China to Australia: Remove 'coloured glasses' to get ties back on track

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China to Australia: Remove 'coloured glasses' to get ties back on track

 

Australia's Foreign Minister Julie Bishop talks to her counterpart of China, Wang Yi, as Germany's Foreign Minister Heiko Maas watches as they gather to pose for an official photo at the G20 Meeting of Foreign Affairs Ministers in Buenos Aires, Argentina, May 21, 2018. REUTERS/Marcos Brindicci

 

BEIJING/SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia should remove its "coloured glasses" to get relations back on track with major trading partner China, the Chinese government's top diplomat Wang Yi has told his Australian counterpart on the sidelines of a G20 meeting in Argentina.

 

Relations between the two countries have cooled since late 2017 when Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's government proposed a bill to limit foreign influence in Australia, including political donations. Beijing saw the move as "anti-China".

 

The diplomatic rift spilled into the trade arena last week when a major Australian wine maker said it was facing new Chinese customs delays, raising fears among other Australian exporters that depend on access to China.

 

Wang told Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop on Monday some difficulties had affected contact and cooperation between the two countries, China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement on its website on Tuesday.

 

The pair met on the sidelines of the G20 Foreign Ministers' Meeting in Buenos Aires.

 

"What I want to emphasise is, if the Australian side wishes the bilateral relationship to return to the right track and realise sustained healthy development, then it must abandon traditional thinking and take off its coloured glasses," Wang was quoted as saying in the statement.

Wang said he had noted an improvement in tone from Bishop and the Australian government.

 

In an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corp. on Tuesday, Bishop said she had a "very warm and candid and constructive discussion" with Wang.

 

"While we stand up for our values and our interests and our policies and we can disagree with friends from time-to-time, most certainly the relationship is strong and we discussed ways on how we could cooperate further," she said.

 

A visit to Shanghai last week by Australian Trade Minister Steven Ciobo was seen as a bid to mend a relationship that included A$170 billion ($128 billion)in two-way trade last year.

 

But Ciobo's visit was overshadowed by delays at Chinese customs that held up exports by Australia's Treasury Wine Estates Ltd.

 

An Australian source familiar with the meeting between Bishop and Wang said it had focused on regional security and trade, and the Treasury Wine issue was not specifically discussed.

 

Several unidentified Australian business owners who operate in China told Fairfax Media on the weekend that Chinese authorities had been unfairly targeting Australian products with delays and extra scrutiny at customs and distribution.

 

Turnbull, who in December cited "disturbing reports about Chinese influence" and promised to stand up to Beijing, will travel to China later this year to smooth over bumpy diplomatic ties, Fairfax Media reported.

 

Wang, who is a state councillor as well as China's foreign minister, said on Monday China "never interferes with the internal politics of other countries, let alone carry out the so-called infiltration of other countries".

 

($1 = 1.3201 Australian dollars)

 

(Reporting by Philip Wen in BEIJING and Colin Packham in SYDNEY; Editing by Darren Schuettler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-05-22

[seajae]

in other words do as we say not as you want, china thinks they can do as they please, they really need to be told to stick it where the sun dont shine

[ezzra]

This minister should out on his glasses and look around everywhere in Australia before he talks rubbish, 

If Australia really had a " colored glasses on" there will not be many hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals buying the place up with cash they have absconded from China, jacking property prices up, while intranched in Australia's every walk of life now as million more are pouring in...

[car720]

Every coin has two sides.

Yes China is being one sided but so is Australia.

The problem has always been that Australia depends on selling the 'sheep's back' and has abandoned all serious manufacturing ergo jobs for its people and now relies heavily on  immigration for population growth and taxes.  Said taxes being the cause of the loss of manufacturing.  A serious  catch22 situation.

[BEVUP]

4 minutes ago, car720 said:

Every coin has two sides.

Yes China is being one sided but so is Australia.

The problem has always been that Australia depends on selling the 'sheep's back' and has abandoned all serious manufacturing ergo jobs for its people and now relies heavily on  immigration for population growth and taxes.  Said taxes being the cause of the loss of manufacturing.  A serious  catch22 situation.

