Baby With Bad Wind!

[mearkat75]

i have a 4 week old daughter here in thailand,she is being bottle fed,she has very bad wind,can anyone help!

also whats a good tempurature for the baby to be in,im from the uk so its hot for me,but my boyf is thai so he thinks the kid is cold all the time.

thankyou

[jbowman1993]

In the latest addition of Dr. Spock, and the book published by the American Association of Pediactric Doctors, both suggest that most parents put two many clothes on their babies. Babies are born with the ability to regulate their temperature. Dress them they way you dress, and they will be just fine. Don't think that cold hands or feet mean the baby is cold. Its natural for babies to have them. Instead, look at their face. if you loose color in their face, they might be too cold.

As far as gas...all babies have it, don' t worry so much, lol. Or, consult a doctor, not the jokers on this website....lol

[Pink Mist]

good point bowman, it's a subject that will draw the clowns, go to the doc if you arn't sure

[Shola]

In the latest addition of Dr. Spock, and the book published by the American Association of Pediactric Doctors, both suggest that most parents put two many clothes on their babies. Babies are born with the ability to regulate their temperature. Dress them they way you dress, and they will be just fine. Don't think that cold hands or feet mean the baby is cold. Its natural for babies to have them. Instead, look at their face. if you loose color in their face, they might be too cold.

As far as gas...all babies have it, don' t worry so much, lol. Or, consult a doctor, not the jokers on this website....lol

Erm uh uh Mr Bowman, babies are NOT able to regulate thier own temperature or have limited ability to do so, an overheated or cold baby will make a terrible fuss, I had a friend who told me they took thier baby into the emergency room becuase of non stop crying, turned out the baby had cold feet.

I'm preggers so I've been reading about this stuff lately.

To the OP I would defo suggest consulting your pediatrictian.

[bina]

Dress them they way you dress,

new mothers are usually advised to dress their baby as they would plus one layer more (thin layer like under clothes) and small cap if winter or windy.

gas: check out the difffernt formulas , if no constipation then no problem. most newborns suffer from colic. it hits in evenings nights producing long long bouts of crying... if he is farting then he is not howling so stomach is dealing ok. most newborns until about 2-3 months have immature food digesting systems (unlike other mammals that breast feed and get bacteria from their mothers due to exposure to the feces etc while nursing -sniffing licking mom etc) .

there are natural things like making a mild non sweeted mint tea or fennel tea and give between bottles nottoo close to feeding time at slightly warm temperature...

lots of baby stuff for colic (wind)... but if not in pain, then let him fart. most babies fart when push legs up and back slightly, like when changing diaper, thats good.

bina

bina

[Goldenbead]

Try gripe water. Worked for all four of mine. It is available here and is great stuff. A mother's best friend.

[bina]

gripe water is the same as mint tea with camomile and fennel in it... there are several brands of already prepared stuff but be warned that they come presweetened.

[tutsiwarrior]

any connection between wind and bottle feeding? I noticed that with my son who was breast fed there were no wind associated problems but with an infant niece here in Thailand on formula she was all over the place with discomfort and extra nappy changes...

not that it matters much later on...just more hassle for the parents when they're little...

[bina]

yes:

some of it is from the fact that formulas are made with cows milk and have iron supplements added also; some is because there is more air and a bottle fed baby feeds differently then a breast fed baby. nursing frm a breast means no air swallowed. bottles/nipples like avent are supposed to prevent this but im not so sure they really help.

thats why i said to try different formulas. each formula has different stuff in it; in general though, they are still based on cow milk which is more difficult than mother milk for a newborn's digestive tract to handle. newborns digestive tract are not fully developed so some have harder time than others dealing with different things.

as baby gets older, the digestive tract matures so should be less problem, although the feces of a breast fed baby are very different than those of a formula baby. also, a bottle fed baby from mothers milk could conceivably have more of a problem still due to swalling air from the bottle.

but then again, some mothers claim that depending on what they ate before breasting their baby, their baby had gas also. (goats dont get cabbage two hours before milking time or their milk smells and tastes lilke cabbage!).

boy, the nurse in our baby house would be proud of me paying attention all those years ago to her lectures to new mothers...

