Thaksin, Yingluck enjoying their tour of the US

[eggers]

21 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

There never has been an interpol red warrant for either of them

Correct, had wrong colour Blue warrant.....

[BobBKK]

16 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

They reinforce the role model that the very very corrupt can escape real punishment and become fabulously wealthy which is was keeps corruption an 'acceptable" of life here.

Brother was just part of a filthy system and Yingluck was not corrupt at all. All countries have rice supporting schemes as does the Junta. No one really believes the Junta lies about her and the 'fantastic escape' with house surrounded by Policemen. She was the innocent victim of an Army take-over who then wanted her OUT.

 

She (or he for that matter) would win by a LANDSLIDE if they were allowed back and that cannot happen.

[robblok]

Just now, BobBKK said:

Brother was just part of a filthy system and Yingluck was not corrupt at all. All countries have rice supporting schemes as does the Junta. No one really believes the Junta lies about her and the 'fantastic escape' with house surrounded by Policemen. She was the innocent victim of an Army take-over who then wanted her OUT.

 

She (or he for that matter) would win by a LANDSLIDE if they were allowed back and that cannot happen.

YL was negligent let a 30 billion corruption scheme happen in her rice program after people pointed out there were fake G2G deals. She said she would investigate came back with.. no corruption. That is negligence, then if you know the companies that were involved with the fake G2G deals were friends of Thaksin you wonder if it was ONLY negligence or more. 

[BobBKK]

Just now, robblok said:

YL was negligent let a 30 billion corruption scheme happen in her rice program after people pointed out there were fake G2G deals. She said she would investigate came back with.. no corruption. That is negligence, then if you know the companies that were involved with the fake G2G deals were friends of Thaksin you wonder if it was ONLY negligence or more. 

Not at all. Far sighted in trying to help farmers she was a bit unlucky the market changed. She did nothing that other PM's do.  Name one other PM who has been prosecuted like that.  Obama?  Bush?  Cameron?  Blair?  Merkle?  all of those have blood on their hands (Iraq etc.) and are far more guilty than sh ever was.  PM's get protection from being hounded after their term in office but not here.  And WHO is afraid the most?  the Junta who, funnily enough, have given themselves amnesty.  Do you agree that Prayut should be tried for treason?  you don't think this crime is far, far worse than helping farmers?  

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Not at all. Far sighted in trying to help farmers she was a bit unlucky the market changed. She did nothing that other PM's do.  Name one other PM who has been prosecuted like that.  Obama?  Bush?  Cameron?  Blair?  Merkle?  all of those have blood on their hands (Iraq etc.) and are far more guilty than sh ever was.  PM's get protection from being hounded after their term in office but not here.  And WHO is afraid the most?  the Junta who, funnily enough, have given themselves amnesty.  Do you agree that Prayut should be tried for treason?  you don't think this crime is far, far worse than helping farmers?  

Not talking about the program at all not giving a judgement on that one your not even reading what i post.

 

I am posting about the fake 30 billion baht G2G deals a case that ended in lengthy prison sentence for people and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

 

YL either let it happen knowingly (because the companies were connected to Thaksin) or was so stupid she could not find out and was negligent. 

 

I made no judgement on the program while I am against it, I am making judgement about the corruption in the program and YL her inability (on purpose or otherwise) to combat that corruption. 30 billion lost because of the fake trades allowing rice to be sold 2 times in the system. 

[BobBKK]

Just now, robblok said:

Not talking about the program at all not giving a judgement on that one your not even reading what i post.

 

I am posting about the fake 30 billion baht G2G deals a case that ended in lengthy prison sentence for people and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

 

YL either let it happen knowingly (because the companies were connected to Thaksin) or was so stupid she could not find out and was negligent. 

 

I made no judgement on the program while I am against it, I am making judgement about the corruption in the program and YL her inability (on purpose or otherwise) to combat that corruption. 30 billion lost because of the fake trades allowing rice to be sold 2 times in the system. 

I agree brother was corrupt but they all were (and are).  If we jailed all ex.PM's who make mistakes (Bush/Blair WMD?) then no one would want the job and the jail's would be full.  It's a nonsense and is why parliamentary privilege exists.

 

You skipped over the question about prosecuting Prayut and his gang who took over the WHOLE country with guns.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

I agree brother was corrupt but they all were (and are).  If we jailed all ex.PM's who make mistakes (Bush/Blair WMD?) then no one would want the job and the jail's would be full.  It's a nonsense and is why parliamentary privilege exists.

 

You skipped over the question about prosecuting Prayut and his gang who took over the WHOLE country with guns.

Your skipping so many of my questions and parts of my reply I do the same. Seems to be the norm here on Thaivisa so I go with the flow. 

 

This was not a matter of making a mistake, this was pointed out to her that these fake G2G were there and she would investigate. That is just negligence or stupidity or its on purpose. She was convicted for negligence and I feel the might have messed up the investigation on purpose (they could not prove it but its hard to prove of course) because of her brothers links to the companies that helped in the fake G2G deals. 

 

If we jailed PM's who made mistakes they would be far more careful with their job just imagine we would not have had an Irak war because data would have been properly checked. 

