webfact Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Education reform to make officials accountable By CHULARAT SAENGPASSA THE NATION SCHOOLS TO BE AT THE HEART OF CHANGES PROPOSED BY PANEL PINNING accountability will be the key to the efforts of the Independent Committee for Education Reform (ICER) to overhaul Thailand’s educational sector. Created a year ago, the ICER has only a two-year term. This means it will have to push the pace next year to ensure that it has solidly paved the way for education reforms to materialise. Among the many elements the ICER seeks to introduce is “accountability”. Dr Charas “Thailand has fallen into an educational crisis because of indifference and the lack of contributions from concerned parties. They sometimes take educational matters for granted. They do not really show or take responsibility,” ICER chairman Dr Charas Suwanwela said recently. Dr Chalermchai Boonyaleepun, who chairs the ICER subcommittee on structural reform, said he would propose to the government that agencies in charge of educational management be made accountable if education was of poor quality. “We will redesign the structure to make it clear who is responsible for what. Then, if any problem occurs, the agency in charge of that part will be liable for the consequences,” he said. Both Charas and Chalermchai were speaking at a press conference on the ICER’s work during its first year. Earlier this year, the Equitable Education Fund came into effect. The Early Childhood Development Bill, the National Higher Education Bill, and the Innovative Education Area Bill, meanwhile, have already reached the government. The draft bill on the Curriculum Development Institute (Public Organisation) is now ready for submission to the Cabinet. “Schools will be at the heart of the education reform, as we aim to boost their competitiveness in the international arena,” Charas said. “We can support schools with curriculum, digital platforms and other requirements.” He said great schools would make a good impact on teachers and students. Charas believed that for the education reform to be successful, schools should become autonomous. “Those overseeing schools should play just a supporting role,” he said. He believed that when many schools grouped together, innovative education would materialise. According to Chalermchai, about 3,000 Pracha Rath schools and 40 Rath Ruam Pattana schools should be ready to transform themselves into autonomous schools during the pilot phase of the move to give autonomy to schools across the country. Chalermchai also emphasised that the Education Ministry should undergo structural overhaul to become lean. “Today, the Education Ministry is very big. Its workforce is even bigger than that of the Armed and police forces combined,” he said. “And, the Education Ministry also receives a bigger budget.” He recommended a review of all independent agencies and all agencies under the Education Ministry to curb redundancy. Kraiyos Patrawart, who sits on the Equitable Education Fund’s board, said the scope of the fund’s responsibility would not overlap that of other agencies. “We will work in coordination with relevant agencies,” he said. Kraiyos supported the Innovative Education Area Bill, as he believed it would enhance integration and collaboration of all sectors in regard to education. Charas said Rayong and Si Sa Ket provinces would be among the first provinces to get the innovative education areas. “We will develop such an area in Rayong first because it has a variety of industries. It has special needs,” Charas said. As for Si Sa Ket, he said an innovative education area would be developed there to become a model. “Si Sa Ket has poverty problems. But we will prove that it too can have innovative education,” Charas said. He expected innovative education areas to spring up in a few areas before the start of the second semester of the 2018 academic year. According to Charas, when relevant parties can provide good schools in all provinces of Thailand, “tea-money problems” in the educational sector will automatically end. It is widely known that some parents have tried to offer “tea money” to Thailand’s top schools in a bid to have their children enrolled there. Yuvadee Nakapadungrat, who chairs the ICER subcommittee on providing educational services, said the Curriculum Development Institute would play a key role in many aspects of education. “The curriculum should be improved to tackle illiteracy among some students, with the help of some new tools,” she said. “Also, we have to prepare a curriculum that can ensure even those with special needs can access quality education.” She added that guidelines would also be developed to boost integration of relevant agencies such as the Office of Basic Education Commission and the Institute for the Promotion of Teaching Science and Technology in curriculum development. “Moreover, we will provide digital platforms whereby teachers can find knowledge and teaching resources,” Yavadee said with a bright hope of better education for Thais. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30346892 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-06-04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Samui Bodoh Posted June 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2018 Hmm... the article does say some of the correct things; what is not clear is whether this is yet another committee reporting or whether there is a possibility of actual change. Given the history, change will not occur unless there is massive political support for change and I don't see that occurring at the moment. "...Chalermchai also emphasized that the Education Ministry should undergo structural overhaul to become lean. “Today, the Education Ministry is very big. Its workforce is even bigger than that of the Armed and police forces combined,” he said. “And, the Education Ministry also receives a bigger budget....” A structural overhaul to become lean? Again, this is way more than simply a need, this is an absolute requirement