Alex Borel died in the fall from the fourth floor balcony in Ramkhamhaeng Soi 34 two weeks ago.

 

He was cremated last week.

 

Marcel and his wife Chananrat are involved in a custody battle.

 

Marcel claims that his ex was angry with him after he tried to stop her taking drugs.

 

The case has received widespread public attention attracting donations to both the mother and father of the children.

 

Source: Sanook

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2018-05-14

[sweatalot]

Don't know the truth -

but experience tells me to believe the father

[4MyEgo]

You would think in this day and age, the funds could be paid into the hospital for the kids by those seeking to make donations, the kids getting private rooms and possibly best care possible in a private hospital if required, anything left over could go to charity, screw the parents and their money hungry lawyers for all I care, regardless of drug addictions, he said, she said, they are both guilty because the ending of relationships should not be about using kids as porn's, courts and lawyers should wake up and make it law that when parents split its 50/50 custody unless one parent forfeits his/her rights. 

 

But then again its a money making business, isn't it, over and out ! 

Edited May 14, 2018 by 4MyEgo

[mercman24]

totally agree with the fathers side of this story, seems a decent guy, (wonder what she was doing working nights) and if there is money involved, you can gaurantee, it wont go to who it was meant for if   a Thai is involved, i hear the grand dad bought a new scooter., for a start

[happy chappie]

Why is there donations of millions.these children are in a Thai general hospital.as for her keeping the donations for the kids education.pull the other one it's got bells on.a yabba head looking after 2 million baht and rising but that won't be for long now the family have hit the jack pot.she needs to be drug tested and if proved right the money confiscated and some donated to the hospital that is treating them and the rest used to give these poor souls some sort of future.makes me sick reading articals like this and tells me any donations I give just line the wrong people's pockets.

[sammieuk1]

A lot of twists and turns in this very sad but one sided story hope this gets resolved very quickly for the kids sake. 

[marko kok prong]

Unsurprising,the three things Thai women of this ilk like is ,Food,gold,bust most of all MONEY.

[anon789561]

this story is sad from the accident but all the stuff around it is bad. alright so no one knows the truth but i definately believe the father and when he says he would put money in one account and prove transparency by providing receipts etc it just seals it for me. his mother, as he said, should worry about the problem at hand which is what people donated the money for. those kids should be in the most comfortable rooms with the best care that money donated could buy but the way she probably see's it as they'll be alright in there, best save the money. for their education? yeah right, she'll have them in the cheapest local schools and they'll unfortunately probably never make it to higher education, although i hope they do. that money will be no good to them then. that'll be gone within a year and nothing on the kids. and if what he is saying is true and he is even paying the bills and she has just kept the money then surely a complaint could be made to the police. he's going public with his allegations so again i tend to believe him and if his publicity gains enough attention perhaps something will be done not just to get those kids better but to sort out the mess surrounding their parents also

Edited May 14, 2018 by Happy enough

[myfriendu]

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

You would think in this day and age, the funds could be paid into the hospital for the kids by those seeking to make donations, the kids getting private rooms and possibly best care possible in a private hospital if required, anything left over could go to charity, screw the parents and their money hungry lawyers for all I care,, courts and lawyers should wake up and make it law that when parents split its 50/50 custody unless one parent forfeits his/her rights. 

 

But then again its a money making business, isn't it, over and out ! 

regardless of drug addictions, he said, she said, they are both guilty because the ending of relationships should not be about using kids as porn's.

You should retract they are both guilty, why should he stay with a drug addict,he and the kids should be as far away as possible from the mother. 

[AhFarangJa]

3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

he said, she said, they are both guilty because the ending of relationships should not be about using kids as porn's, courts and lawyers should wake up and make it law that when parents split its 50/50 custody unless one parent forfeits his/her rights. 

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I remember reading last week the courts gave him visiting privileges that the Mother ignored....allegedly. 

Also, why is there no mention of neglect by the Grandparents who locked them in a room for the night with an open window. 

 

Sadly, it is always the innocent children who end up suffering the most in these cases, and I for one admit I do not have the answer.

[4MyEgo]

37 minutes ago, myfriendu said:

regardless of drug addictions, he said, she said, they are both guilty because the ending of relationships should not be about using kids as porn's.