[BobBKK]

Just now, robblok said:

Your skipping so many of my questions and parts of my reply I do the same. Seems to be the norm here on Thaivisa so I go with the flow. 

 

This was not a matter of making a mistake, this was pointed out to her that these fake G2G were there and she would investigate. That is just negligence or stupidity or its on purpose. She was convicted for negligence and I feel the might have messed up the investigation on purpose (they could not prove it but its hard to prove of course) because of her brothers links to the companies that helped in the fake G2G deals. 

 

If we jailed PM's who made mistakes they would be far more careful with their job just imagine we would not have had an Irak war because data would have been properly checked. 

Well... we agree to disagree. Luckily for her the whole world agrees and she is free to travel etc.  I wish her well, history will treat her more kindly than those that took over through guns.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Well... we agree to disagree. Luckily for her the whole world agrees and she is free to travel etc.  I wish her well, history will treat her more kindly than those that took over through guns.

I don't really care that she escaped, there are plenty of people on the run with far more serious crimes. There are far more serious crimes that go unpunished. I don't lose any sleep over Thaksin or Yingluck or Prayut. 

[peperobi]

18 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Do you love Bonnie and Clyde too?

Yes of course!

[Blackheart1916]

2 hours ago, peperobi said:

Yes of course!

But the aesthetically challenged Bonnie Parker can't hold a candle to the gorgeous Yingluck!

[stephen tracy]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

I don't really care that she escaped, there are plenty of people on the run with far more serious crimes. There are far more serious crimes that go unpunished. I don't lose any sleep over Thaksin or Yingluck or Prayut. 

I don't think the most high-profile person in the country awaiting an immanent guilty verdict, and one of the most recognizable faces in SE Asia can just skip town. Particularly when it is abundantly obvious that the junta did not want her here, for obvious reasons. I also think that if you start jailing politicians for making a "mistake", then you run the risk of never having a government anywhere ever again. But I don't think politicians should be let off completely for being negligent in their job either. That sets a bad precedent. However, I do think that anyone who quite literately kidnaps an entire country at the behest of those above, all of whom view that country as their personal possession, should indeed be jailed. 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

I don't think the most high-profile person in the country awaiting an immanent guilty verdict, and one of the most recognizable faces in SE Asia can just skip town. Particularly when it is abundantly obvious that the junta did not want her here, for obvious reasons. I also think that if you start jailing politicians for making a "mistake", then you run the risk of never having a government anywhere ever again. But I don't think politicians should be let off completely for being negligent in their job either. That sets a bad precedent. However, I do think that anyone who quite literately kidnaps an entire country at the behest of those above, all of whom view that country as their personal possession, should indeed be jailed. 

I agree that the junta probably had something to do with her escape.. that or they are incompetent beyond belief. (though it might just be possible). I think the truth is somewhere in the middle between jailing politicians and letting them off. I don't like negligence and YL did cause 30 billion baht damages to the state by allowing it to happen, however it can't be proven she benefited from it. I am still not sure it was just incompetence or on purpose as the companies were linked to Thaksin. But it cant be proven. 

 

I much rather see a difference in attitude how they go about real proven corruption here. Each and every time I read about it they never talk about jail-time or return of all the ill gotten gains. Just dismissal. This is something that needs to change and I much rather see a change here then YL in jail. It sickens me how easy those people get off. Rarely is jail time given for corruption. Steal from a shop and you can end up in jail.. steal millions from the government and you get dismissed.... Talk about disproportionate 

[dddave]

I can't help but wonder if the politician they quietly visited in Washington DC was the recently elected Senator from Illinois, Tammy Duckworth.  

She's half-Thai (Mother) and a genuine war hero.  Lost both legs in Iraq when the chopper she was piloting was shot down.

Probably an "off the record" visit because of the outstanding warrants.

[PREM-R]

35 minutes ago, robblok said:

I agree that the junta probably had something to do with her escape.. that or they are incompetent beyond belief. (though it might just be possible). I think the truth is somewhere in the middle between jailing politicians and letting them off. I don't like negligence and YL did cause 30 billion baht damages to the state by allowing it to happen, however it can't be proven she benefited from it. I am still not sure it was just incompetence or on purpose as the companies were linked to Thaksin. But it cant be proven. 

 

I much rather see a difference in attitude how they go about real proven corruption here. Each and every time I read about it they never talk about jail-time or return of all the ill gotten gains. Just dismissal. This is something that needs to change and I much rather see a change here then YL in jail. It sickens me how easy those people get off. Rarely is jail time given for corruption. Steal from a shop and you can end up in jail.. steal millions from the government and you get dismissed.... Talk about disproportionate 

So if Yingluck should serve 5 years for a few billion baht, how long for the junta for stealing a whole country? Well Rob? How long?

[robblok]

12 minutes ago, PREM-R said:

So if Yingluck should serve 5 years for a few billion baht, how long for the junta for stealing a whole country? Well Rob? How long?