i get maternal like every year with the baby goats being born, and i have two on bottles (avent is great for baby goats , the nipple is ergonmic for a goat tongue, just the right firmness and size, its the yuppie version of bottles here (and expensive)so i guess my goats got class.! they also get mother goat milk cause the goat formula for them also causes gas and constipation!!! just like our little 'uns... as i get maudlin...)

tutsi. did you notice that as babies, we are in diapers and fart and are toothless, and as we become old, we revert to diapers and fart and toothless... (my husband's buddhist comment about the cycle of life here)

[tutsiwarrior]

yes:

some of it is from the fact that formulas are made with cows milk and have iron supplements added also; some is because there is more air and a bottle fed baby feeds differently then a breast fed baby. nursing frm a breast means no air swallowed. bottles/nipples like avent are supposed to prevent this but im not so sure they really help.

thats why i said to try different formulas. each formula has different stuff in it; in general though, they are still based on cow milk which is more difficult than mother milk for a newborn's digestive tract to handle. newborns digestive tract are not fully developed so some have harder time than others dealing with different things.

as baby gets older, the digestive tract matures so should be less problem, although the feces of a breast fed baby are very different than those of a formula baby. also, a bottle fed baby from mothers milk could conceivably have more of a problem still due to swalling air from the bottle.

but then again, some mothers claim that depending on what they ate before breasting their baby, their baby had gas also. (goats dont get cabbage two hours before milking time or their milk smells and tastes lilke cabbage!).

boy, the nurse in our baby house would be proud of me paying attention all those years ago to her lectures to new mothers...

i get maternal like every year with the baby goats being born, and i have two on bottles (avent is great for baby goats , the nipple is ergonmic for a goat tongue, just the right firmness and size, its the yuppie version of bottles here (and expensive)so i guess my goats got class.! they also get mother goat milk cause the goat formula for them also causes gas and constipation!!! just like our little 'uns... as i get maudlin...)

tutsi. did you notice that as babies, we are in diapers and fart and are toothless, and as we become old, we revert to diapers and fart and toothless... (my husband's buddhist comment about the cycle of life here)

to quote a famous phrase/lyric 'I hope I die before I get old...' metaphorically speaking, ob course...

Edited January 31, 2007 by tutsiwarrior

[leisurely]

One thing to add to the temperature bit, if your baby's nose is cold, the baby is cold. that is what a paed told me when I had my first. They can't regulate their own temperature until they are around 6 months old.

[Tony Clifton]

Pythagoras believed that every time humans farted, a bit of their sould was escaping.

[tutsiwarrior]

One thing to add to the temperature bit, if your baby's nose is cold, the baby is cold. that is what a paed told me when I had my first. They can't regulate their own temperature until they are around 6 months old.

yeah...this is why ye keep 'em swaddled or in them baby-gro bunny jumpers for the first months...even in hot climates(gotta allow fer the A/C)...useta be a pain gettin' them in an' out ob dem bunny suits when it came to changin' nappies...

[jbowman1993]

In all due respect to you wise sages on this website. Im more inclined to believe the 1000's of doctors that make up the American Assc. of Pediatricians. Get the book and look it up for yourself. Called "Your Babies First Year". Or Dr. Spock. Don't have to take my word for it.

[chanchao]

> whats a good tempurature for the baby to be in

Ha! I researched this in depth when we had a baby. And you know what: It's one of those things that doctors of various backgrounds / cultures simply DONT agree on.

The situation is like this:

*ANY* Western baby / health website will say that a temperature of not over 20 degrees centigrade is best.

*ANY* Thai/Malay/etc doctor will say that warmer is better. 26 is good, 30 is better, etc.

*ANY* Thai Grandmother (your mother in law) WILL dress the kid up in wooly hats & gloves even though it's (*#$(*^ 34 degrees C / 100 degrees F outside.

But the actual answer, form personal experience, is: It doesn't matter much. Do make sure the baby is not so hot that it gets sweaty / uncomfortable. But also don't let it get obviously cold, ESPECIALLY no drafts or being in direct blast from fans or airconditioning.

Overall babies dont just drop dead based on temperature variation or other minor environmental issues. You'll be fine.