You should retract they are both guilty, why should he stay with a drug addict,he and the kids should be as far away as possible from the mother. 

Your entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but asking me to retract my statement would like removing my freedom of speech, I didn't say they should stay together, oh contre, that said, regardless of the mother being a drug addict, the kids will always love and want their mother, a mother is a mother is a mother, regardless, I am talking from 1st hand experience as well.

 

I saw my late brother go through an ugly court battle that cost him $160AUS to get his two daughter away from their mother, she is also deceased now, she not only a was a drug addict, but was living with a bikie of a well know bikie gang who was the Sargent of Arms, nice rap sheet, drugs, guns and video was taken of bikies in and out of the house daily.

 

He did end up getting full custody and tried his best to raise his two feral cats as he referred to them from 5 & 7, private schooling, family environment, but at 12 and 14 they said they wanted to go and live with their mum, my late brother just raised his arms one day and said, you know what, and off they went.

 

Their lives since have turned out to be sheeet, they are pushing 30 now, one is a single mum who has never wanted to work and has been evicted scores of times for failing to pay rent, the other lives with her boyfriend and new born in a garage, regardless, kids have a connection with their mum.

 

In my own divorce, I kept it as civil as I could, and my x was evil, never left me alone, (guess she still loved me), and I never put her down to my daughter, who will be 21 soon, but have opened her eyes when she would challenge me after her mother was trying to brainwash her, with me being gentle and providing documents for her too read, like a teacher to a student, always telling her that there are always two sides to a story and I am always there to answer her questions truthfully and my soft approach with her has provided me with a great outcome, i.e. she knows who her mother is from her own demise, and who her father is from his love, openness and continued support.

 

She still lives with her mum, and if I ever went against her mum or tried to put her mum down, no doubt the child would have become defensive, so the approach is to show them love, support and always be open with them, they can think, they can make up their own minds, and I would never rob her of her mother, as much as I loath her, that is for me to deal with, and to be honest, loath would be the wrong word, time heals, so I suppose I would say, I have empathy for her, but id she were on fire I wouldn't pee on her 

Edited May 14, 2018 by 4MyEgo

[Destiny1990]

What lunatics would send money to the drug addicted mother?

These Thai kids have basic insurance nobody have to send a single bht.

Mom needs to give the kids to the father. 

[Get Real]

3 hours ago, mercman24 said:

wonder what she was doing working nights

Even if I am not on the mothers side in this case, you must be really ignorant commenting like this. It has been clearly stated before that the mother worked night in a hotel.
Why even bother to comment if you are going to post such nonsense?

[4MyEgo]

38 minutes ago, AhFarangJa said:

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I remember reading last week the courts gave him visiting privileges that the Mother ignored....allegedly. 

Also, why is there no mention of neglect by the Grandparents who locked them in a room for the night with an open window. 

 

Sadly, it is always the innocent children who end up suffering the most in these cases, and I for one admit I do not have the answer.

Yes mothers will turn nasty, my x tried to stop me twice when I wanted to take my young daughter to Thailand for holidays, and I was within my rights, as the court orders stipulated that I could take her providing she was given a full itinerary, contact numbers etc etc, and the kid was supposed to ring her mum every night, and every night when I asked her to ring her mum, she said, I am not ringing her dad, is that ok with you, and naturally my reply was "up to you"

 

Both my wife's and my mobiles would constantly ring from the x, however we just didn't answer, suffice to say, revenge can sometimes be bitter sweet, no call from her daughter for 4 weeks, that must have went down well, she is an adult now and when she visits, her mum cannot say a thing 555

 

To add to all of this, she is really tight with my Thai wife of 11 years, not too many kids can have relationships with their step mums so I am told.

[CLW]

11 year old needs new I Phone. That are priorities...

[d2b2]

1 hour ago, myfriendu said:

regardless of drug addictions, he said, she said, they are both guilty because the ending of relationships should not be about using kids as porn's.

You should retract they are both guilty, why should he stay with a drug addict,he and the kids should be as far away as possible from the mother. 

I think you meaning "using kids as pawns".  

[observer90210]

People are naive in making cash donations to a woman taking drugs....I would rather give the hospital the money in deposit for treatment, but cash to a drug addict...nothing good will end up !!