and this a minimum requirement. However, I have to return to the question above; is there the political will and the determination to change the Ministry? To start tossing MANY people out in the street? To destroy bureaucratic empires that have lived for years and/or decades? To fight over every last Baht in order to ensure that it makes its way down to the student level? Thailand's Education Ministry is a greater threat to the country than just about anything else, up to and including the current Junta itself (members who know my views on the Junta may be gasping in disbelief). Every indication that I see regarding the future states that countries are going to need an educated, adaptable, and flexible workforce in order to thrive into the future, and Thailand does not have one. Will these changes deliver that workforce in the future? It is a good start (if properly enacted), but only a start; Thailand needs a revolution in its educational field, and I don't see one brewing yet. I have told this story a few times on TVF, but it is worth hearing again; A few years back I saw a TV interview with the late Lee Kwan Yew (spelling). Mr Lee was asked if he feared for Singapore's future in relation to her larger and more resource-rich neighbours. Mr Lee smiled, looked right into the camera and said "What are their Education systems like?" That summed it all up. Thailand; reform your Education Ministry/System or suffer the terrible consequences! 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Get Real Posted June 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2018 26 grown up presumably educated people doing thumbs up in a picture, so that people really think they are doing something important. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cornishcarlos Posted June 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2018 Just now, Get Real said: 26 grown up presumably educated people doing thumbs up in a picture, so that people really think they are doing something important. They're about to all turn right and stick said thumb, up neighbors butt... Carry on as usual !! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post car720 Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 The joke of the century. Trying to hold these people accountable or responsible is like trying to hold your wife accountable or responsible. A fantasy at best. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, car720 said: The joke of the century. Trying to hold these people accountable or responsible is like trying to hold your wife accountable or responsible. A fantasy at best. Yeah, that definately doesn´t sound like something that would be possible to accomplish. Headline: "Relationship reform to make your wife accountable" Edited June 4, 2018 by Get Real 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anak Nakal Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Good words. Can do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eligius Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Anak Nakal said: Good words. Can do? Answer: No - cannot do. Or rather: do not WANT to do (for the junta, it is better to keep the masses stupid and ignorant and easily manipulable by idiotic propaganda and ludicrous soap operas!). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cadbury Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 hours ago, webfact said: "They do not really show or take responsibility" Taking responsibility is not one of Thai people's strongest personal characteristics. Another "reform" gabfest going nowhere. At least I hope they all enjoyed the seafood buffet lunches. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artisi Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 Larger than the armed forces and police combined with a higher budget, yep - I can see now how the education hierarchy will allow their fiefdom to be dismantled into an efficient and accountable operation. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jingjai9 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Nothing will change as long as the current classroom culture prevails - copying is permitting and even encouraged, passive learning, lack of focus, cultural activities preempt academics resulting in classes being cancelled or shortened or classes interrupted by administrators with regularity. I am a teacher and parent of a school- age child. Thailand has no more or fewer problems than western countries. The aforementioned are specific to Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Krataiboy Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 An 18-year-old boy from Syria has just landed a scholarship to Cambridge University. He did so with little formal schooling in a country torn by apart by civil war, mainly by using his smartphone access the information he needed to pass exams. There's a moral there somewhere for the bureacrat-bloated, woefully inefficient and unaccountable behemoth of the Thai state education system and its equivalents across the world. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 education in Thailand does not end at 3pm... set up a ''home program''and take the time and teach your children...do not trust these bozo's with your childs future...except for that woman .bottom row far right..she looks like a real keener.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 After all is said and done...more will be said than done, it's the Thai way to 'Return Happiness to the People' don't ya know ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) "...if any problem occurs, the agency in charge of that part will be liable for the consequences..." And nothing will be done to any individual, in order that no one loses face. As with every other government entity, not much liability for incompetency. Edited June 4, 2018 by jaltsc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantSpell Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: To fight over every last Baht in order to ensure that it makes its way down to the student level? Definitely yes for the first part of the sentence... For the 2nd part: what was the question again?