[bina]

that is why i said : a cold mother a cold child a hot mother a hot child. in our baby houses all the long years that i've had kids in baby houses *on kibbutz, run by a nursse and nannies that study and get certified for baby care* thats what they always say: i am cold therefore my baby wears more clothes until they reach the age when they can argue back or take off their coat. other mothers were always warmer and went with less clothes which made me feel like a polish mother wanting to run after the kid to put on a sweater.

for the joker that reccommends american pediatric: as i found out (baby refused to breast feed every four hours by the book, was awake more then usual, etc etc), most babies didnt read the baby books.

one note: up until 3 months, babies DO NOT REGULATE THEIR OWN TEMPERATURE so overheating or too cold CAN BE dangerous. but talking about extremes.

the well baby clinic nurses from where i come from say: 21 degrees OR if baby's hands and nose is cold. very cold. and if baby is very sweaty and red cheeks and fussy or apathetic, then too hot. and nowadays with all the worry about SID and the no blankets recommendations, then dressing properly is all more important. or ignore and go by your or the mother's feelings which for the most part are more or less ok. we always said: one layer of clothing plus an extra for the baby.

my israeli aunties freaked out when i dressed and swaddled my first new born and took her out in her buggy in 5 degree centigrade weather!!! . as if we were in siberia!!!!. i grew up with maryland winters. of course my mother took us outside. it put us too sleep faster too.

[MsFigure]

i have a 4 week old daughter here in thailand,she is being bottle fed,she has very bad wind,can anyone help!

also whats a good tempurature for the baby to be in,im from the uk so its hot for me,but my boyf is thai so he thinks the kid is cold all the time.

thankyou

In regards to the gas problem, if your daughter's only problem is passing wind all the time and showing no signs of discomfort/pain I wouldn't worry too much about it. If she is showing signs of discomfort, I suggest changing her formula (just as Brina has suggested). Depending on the formula and what you're mixing it with (water or milk), you could find the culprit is the lactose from cows milk which can cause a lot of probs for the little ones.

Just something to look consider.

GOOD LUCK

Edited February 4, 2007 by MsFigure

[phibunmike]

Sit up wind

(Sorry, couldn't resist it )

[ssparks111]

In the latest addition of Dr. Spock, and the book published by the American Association of Pediactric Doctors, both suggest that most parents put two many clothes on their babies. Babies are born with the ability to regulate their temperature. Dress them they way you dress, and they will be just fine. Don't think that cold hands or feet mean the baby is cold. Its natural for babies to have them. Instead, look at their face. if you loose color in their face, they might be too cold.

As far as gas...all babies have it, don' t worry so much, lol. Or, consult a doctor, not the jokers on this website....lol

Erm uh uh Mr Bowman, babies are NOT able to regulate thier own temperature or have limited ability to do so, an overheated or cold baby will make a terrible fuss, I had a friend who told me they took thier baby into the emergency room becuase of non stop crying, turned out the baby had cold feet.

I'm preggers so I've been reading about this stuff lately.

To the OP I would defo suggest consulting your pediatrictian.

Sorry, but you are full of crap! "I have a Friend" or "I've been doing a lot of reading..." means absolutely nothing to us that have been there and done that. Believe me, a baby will let you know when they are too warm or too cold. The cold hands or cold feet will frequently happen, just like jbowman said. Dress you baby in clothes similar to what you are wearing, and pay attention to your baby. Believe me, if they are overly uncomfortable, he or she will let you know.

[Jared]

I have a 3 month old baby myself and during his first 3 - 4 weeks he used to fart like a trooper, they were so loud that when i took him out and he let rip people would look at me in disgust thinking it was me, quite funny really. Hes mixed between bottle and breast feed and the farting stopped soon after. Now all he does is cry if anyone can let me know some good tips to stop babys crying and sleeping through the night I will love you forever.

[MsFigure]

I have a 3 month old baby myself and during his first 3 - 4 weeks he used to fart like a trooper, they were so loud that when i took him out and he let rip people would look at me in disgust thinking it was me, quite funny really. Hes mixed between bottle and breast feed and the farting stopped soon after. Now all he does is cry if anyone can let me know some good tips to stop babys crying and sleeping through the night I will love you forever.

Regardless of what doctors or books say, you DO NOT HAVE TO feed your baby on the "every 3 to 4 hours" routine. Babies cry for a reason... they are either hungry, need a nappy change or tired. All babies (at least during the first 6 months) are only eating, pooping or sleeping.