No idea you give a number and ill support it if YL and Thaksin also serve their punishment. I don't care about the junta, i want them gone too. But I also don't have any love for Thaksin and YL (though as I said I don't care to much about what she has done as plenty of corruption goes unpunished and we can't be sure she did it on purpose and cause 30 billion in damages).

 

Would be fun Prayut and Thaksin in the same jail... 

[dddave]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

It sickens me how easy those people get off. Rarely is jail time given for corruption. Steal from a shop and you can end up in jail.. steal millions from the government and you get dismissed.... Talk about disproportionate 

I agree, but can you name a nation, even Scandinavian countries;  the supposed pillars of integrity, where this is not true?   For the most part, the wealthy and powerful walk, where ever they are.  Sure, one can point to cases like Bernie Madoff as an example of incarceration but for every one Bernie in the world, 100 get their severance packages and retire to their villas.

[whaleboneman]

On 6/10/2018 at 6:11 PM, starky said:

So not unlike the junta with their smug corruption and nepotism then? Whatever did happen with those watches? Few generals running round with billions in their pockets too. From someone who ran a Telco company the billions are easily explained. How does a general in the army end up with billions of assets though? ?

How do you explain a policeman getting a telco company?

[baboon]

1 hour ago, whaleboneman said:

How do you explain a policeman getting a telco company?

The question asked was how army generals acquired on a Thai salary riches beyond the dreams of avarice. Answer that one first then let's take it from there...

[starky]

9 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

How do you explain a policeman getting a telco company?

Never heard of shincorp? He never "got" anything. He had plenty of failed business attempts before AIS and that was using his buddies in the RTP. Maybe he is an entrepreneur or lucky who knows regardless at least he has a business that half pie offsets his vast wealth so again I ask where do career soldiers get their obscene wealth from..? Something to do with striped cats from the East perhaps?

[BobBKK]

15 hours ago, robblok said:

I agree that the junta probably had something to do with her escape.. that or they are incompetent beyond belief. (though it might just be possible). I think the truth is somewhere in the middle between jailing politicians and letting them off. I don't like negligence and YL did cause 30 billion baht damages to the state by allowing it to happen, however it can't be proven she benefited from it. I am still not sure it was just incompetence or on purpose as the companies were linked to Thaksin. But it cant be proven. 

 

I much rather see a difference in attitude how they go about real proven corruption here. Each and every time I read about it they never talk about jail-time or return of all the ill gotten gains. Just dismissal. This is something that needs to change and I much rather see a change here then YL in jail. It sickens me how easy those people get off. Rarely is jail time given for corruption. Steal from a shop and you can end up in jail.. steal millions from the government and you get dismissed.... Talk about disproportionate 

Thank you. Yes it  'can't be proven' as there is NO BASIS for the accusation. I'll give you some more:

 

'It can't be proven'  that Obama did not get a kick back from the local Nunnery

'It can't be proven' that Elvis was really Santa Claus in disguise

'It can't be proven' that Prayut is not a Lizard  ( David Icke style)

 

So let's leave the 'It can't be proven's behind?   she was not charged, she was not arrested, she was not guilty and travels freely whilst the Mob holds this beautiful country to ransom whilst it enjoys  'dead people's' watches, vast land sales and 'connecting with the people' (although not politicking of course).

Edited June 13, 2018 by BobBKK

[robblok]

Never heard of shincorp? He never "got" anything. He had plenty of failed business attempts before AIS and that was using his buddies in the RTP. Maybe he is an entrepreneur or lucky who knows regardless at least he has a business that half pie offsets his vast wealth so again I ask where do career soldiers get their obscene wealth from..? Something to do with striped cats from the East perhaps?

He got a monopoly from the army so your wrong with he never got anything. That is how he started the irony. Just look it up on wiki.

As for corrupt army personnel they should be punished as much as anyone. Everyone who is corrupt should be punished. Too bad here punishment is often minor.

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[robblok]

Thank you. Yes it  'can't be proven' as there is NO BASIS for the accusation. I'll give you some more:
 
'It can't be proven'  that Obama did not get a kick back from the local Nunnery
'It can't be proven' that Elvis was really Santa Claus in disguise
'It can't be proven' that Prayut is not a Lizard  ( David Icke style)
 
So let's leave the 'It can't be proven's behind?   she was not charged, she was not arrested, she was not guilty and travels freely whilst the Mob holds this beautiful country to ransom whilst it enjoys  'dead people's' watches, vast land sales and 'connecting with the people' (although not politicking of course).

Your one to talk she is proven in court to be guilty but your not agreeing. While proven in court and i can't speculate on a proven link between Thaksin and those companies. Come on please be a bit fair what your obviously not.

Your disagreeing with a court verdict while i am merely exposing known facts and ask if there is a connection.

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[BobBKK]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Your one to talk she is proven in court to be guilty but your not agreeing. While proven in court and i can't speculate on a proven link between Thaksin and those companies. Come on please be a bit fair what your obviously not.

Your disagreeing with a court verdict while i am merely exposing known facts and ask if there is a connection.

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The Court date was not for corruption it was for a 'made up' charge of negligence. An unheard of law.  Anyway it ALL failed and she's enjoying a well-earned holiday in USA.