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 bankaccountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KiwiKiwi Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 Am I the only one who yawned while reading this? Yet another committee to look at why things i Thai education are so poor and so mismanaged. Yet another report which will be completely ignored. Yet another threat to make people accountable, which we all know just isn't going to happen. Waste of energy reading it really, In a year, the report will be lining the bottom of someone's bird cage, receiving all the attention it truly deserves. Yada Yada Yada. Yet more people running round in circles like headless chickens, dreaming up some grand plan which will never be enacted. I hope they all got paid well. If Thais can't stop themselves from thieving, they certainly can't start teaching properly, so the end result of all this effort will be the same as was the case in countless earlier exercises. Nothing, zip, nada. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eligius Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said: Am I the only one who yawned while reading this? Yet another committee to look at why things i Thai education are so poor and so mismanaged. Yet another report which will be completely ignored. Yet another threat to make people accountable, which we all know just isn't going to happen. Waste of energy reading it really, In a year, the report will be lining the bottom of someone's bird cage, receiving all the attention it truly deserves. Yada Yada Yada. Yet more people running round in circles like headless chickens, dreaming up some grand plan which will never be enacted. I hope they all got paid well. If Thais can't stop themselves from thieving, they certainly can't start teaching properly, so the end result of all this effort will be the same as was the case in countless earlier exercises. Nothing, zip, nada. Right, KiwiKiwi. It is all hot air - as always. Talk, talk, talk - empty phrases, re-hashed buzzwords, pious grandstanding - and actually DOING NOTHING. Why? Because the powers who control this land do not want the proles to be properly educated. Imagine if most of them could read English: what truths they would discover about their Masters. They could read all about history, and geography (e.g. Germany, and who loves to spend time there), and on and on - masses of revelations about their own nation and the people who run it. Better to keep the masses dumbed down with silly soap operas, total ignorance of the world (and world languages) and spun around with antiquated costumes and utterly unenlightened concepts. Edited June 4, 2018 by Eligius 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Eligius said: Right, KiwiKiwi. It is all hot air - as always. Talk, talk, talk - empty phrases, re-hashed buzzwords, pious grandstanding - and actually DOING NOTHING. Why? Because the powers who control this land do not want the proles to be properly educated. Imagine if most of them could read English: what truths they would discover about their Masters. They could read all about history, and geography (e.g. Germany, and who loves to spend time there), and on and on - masses of revelations about their own nation and the people who run it. Better to keep the masses dumbed down with silly soap operas, total ignorance of the world (and world languages) and spun around with antiquated costumes and utterly unenlightened concepts. Yes, of course, you're absolutely right, and I've written as much in these same hallowed columns. I can't imagine what I was doing trying to apply common sense to these louts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted June 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2018 12 hours ago, webfact said: Today, the Education Ministry is very big. Its workforce is even bigger than that of the Armed and police forces combined,” he said. Bloated is the right word. Even has a workforce larger than China Education Ministry who serve 1.4 billion. Some serious down sizing and re-structuring are needed and are way overdue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Bloated is the right word. Even has a workforce larger than China Education Ministry who serve 1.4 billion. Some serious down sizing and re-structuring are needed and are way overdue. Yet still the classes contain forty or more pupils! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 13 hours ago, webfact said: According to Charas, when relevant parties can provide good schools in all provinces of Thailand, “tea-money problems” in the educational sector will automatically end. It is widely known that some parents have tried to offer “tea money” to Thailand’s top schools in a bid to have their children enrolled there. In a bid! It is the only way. My daughter has just started in M1. Although quite satisfied with the fee paying RC school she was at, I looked at the two prestigious government secondary schools. Well resourced, well equipped, plenty of foreign teachers, large classes (35+) and it was made quite clear that north of 30 K would be needed to get her in. That was before all the extras for English programs and so on. She is staying where she is, where she is happy, the classes are around 30, and the fees are ThB8 K a semester. A friend of mine has a brother who is the principal of a secondary school. She tells me that he reckons that the first month of the me academic year is worth ThB 180 K to him... Untill this is stopped (it won't be of course) government education is going nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, madmitch said: Yet still the classes contain forty or more pupils! That's because the balance is wrong, it's top-heavy. waaay too many managers and not enough teachers, or anything like it. The results in terms of how many Thais cannot speak Thai properly (65%), and the numbers failing core supjects (50% of Thai