If your baby iss crying, first check he doesn't need a nappy change and if that is all clear - give him a breast or bottle. If they are not hungry they won't eat, simple as that and that is when you may have to consider things (like colic and other causes for discomfort). Sometimes it will seem that all they do is eating all the time and other times, all they do is sleep - this is they are going through a growth spurt. Babies WILL tell you what they want, it is up to the parents to learn "their" language until they are old enough to communicate as normal.

I did all this with my daughter, and from the very beginning she was so perfect - rarely cried, always smiled during those moments she was awake and she still sleeps through the night to this day. The only routine we were strictly stuck to was that she was in her "own" bed at 5.30pm (and this was every night - no ifs or buts) and if we heard her cry, it was only to feed her which included the very early morning feeds. After she was 3 months old, she moved into her own room, when she was wasn't waking up as often for those early feeds and more often than not was sleeping straight through till 5.30 which is the time my husband and I wake up.

This has worked a dream for us, and many of our friends and family who have tried this. All our children rarely cry (the uncontrollable unstoppable kind) and all sleep through the night.

Goodluck

[rcalsop]

[/b]me='bina' post='1119943' date='2007-02-04 01:39:11']that is why i said : a cold mother a cold child a hot mother a hot child. in our baby houses all the long years that i've had kids in baby houses *on kibbutz, run by a nursse and nannies that study and get certified for baby care* thats what they always say: i am cold therefore my baby wears more clothes until they reach the age when they can argue back or take off their coat. other mothers were always warmer and went with less clothes which made me feel like a polish mother wanting to run after the kid to put on a sweater.

for the joker that reccommends american pediatric: as i found out (baby refused to breast feed every four hours by the book, was awake more then usual, etc etc), most babies didnt read the baby books.

one note: up until 3 months, babies DO NOT REGULATE THEIR OWN TEMPERATURE so overheating or too cold CAN BE dangerous. but talking about extremes.

the well baby clinic nurses from where i come from say: 21 degrees OR if baby's hands and nose is cold. very cold. and if baby is very sweaty and red cheeks and fussy or apathetic, then too hot. and nowadays with all the worry about SID and the no blankets recommendations, then dressing properly is all more important. or ignore and go by your or the mother's feelings which for the most part are more or less ok. we always said: one layer of clothing plus an extra for the baby.

my israeli aunties freaked out when i dressed and swaddled my first new born and took her out in her buggy in 5 degree centigrade weather!!! . as if we were in siberia!!!!. i grew up with maryland winters. of course my mother took us outside. it put us too sleep faster too.

The quote system has beaten me so I look like the same post .

My experience was that each child will be different in what he or she finds comfortable ...my daughter demanded ,ie would not settle in a cold environment with A/C or fan ..whilst my son would not sleep in a warm room ...he still at 4 1/2 years old refuses covers sleeping on the bed and removing any pyjamas and with the A/C set at refridgeration temperatures ( he is now more than capable of checking and resetting the A/C . I have tried waiting untill he asleep and resetting the A/C but he always awakes and resets the control ...hide the controller and he will wake DAD to find it at 3:30 in the morning . Reference babies regulating temperature of their own bodies ...I always though that babies up to about 6 months had a sophisticated regulation system for cold environments and could unlike older children and adults re route their blood supply to internal organs specially along with some other specials from mother nature ....exactly like hibernating mammals . Any experts out there?

Edited February 5, 2007 by rcalsop

[chanchao]

> ow all he does is cry if anyone can let me know some good tips to stop babys

> crying and sleeping through the night I will love you forever.

I guess tips that involve duct tape are out of the question?

Anyway, if the baby sleeps in our bed then she sleeps through the night everytime. (Except when she's hungry then she wakes up like 4-5am, then we (well, her mum) feeds her and then she sleeps on until 8am or so. (Assuming she went to sleep around 8-9pm the last night)).

So don't try to force the baby to sleep too early (7:30pm, like my parents did with me), feed the baby milk before sleep, and make sure the baby feels at ease when waking up suddenly for any reason. Actually putting some of mum & dads clothes in her bed on either side of her also often works.. Just the smell is comforting I suppose.

Then during the day she usually sleeps for 1 hour at random times, or any time we put her in the car.