So why do they need immigration for population growth if most manufacturing has gone overseas due to taxes & high energy costs

[watcharacters]

1 hour ago, seajae said:

in other words do as we say not as you want, china thinks they can do as they please, they really need to be told to stick it where the sun dont shine

 

 

Not many countries have the might and resources  to enforce that attitude towards China.

 

 

[watcharacters]

17 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

So why do they need immigration for population growth if most manufacturing has gone overseas due to taxes & high energy costs

 

Are  you saying  Australia is actively seeking immigration?

 

That's news to me.

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

 

Are  you saying  Australia is actively seeking immigration?

 

That's news to me.

Yes. Current annual immigrant planned intake is 186,515 p.a.

 

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/corporate/information/fact-sheets/20planning

[watcharacters]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Yes. Current annual immigrant planned intake is 186,515 p.a.

 

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/corporate/information/fact-sheets/20planning

 

"The Aussie  customs sure grills people at the airport."

 

[mfd101]

49 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

 

Are  you saying  Australia is actively seeking immigration?

 

That's news to me.

You haven't been watching the news for the last 30+ years?

 

Australia has a higher proportion of its population born overseas (some 30%) than any other 'Western' country. The suppliers are (in approx order) UK, China, India, NZ ... at a rate that has consistently been 150,000-200,000 every year since the 1990s. A great source of Oz prosperity and diversification of its economy.

 

The economy now is largely a service economy (61%), based on financial, health & education services. Mining is still large, at 7%. Agriculture is 2% of GDP, some 9% of exports.

Edited May 22, 2018 by mfd101

[BEVUP]

17 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

Are  you saying  Australia is actively seeking immigration?

 

That's news to me.

That quote has completely turned my post around.   They don't need immigration to increase taxes as the manufacturing industry (& others ) are a dying breed. 

There aren't enough jobs for Citizens ( let alone Residents & ect are able to fill prior to Citiz ).  Unemployment averaging 5% with the Gov wandering why 

 

[Brickbat]

6 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

That quote has completely turned my post around

They don't need immigration to increase taxes as the manufacturing industry (& others ) are a dying breed 

There aren't enough jobs for Citizens ( let alone Residents & ect are able to fill prior to Citiz )

Unemployment averaging 5% with the Gov wandering why 

 

Plenty of jobs for those with talent and smarts. But we have our fair share of whinghers and bludgers

[Justfine]

China "Please let us buy your assets and sell our poorly made junk into your country"

Aust "hmm need to think about it"

 

[AsiaHand]

3 hours ago, seajae said:

in other words do as we say not as you want, china thinks they can do as they please, they really need to be told to stick it where the sun dont shine

So China is saying "Do not interfere with our interfering in your politics". They are just trying to buy a few of your politicians.

[watcharacters]

1 hour ago, BEVUP said:

That quote has completely turned my post around

They don't need immigration to increase taxes as the manufacturing industry (& others ) are a dying breed 

There aren't enough jobs for Citizens ( let alone Residents & ect are able to fill prior to Citiz )

Unemployment averaging 5% with the Gov wandering why 

 

 

I turned nothing "around".

 

I simply asked a question which has bothered a few posters it seems.

 

[lionsincity]

3 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

Are  you saying  Australia is actively seeking immigration?

 

That's news to me.

 

They have to because else they get stuck with an aging population problem

[FitnessHealthTravel]

China needs to be pulled in for sure. They think they can buy their way to world dominance through owning infrastructure projects, bonds and shares.  The crazy purchasing of real estate has been pulled right back by Australia and rightly so.  Now they want to put a Navel base in the South pacific by offering  huge financial assistance to smaller Nations.  This of course will not fly with Australia, NZ and it's allies and rightly so.  China has had a good run under the Obama Administration that allowed it to suppress it's currency and cheat its way to wealth and power. It's going to hard for them to go backwards.  Coloured glasses, I think not.