[Nip]

I went through a similar battle and found the childrens court unlike the courts of 1st and 2nd instance to genuinely seek a solution that benefited the children and was not influenced by the mother and fathers pleas. On this basis and bearing in mind we only have his side of the story I suspect there is a lot more to this story than we are being fed. I base this on experience and being fully aware of the lets say the unusual and selfish mindset of Thai women with regards to money. We are however taking his every word as gospel and he may be an honest guy but I'm curious to hear her side. If all he says is true the law can protect him and the children and there are many celebrity Thai lawyers too willing to take up a case like this.

[Destiny1990]

1 hour ago, Get Real said:

Even if I am not on the mothers side in this case, you must be really ignorant commenting like this. It has been clearly stated before that the mother worked night in a hotel.
Why even bother to comment if you are going to post such nonsense?

Yeah right and u believe that nonsense hotel job?? usually drugs users have other ways at night time for how to score dope money.

its obvious that the Thai mother is a drug addict and prostitute thats the exact reason why Thai court ruled that the children need to live with their father.

if that mom was so innocent and perfect hard honest working why the judge ruled against her?

Edited May 14, 2018 by Destiny1990

[cyberfarang]

6 hours ago, sweatalot said:

Don't know the truth -

but experience tells me to believe the father

The truth is that those children have become pawns in the hate games of 2 deadbeat parents.

 

Both the mother and the father are not suitable to be carers and would be beneficial for the children if they were adopted out into loving and caring family homes. If this had happened in the west, those kids would have been taken away by social services and placed into care.

 

Very tragic all round, and the future for those surviving children is not looking bright.

[atyclb]

through a thai gal i knew of a half farang child whose mother claimed the father was a specific uk expat. he sent lots of money to her that was supposed to help the child but virtually none of it did. instead the money was used by the mother to show off and make nice to a policeman. she bought him expensive gifts. i recall the childs mother teaching her to drink lots of pepsi but little healthy food or drink.

 

 

finally the brits lawyer brother requested a dna test to confirm paternity but mother refused. advice was to discontinue sending money.

[car720]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Your entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but asking me to retract my statement would like removing my freedom of speech, I didn't say they should stay together, oh contre, that said, regardless of the mother being a drug addict, the kids will always love and want their mother, a mother is a mother is a mother, regardless, I am talking from 1st hand experience as well.

 

I saw my late brother go through an ugly court battle that cost him $160AUS to get his two daughter away from their mother, she is also deceased now, she not only a was a drug addict, but was living with a bikie of a well know bikie gang who was the Sargent of Arms, nice rap sheet, drugs, guns and video was taken of bikies in and out of the house daily.

 

He did end up getting full custody and tried his best to raise his two feral cats as he referred to them from 5 & 7, private schooling, family environment, but at 12 and 14 they said they wanted to go and live with their mum, my late brother just raised his arms one day and said, you know what, and off they went.

 

Their lives since have turned out to be sheeet, they are pushing 30 now, one is a single mum who has never wanted to work and has been evicted scores of times for failing to pay rent, the other lives with her boyfriend and new born in a garage, regardless, kids have a connection with their mum.

 

In my own divorce, I kept it as civil as I could, and my x was evil, never left me alone, (guess she still loved me), and I never put her down to my daughter, who will be 21 soon, but have opened her eyes when she would challenge me after her mother was trying to brainwash her, with me being gentle and providing documents for her too read, like a teacher to a student, always telling her that there are always two sides to a story and I am always there to answer her questions truthfully and my soft approach with her has provided me with a great outcome, i.e. she knows who her mother is from her own demise, and who her father is from his love, openness and continued support.

 

She still lives with her mum, and if I ever went against her mum or tried to put her mum down, no doubt the child would have become defensive, so the approach is to show them love, support and always be open with them, they can think, they can make up their own minds, and I would never rob her of her mother, as much as I loath her, that is for me to deal with, and to be honest, loath would be the wrong word, time heals, so I suppose I would say, I have empathy for her, but id she were on fire I wouldn't pee on her 

Good man.  Sums it all up.

Of course the other solution (the one the Thais would take) is just to off the mother.  

[Nip]

32 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

The truth is that those children have become pawns in the hate games of 2 deadbeat parents.

 

Both the mother and the father are not suitable to be carers and would be beneficial for the children if they were adopted out into loving and caring family homes. If this had happened in the west, those kids would have been taken away by social services and placed into care.