Cheers,

Chanchao

[bina]

rcalsop: up to three months, babies do not self regulate temperature, their digestive system is still fairly immature and things dont work the same as in older babies.

children feel temps different to us of course. i am a 'cold mother'. i am always cold. my son has gone to school for 16 yrs with short sleeve and sandals even in 3 degree jerusalem winter. i am wearing three layers and a hat. once a child can take off or put on their own clothes, they ususally feel when they are too hot or too cold in regular circumstances and choose accordingly.. some children however, dont. my third daughter ahs some cognitive problems and one of them was that even if she was too cold or too hot, she didnt change the circumstance (take off or put on clothes). i would ask her and then she would realize that she was cold/hot. her feeling sensations work fine it was just her translation of the feelings to action. as she got older, she improved. some kids just start younger.

btw, the 'rerouting' u are talking about is what causes frostbite. the body reroutes the blood circulation to internal organs and the external organs suffer for this.

all young mammals suffer frm temperature control problems. most baby mammals evn those that are born in winter and cold climates have some sort of external system (sleeping in a den, or as a pile of pups, or next to mom) as well as an internal system (nursing usually gives the calories to the baby)... therefore, my two bottle fed kids (goat kids) at three weeks still get four times a day bottles including one at 22:00!! , and infrared light heater in their stall as they have no mother to sleep next to. one more week and i will wean them from the heater at night as well.

and babies dying from heat stroke because they were left in a car even for a few minutes in the summer is not a rare thing in any country either.

bina

[Jared]

Im thinking that maybe he gets to much sleep in the day time and thats why he is struggling to sleep at night. Im pretty clued up on his crying and what he wants but sometimes he just doesnt stop, maybe its colic. After his first month when he started to cry more frequent we took him to see the doctor and as usual they were very unhelpful and just said he is over weight and were feeding him to much even though I believed he was being under feed. Hes normally up at 6, has a feed, at around 8 he sleeps until around 12. Then her family come round and wake him up...... hel_l have a couple more sleeps before 5-6 has his bed time shower and will fall asleep in his cot which is down stairs in his room. He will normally sleep until I go to bed and bring him with us at around midnight. He has a feed then. He usually wakes up 2 more times between then and 6 for either another feed of a nappie change. Do you think we should change his routine to help him sleep through the night as i seems to me he is sleepin to much in the day.

[bina]

opening up a can of worms so to speak:

depending on whom u ask, u will get a zillion answers

because he is bottle fed, it is possible that he is eating too much, as bottle fed babies eat (drink) more. a breast fed baby tends to self regulate more.

does this three month old get 'baby food'? like rice cereal in with his night time bottle? does he get any kind of cereal ? some countries start at this age, some dont. some start if they are bottle fed but not breast fed. some give the cereal at night to help the baby do a 6 hour stint at night.

some babies need more sleep, some, like mine were, never went by the book but didnt carry on and fuss much either. they just were awake and active babies.

if he is 'slightly overweight', maybe less bottle feedings and more play/awake time. this will help schedule him. double check with an other doctor for weight/growth.

some babies get a 1:00 a.m. feed and go for 6-8 hours sleep; others get an earlier feed and wake up at 5:00 . u CAN nudge his sleeping/eating/awake routine to the hours u want, but by slightly moving/extending hour of feeding, sleeping etc. its sort of stretching the hour a little longer each time to help him sleep at organized times (fi this is important to u), and the same for feeding. if he just ate recently and he isnt actually starving hungry, u can try to give a bottle of weak leaf tea (mint tea or camomile) to give him the sucking drinkning satisfaction but not the calories. then feed a little later.

these are all ways we use in the baby house in the kibbutz with new mothers but to each his own and to each culture his /her own way of baby raising. my (american) mother was very rigid with her suggestions to me, i seemed very laid back and 'go with the flow' compared to my sister (living in the states). our baby house nurse (ex swiss) was very very structured.

u might want to read up some on the net, and see what style works for u. mostly, babies survive most any method that involves food, sleep, safety security and love. the rest is sort of additional... and sort of try not to worry too much. if the baby is alert when he's awake, smiley, etc, then the sleeping is natural . being a baby is hard tiring work after all. new stuff every day. growing every day. if he is droopy floppy sleepy all the time, then u might consider getting a second opinioun from a pediatrician or developmental nurse (if there is such a thing in thailand).

good luck ad waiting for the other voices to start clamouring their theories.

[t.s]

couldn't be bothered to read the whole thing, but my kid, 70 breastmilk (when plentiful)/30 formula farted like demon and became constipated, often going 4 days without. the longer she went, the more she stank.

a formula change sorted everything out.