Will the world as we know it survive ?

[BritManToo]

6 hours ago, Nurseynutcase said:

Before anyone tries to point a finger at me 40 years ago I made the decision not to have any children and add to the planets problems.

Congratulations on your Darwin Award.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Congratulations on your Darwin Award.

Meto

 

I made the decission 35 years ago!

[Dumbastheycome]

4 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

Very true.

 

The two great wars of the 20thc (responsible for tens of millions of deaths) were not religious, as is the case with the Vietnam War. 

 

It's difficult, if not impossible, to think of a significant conflict in either the 18thc or 19thc that can be said to be religiously motivated.

 

Th truth is that religion only began to play a significant role in conflict with the advent of the Monotheistic "great" religions: initially the expansion of Islam (vs Christianity) and subsequently (after the Protestant "Revolution" of the 16thc) between opposing Christian sects/states.central Europe

 

No religious motivation in the great (militaristic) expansion of Rome.

 

None in the expansion of Greek power under Alexander or in the interstate conflicts in Greece itself.

 

None in the expansion of Persia, Egypt.......any of the great classical and ancient civilisations.

 

And that's just looking at the "Western-centric" version of history.

 

Where is the evidence in the growth, expansion and conflicts of Eastern classical civilisations?

 

Religion has traveled with the conquerors (and been a useful instrument) in many more instances than it has provided a motivation.

 

Your spread of motivations is a far more accurate way of looking at the history of military conflict.

 

The people who constantly trot out the myth of religion as the prime source of conflict are either ignorant or pushing their own atheistic agenda.......frequently both.

 

 

"The people who constantly trot out the myth of religion as the prime source of conflict are either ignorant or pushing their own atheistic agenda.......frequently both."

 

Any  more so than yourself in deflecting from  the "religious" aspect in enforcement of the aims of  conquerors?

There is  no  myth involved  with  the  Roman Empire where  Caesar was deemed to be  God.

Ancient  Greece calculated and  enforced a  multitude  of  cults and  religious rites as a  major  part  of authoratative  power and  social control.

No more  or  less than the Christian "Crusades" which were  principally raiding  missions for stolen  wealth  and  territory with  required allegiance to  the Vatican or death.

The  Persians  of  that Empire were  followers  of  Zoroaster but allowed   conquored  people to  retain their own  beliefs so long as  they  did  not rock the  boat. As did the  Romans.

Religion  is the  basis of popular  consensus in accordance with the aims of political  control historically. That  either  voluntarily  or  forceably. Which  is why declarations  of  aggression or  counter aggression  almost always  involve  some appeal of  justification by reference to  national  religious conformity.

Invariably  the "wisdom"  of the words  of  any  recognised  Prophet has  been   twisted,mangled, contorted to  suit  the aims  of  the empowered as a subversive method  to  ensure an  illusion of  ethical and  moral compliance to "laws" that socially  are not applied equally, ethically  or  morally. 

 

[SunsetT]

Climate Change will see the end of the human race, and as soon as the Earth has gotten rid of us she will make a fine recovery. The way we continue to abuse our beautiful planet; our only home, when we now know what is happening, then it is all that we deserve!

 

Id love to be around to see the day those greedy Corporate b a s t a r d s realise that they cannot eat their dollars.

[lvr181]

11 hours ago, TKDfella said:

Religious leaders however may not fear the consequences as they believe they are destined for something better already.

Just wish they (one group in particular) would get on with it and cull their numbers and their distorted teachings!  

[TKDfella]

8 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Just wish they (one group in particular) would get on with it and cull their numbers and their distorted teachings!  

"Religious leaders however may not fear the consequences as they believe they are destined for something better already."

@Ivr181 the above is not my quote from this thread. Did you 'quote' me but then copied and pasted over it?

[bert bloggs]

10 hours ago, SunsetT said:

Climate Change will see the end of the human race, and as soon as the Earth has gotten rid of us she will make a fine recovery. The way we continue to abuse our beautiful planet; our only home, when we now know what is happening, then it is all that we deserve!

 

Id love to be around to see the day those greedy Corporate b a s t a r d s realise that they cannot eat their dollars.

Its not man who will kill us with "climate change" but nature as it always has done ,the world changes constantly whether we are on it or not ,or was it animal farts that caused the last ice age , man made climate change is just a way to tax us more .

[lvr181]

56 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

"Religious leaders however may not fear the consequences as they believe they are destined for something better already."

@Ivr181 the above is not my quote from this thread. Did you 'quote' me but then copied and pasted over it?

My bad. Taken from another's quote (when you posted your reply). Hope that makes sense.  

[TKDfella]

17 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

My bad. Taken from another's quote (when you posted your reply). Hope that makes sense.  

No problem.

[poanoi]

for once the world is moving along at good pace,

so we wont really recognize it 50 years later.

this is in stark contrast to before isaac newton,

when almost no progress at all was ever achieved

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

Its not man who will kill us with "climate change" but nature as it always has done ,the world changes constantly whether we are on it or not ,or was it animal farts that caused the last ice age , man made climate change is just a way to tax us more .

This tax hysteria is what going to kill us, because the drive is egoism! There will always be some kind of taxing for the best of society, because a good healthy society provide equal rights for everybody, education and free speach! 

[ivor bigun]

This tax hysteria is what going to kill us, because the drive is egoism! There will always be some kind of taxing for the best of society, because a good healthy society provide equal rights for everybody, education and free speach! 

In a perfect world.but ours is far from perfect

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[marko kok prong]

I strongly beleive that the Borg will assimilate us.