 

Very tragic all round, and the future for those surviving children is not looking bright.

Indeed. Perhaps a trust fund should be set up and both parents agree for the trustees to decide what is best for the children and have the court rubber stamp it. It's a kind of Solomon moment in which if they really want what is best for the children then they will agree. 

[BigC]

He should pay money directly to

schools and any other payments direct to the privider

 

the rest in a child’s bank account with one benifencery to sign for the children

 

i had problems with my ex in UK she demanded money and she was spending it on booze and cigarettes 

 

Saying that there is only so much one can do

 

if buy a car for transporting children for the mother to drive then put in someone else’s name even a foreigner 

 

give a small allowance to th mother to

stop her walking out all together 

 

by the looks of t she shall be psyhoning  money any way she can if  these allocations are true 

 

of coarse there are 2 sides to every story so don’t want tk be too quick to

judge 

 

maybe even get a contract drawn up with a lawyer before parting with funds

 

specially to keep the donators happy 

[Nip]

Maybe the best solution is to set up a trust fund for the children and both parents agree for the trustees to decide what is best for the children and have the court rubber stamp it. It's a kind of Solomon moment in which if they really want what is best for the children then they will agree. 

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, CLW said:

11 year old needs new I Phone. That are priorities...

Lol... the female wants an iPhone... the boys want school books.

[ThaiFelix]

32 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Yeah right and u believe that nonsense hotel job?? usually drugs users have other ways at night time for how to score dope money.

its obvious that the Thai mother is a drug addict and prostitute thats the exact reason why Thai court ruled that the children need to live with their father.

if that mom was so innocent and perfect hard honest working why the judge ruled against her?

First off I have to say that I dont think I have met Marcy (the father) however due to working and living in the same area (Minburi) we have a lot of mutual friends.  Good friends that have supported him through this whole ordeal.  According to those friends, Marcy was granted custody of the kids due to the fact that the mother (Joy) [and thats an oxymoron] was in jail for using yaa ba.  When she got out Marcy allowed her to have access to the kids on weekends etc.  At one time she wanted to take them for a holiday, which he granted.  However during this "holiday" she actually moved house so he couldnt find the kids.  That was like 4 years ago and during that time he has been looking for them and seeking court help to get them back.  Not long before the "accident" he located them but she and the grandparents played some twisted game of one minute refusing money for them and then wanting more money if he wanted to see them.

 

Even during the terribly painful first days the kids were in hospital she still refused to let him see his kids unless he gave her money and also paid all the hospital bills.  For some reason it seems the hospital supported her refusal to his access.  However I was also told the the police too were denying his access??  Possibly the cops did not want the children influenced before they could question them.  However, if that is the case, why too was the mother not denied access?

 

As far as Joy being a prostitute or not, no-one has said either way.  However there seems to be some questions regarding her whereabouts at the time of the incident and for some time afterwards.

 

If anybody is seriously interested in the father's plight, wants more info, or wishes to make a donation (for the kids) there is a Facebook page called "Borel Kids" which has been set up by Marcy's friends in support of him.  Thanks.

[happy chappie]

2 hours ago, CLW said:

11 year old needs new I Phone. That are priorities...

Normally I would be with you on this one but under the circumstances it might help her forget about the ordeal he has been and still going through.an iPhone 5 are cheap enough.

Edited May 14, 2018 by happy chappie
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[ThaiFelix]

Latest from Facebook is that Joy, the mother, needs time out from grieving so is going to a Carabou concert to party (while Chanida [7] is still on life support)?????

[MyFriend You]

19 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

You would think in this day and age, the funds could be paid into the hospital for the kids by those seeking to make donations, the kids getting private rooms and possibly best care possible in a private hospital if required, anything left over could go to charity, screw the parents and their money hungry lawyers for all I care, regardless of drug addictions, he said, she said, they are both guilty because the ending of relationships should not be about using kids as porn's, courts and lawyers should wake up and make it law that when parents split its 50/50 custody unless one parent forfeits his/her rights. 

 

But then again its a money making business, isn't it, over and out ! 

Married a hooker??  What does he expect, they are hookers, not Mother Theresa, its all about $$$, nothing else - maybe 3 in a hundred are keepers.......