Baerboxer Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, tropo said: Would you expect "suspicious deaths, disappearances and extrajudicial killings" to be reported in the daily news? Sometimes. There have been cases, including being reported on TVF, over the years. Victims of the war on drugs, the odd murder of the pyramid fraud guy who was the only witness in the Four Season's scandal, plus the ones JAG mentions. There are other older cases like the Muslim HR lawyer whose wife is still campaigning for justice, or the Saudi Jewels theft and related murders. Why, are you suggesting many don't get reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted June 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Sheryl said: The headline is misleading. Germany has nto declined the extradition request. they have declined the request to hand over the suspect without first going through normal legal processes, given that he has requested asylum. A determination on extradition has not yet been made and will take some time. Indeed. Germany doesn't have an extradition treaty with Thailand and there is nothing in the report to suggest appropriate procedures have been followed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Confuscious Posted June 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2018 “The German authorities wanted time to examine the case. Normally that takes about two months. Thai authorities have asked them to complete it within three days,” Prawit said. The Thai authorities (Police) needed 4 YEARS to translate 1 page into English for Interpol on the Red Bull case and now they are telling Germany to finish a task which normally takes 2 months in 3 days?????????? Why do Thai authorities look every day dumber to me????? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrunner Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 How embarrassing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Indeed. Germany doesn't have an extradition treaty with Thailand and there is nothing in the report to suggest appropriate procedures have been followed. Problem is mate here they are so used to doing what they want without following correct procedure, they think police everywhere are the same as them (law unto themselves ) and have got a rude awakening when the German authorities have insisted things get done properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 "The German authorities wanted time to examine the case. Normally that takes about two months. Thai authorities have asked them to complete it within three days,” Prawit said." Oh...you mean, like you do it in Thailand? Find a dead body- arrange the scene of the crime, in a way it fits your narrative- find 2 Burmese scapegoats- fiddle with the evidence - loose some evidence- hand out a prison sentence? Here is some news for you: this is not, how things are handled in countries, that actually have laws and follow them! Take a number and waaaaaaaait! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, Confuscious said: “The German authorities wanted time to examine the case. Normally that takes about two months. Thai authorities have asked them to complete it within three days,” Prawit said. The Thai authorities (Police) needed 4 YEARS to translate 1 page into English for Interpol on the Red Bull case and now they are telling Germany to finish a task which normally takes 2 months in 3 days?????????? Why do Thai authorities look every day dumber to me????? Oooooh they can do in Thailand! Making a conclusive DNA- test here only takes a few hours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 50 minutes ago, Artisi said: I was being facetious ? Fair enough, and I bit. Rough day at school today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Why, are you suggesting many don't get reported? Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darcula Posted June 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2018 54 minutes ago, Sheryl said: The headline is misleading. Germany has nto declined the extradition request. they have declined the request to hand over the suspect without first going through normal legal processes, given that he has requested asylum. A determination on extradition has not yet been made and will take some time. Safe to say that the "but-but we have return ticket alleady" gambit did not work. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) My guess is that they had some leverage over the monk to arm-twist into coming back voluntarily. But the monk declined to meet them. There was no negotiation. So the attempt failed. Even Prawit would not have been ignorant enough to think he could ride roughshod over a developed country's legal system. Seems like they want him back really badly, all those senior figures flying to Germany. I wonder why they really want him back. Edited June 6, 2018 by Briggsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Briggsy said: My guess is that they had some leverage over the monk to arm-twist into coming back voluntarily. But the monk declined to meet them. There was no negotiation. So the attempt failed. Even Prawit would not have been ignorant enough to think he could ride roughshod over a developed country's legal system. Seems like they want him back really badly, all those senior figures flying to Germany. I wonder why they really want him back. on whose orders was he disrobed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the guest Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Thai request of wanting a so-called fugitive has no value in Europe, if the people running the show are also suspected of certain crimes against the country. Perhaps if Thailand starts enforcing the law to ALL citizens, they might take the country a bit more seriously, than selective prosecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 14 hours ago, Chang_paarp said: These folk have no idea how a proper legal system with the ability to appeal a judgement actually works. I like that the Thai mob asked for the process to be accelerated to 3 day after being informed that reality is closer to 2 months. Then they expect the German authorities to comply to their request complete with ministerial announcements. These actions will only be used as supporting material for the asylum application. This bloke will still be in Germany when the election happens. Maybe their tactics have worked against them. Their heavy-handed approach smacks of Junta protocol. i.e. take everything by force. The Germans may not appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 5 hours ago, DM07 said: Oooooh they can do in Thailand! Making a conclusive DNA- test here only takes a few hours.... That's so long as you don't lose it, use it all in one go, or really analyse it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Indeed. Germany doesn't have an extradition treaty with Thailand and there is nothing in the report to suggest appropriate procedures have been followed. As far as Thailand is concerned, appropriate procedure is, " we want him back now - right now - we are Thai junta and you will do as we say" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Turn a two month process into a three day process. A perfectly reasonable request. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 More importantly What about the watches Whos watches are they 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 “The German authorities wanted time to examine the case. Normally that takes about two months. Thai authorities have asked them to complete it within three days,” Prawit said. I'm speechless. "Thai authorities have asked them?" They kicked out some high-quality BKA forensic teams who were helping to identify the dead bodies after the tsunami for not having a work permit, etc. Media reported that the monk had sought asylum in Germany, but to General Prawit, who is also defence minister with oversight of the police force, said an initial investigation found he had yet to submit his application. Even when I don't appreciate Miss Merkel, Germany is not a country ruled by a military junta that uses an article to bypass human rights. Fragg off, guys. Anybody can ask for Asylum at the Frankfurt airport. Who'd believe Mr. Watch? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merijn Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Doesn't matter anymore as the first person of the Thai delegation already returned back to Thailand with his tail between his legs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Germany will require much evidence before releasing someone on their soil to a government such as this. Respect, competence and tact would help speed the process, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 18 hours ago, realenglish1 said: More importantly What about the watches Whos watches are they The watches are stolen because they were paid by taxpayers like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 The watches are stolen because they were paid by taxpayers like me. I pay 7% vat on everything can I claim a share too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 4:34 PM, Baerboxer said: How many cases since 2014 can you name? The problem is that the cases can't be discussed fully or openly. But you may remember a prominent astrologer dying of a blood infection in a Thai prison and at around the same an associate of his committing suicide by hanging himself with his socks attached to the bars of his cell. Another associate of theirs apparently dived out of a tall building 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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