[wonder6281]

Whatever the opinions of others on here mine is Bishop is an idiot. 

[holy cow cm]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

This minister should out on his glasses and look around everywhere in Australia before he talks rubbish, 

If Australia really had a " colored glasses on" there will not be many hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals buying the place up with cash they have absconded from China, jacking property prices up, while intranched in Australia's every walk of life now as million more are pouring in...

Same in the USA. Disgusting 

[BEVUP]

2 hours ago, wonder6281 said:

Whatever the opinions of others on here mine is Bishop is an idiot. 

+ 1 

Do you think asian or mediteranian countries are going to listen to her 

[Trouble]

Sounds like Australia has the same problem the US has had over the last decade or so.  Weak leadership afraid to stand up to China and who have been afraid to correct the trade imbalances and high tariffs placed on goods by the Chinese. Of course there is also the immigration issue allowing too much immigration too fast.  

[Redline]

14 hours ago, ezzra said:

This minister should out on his glasses and look around everywhere in Australia before he talks rubbish, 

If Australia really had a " colored glasses on" there will not be many hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals buying the place up with cash they have absconded from China, jacking property prices up, while intranched in Australia's every walk of life now as million more are pouring in...

It’s time to rein them in worldwide.  It’s become a security issue.  

[lannarebirth]

10 hours ago, lionsincity said:

 

They have to because else they get stuck with an aging population problem

 

Bit of a human Ponzi scheme, innit?

[mfd101]

Putting aside security issues, the Chinese make splendid migrants. They work hard, the are (generally) law-abiding (probably more than a large number of Aussies), and they get rich, and - in doing so - they make Australia richer. Just as they do in Thailand.

[Odysseus123]

13 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Putting aside security issues, the Chinese make splendid migrants. They work hard, the are (generally) law-abiding (probably more than a large number of Aussies), and they get rich, and - in doing so - they make Australia richer. Just as they do in Thailand.

Spot on.

 

I live in a rural town in NSW which has far too many Aussie bludgers living in it on pensions that they now consider to be a hereditary right.

 

The Chinese have certainly contributed to the economy as did the South Vietnamese after they settled in.

[simple1]

11 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Same in the USA. Disgusting 

The member to whom you responded is talking nonsense regards current situation in Australia

[simple1]

7 hours ago, Trouble said:

Sounds like Australia has the same problem the US has had over the last decade or so.  Weak leadership afraid to stand up to China and who have been afraid to correct the trade imbalances and high tariffs placed on goods by the Chinese. Of course there is also the immigration issue allowing too much immigration too fast.  

Australia now has a FTA with China which is rapidly reducing tariffs on Australian goods. China is a critical trade partner for Australia so it's essential to keep good diplomatic relations inplace.

 

Migration into Australia is managed by regional quota allocations, skills and so on, it has just been announced the migrant quota will be reduced. However, Chinese  are the largest number of foreign nationals flying in on a visa, then claiming asylum; Chinese asylum seekers are rarely mentioned in national media.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, BEVUP said:

So why do they need immigration for population growth if most manufacturing has gone overseas due to taxes & high energy costs

Perhaps they have an agenda?

[car720]

20 hours ago, BEVUP said:

So why do they need immigration for population growth if most manufacturing has gone overseas due to taxes & high energy costs

Because of a declining birth rate for one and because they cannot keep up with infrastructure costs without a population to tax to pay for it all.  Especially pollies wages.  

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, car720 said:

Because of a declining birth rate for one and because they cannot keep up with infrastructure costs without a population to tax to pay for it all.  Especially pollies wages.  

That is all out of date thinking. AI and automation is going to make the vast majority of the population unemployed. Immigration is the last thing they need now. The future is in reducing the population as fast as possible, to reduce the need to pay out vast sums on supporting the no longer employable.

I'm think voluntary euthanasia on demand and no longer paying people to have children along with free contraception and abortion on demand.

Australia just acquired 50,000 new unemployed after the car industry ceased to exist.