students fail ALL subjects) show that the department as a whole is incompetent. There is no just other conclusion availabe to us if we have an IQ larger than our front doors. But, this is Thailand, and nobody can reasonably be surprised. Incompetence is about the only thing Thais are good at, and they really are excellent at incompetence. Does the PM do anything about it? Nope. He is also incompetent and I have real doubts about his IQ being higher than that of my front door. Still, more grist to the mill and an election coming up where the majority of Thais voting are also incompetent, under-educated, under-skilled and so on. The prospects for Thailand after a military government has failed for 4 years to deliver a single objective they claimed mendaciously to have justified their seizing of power. Every single objective: FAIL. It really is the blind leading the stupid in this place. Edited June 4, 2018 by KiwiKiwi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post graemeaylward Posted June 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2018 Teachers are hardly mentioned in this article/report, and yet they are the ones who really control what is taught in schools! Rote learning requires no teaching skills therefore teachers have an easy ride! Many new teachers have tried to introduce critical thinking and interactive skills into their teaching, only to be lambasted by their older, lazy colleagues with entrenched ideas. Teachers also need to be held accountable! Millions of years ago, Thailand was awash with dinosaurs. It appears it still is!Sent from my X98 Plus II (C2D6) using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminomadic Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 [circus music playing] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminomadic Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 But honestly, it doesn't have to be circus music playing. I really wonder if the fact that our host culture is NOT a reading culture flat-out precludes the possibility of real progress in education/knowledge dev/learning, whether in test scores or analytical/problem-solving skills.. and whether the simple fact that your average Thai residence has an average of maybe 1 book in it doesn't render all education reform, top-down or grassroots, shuffling deck chairs around on the Titanic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, seminomadic said: But honestly, it doesn't have to be circus music playing. I really wonder if the fact that our host culture is NOT a reading culture flat-out precludes the possibility of real progress in education/knowledge dev/learning, whether in test scores or analytical/problem-solving skills.. and whether the simple fact that your average Thai residence has an average of maybe 1 book in it doesn't render all education reform, top-down or grassroots, shuffling deck chairs around on the Titanic. The sad truth is that the Thai culture is a culture that generally does not sincerely value education (unlike, say, the Chinese or the Indian cultures). Anything that involves a lot of effort (and studying and getting higher education does - or should do) is too much bother for the generality of Thais. That is my impression, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, Eligius said: The sad truth is that the Thai culture is a culture that generally does not sincerely value education (unlike, say, the Chinese or the Indian cultures). Anything that involves a lot of effort (and studying and getting higher education does - or should do) is too much bother for the generality of Thais. That is my impression, anyway. yes and no, seems to me the better educated the parents the more effort put into their kids , although this might be a bit of a generalisation as I know and see many other parents who don't have a good education endeavouring to get a better education for their kids - however, unfortunately most parents don't have the back-ground to drive their kids forward and put all their faith in the school, also many others just don't have the resources for any extra tutoring after school even if they can see the benefits. It's sad actually as most Thai kids are fairly bright but badly let down by a flawed education system 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 15 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said: That's because the balance is wrong, it's top-heavy. waaay too many managers and not enough teachers, or anything like it. The results in terms of how many Thais cannot speak Thai properly (65%), and the numbers failing core supjects (50% of Thai students fail ALL subjects) show that the department as a whole is incompetent. There is no just other conclusion availabe to us if we have an IQ larger than our front doors. But, this is Thailand, and nobody can reasonably be surprised. Incompetence is about the only thing Thais are good at, and they really are excellent at incompetence. Does the PM do anything about it? Nope. He is also incompetent and I have real doubts about his IQ being higher than that of my front door. Still, more grist to the mill and an election coming up where the majority of Thais voting are also incompetent, under-educated, under-skilled and so on. The prospects for Thailand after a military government has failed for 4 years to deliver a single objective they claimed mendaciously to have justified their seizing of power. Every single objective: FAIL. It really is the blind leading the stupid in this place. Harsh - but true , although I see change, a slow change taking place over the 17 years I been here, the first half involved in education and the rest close to education - with all the old "useless" under educated teachers slowly turning up their toes and changes being made and implemented in teaching - in time things will improve. I might add that the western world isn't fairing all that well when it comes to educating their kids either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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