In Thai tourist spots, a hidden world of male sex slavery

[The manic]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

It's probably not as simple as that.

 

I would presume that some don't tell at home, what they are doing – just like many girls working in the night life say that they don't dare to tell their parents, other than they have a well-paid job, and the family don't ask much as long as some money arrives – and I also think the "trafficking" issue should be re-considered. I'm not saying that there is no trafficking, but some NGOs might overexpose it, and in some cases the "victims" might be in a better situation saying they have been trafficked, if authorities steps in – like in the "Victoria's The Secret for Ever"-case – as well as authorities might wish to "solve" some trafficking-cases for better records.

 

"It's not simple" – always remember that there are at least 50 shades of gray – but the truth is rather that a lot of mainly girls, and some boys and transgender (katoys/ladyboys) are heading for money and a better life for their family, and perhaps also lottery tickets with the chance of meeting a well off person, not only foreigners. Some families back home may know what's happening, but not speak; others may not know what's really going on; and some might have been promised another kind of work – or think that – and find the truth when they arrive, and are already in debt for travelling expenses, so it's not possible to just step out; and numerous other cases where even a family in some level might have "sold" a daughter or son. And it seems like that it's both Thais, and migrants from neighboring countries, where we mainly hear about Laos and Cambodia, including underage workers. All this are facts based on various news stories and books.

 

Today, where everybody seem to have a mobile smartphone, and even being on-line, and cases where normal working girls, and boys and transgender, are mixed with so-called trafficked, it would seem weird if the trafficked ones cannot get in contact with the world outside, and say that there's something wrong. That why I think the cases of "trafficking" shall be reconsidered, it might be voluntary in some, if not many. of the situations.

Trafficking has just become a lazy term for simplistic thinkers. Most sex workers commute. 

[duanebigsby]

There are a lot of issues with this report.

There a re a lot of sleazy NGO organizations out for profit. 

 

But none of that is reason to dismiss the problem of sex trafficking of underage children whether World Vision classifies a 26 year old as a child or not.

 

(Don't believe that for a minute as I googled the hell out of it and couldn't find anything to back it. If you got sources please post.)

[The manic]

25 minutes ago, tominbkk said:

Worldvision, one of the biggest NGOs, consider anyone 26 years old or younger to be a child.  That's how they get their huge child sex figures.

Thank you.

[The manic]

Just now, duanebigsby said:

There are a lot of issues with this report.

There a re a lot of sleazy NGO organizations out for profit. 

 

But none of that is reason to dismiss the problem of sex trafficking of underage children whether World Vision classifies a 26 year old as a child or not.

 

(Don't believe that for a minute as I googled the hell out of it and couldn't find anything to back it. If you got sources please post.)

Is it forced trafficking? If it's not forced then it's not slavery and not trafficking. Its a life style choice.

[duanebigsby]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

Thank you.

Child sex and trafficking exist on a large scale. Deny it all you want simply because a few NGOs are unscrupulous.

Why are you denying this. Is it simply to  justify your own use of prostitutes?

[duanebigsby]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

Is it forced trafficking? If it's not forced then it's not slavery and not trafficking. Its a life style choice.

In many cases it is forced prostitution. Not everyone is in the sex trade by choice. Realize that.

[tominbkk]

6 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

There are a lot of issues with this report.

There a re a lot of sleazy NGO organizations out for profit. 

 

But none of that is reason to dismiss the problem of sex trafficking of underage children whether World Vision classifies a 26 year old as a child or not.

 

(Don't believe that for a minute as I googled the hell out of it and couldn't find anything to back it. If you got sources please post.)

I saw it in their site a few years ago.

[duanebigsby]

1 minute ago, tominbkk said:

I saw it in their site a few years ago.

I looked through their site and didn't find it. 26 is a stupid age to call someone a child of course. I'm not arguing that World Vision aren't a bad NGO, they are corrupt,  I'm just saying there is a problem with child trafficking.

[duanebigsby]

13 minutes ago, The manic said:

Trafficking has just become a lazy term for simplistic thinkers. Most sex workers commute. 

Your operative word is "most."

For most it is a trade, but for many it is forced. Why are you denying the problem?

How many 12 and 13 year olds "choose" this life?

[Cuba]

11 hours ago, fullcave said:

I wonder do the parents notice their children are missing? 

They only notice when the money stops being sent back.

[Guitar God]

24 year old boys?

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.

[tominbkk]

2 hours ago, duanebigsby said:

I looked through their site and didn't find it. 26 is a stupid age to call someone a child of course. I'm not arguing that World Vision aren't a bad NGO, they are corrupt,  I'm just saying there is a problem with child trafficking.

Of course here is a problem.  But it is disingenuous of NGOs to inflate what is probably an issue involving hundreds of children to what they stated awhile back, which was there was something like over 1 million children in the sex trade.  They rely of course on donations and coercion so need to show numbers like that.

[duanebigsby]

6 minutes ago, tominbkk said:

Of course here is a problem.  But it is disingenuous of NGOs to inflate what is probably an issue involving hundreds of children to what they stated awhile back, which was there was something like over 1 million children in the sex trade.  They rely of course on donations and coercion so need to show numbers like that.

Perhaps hundreds of kids in Thailand, but there are over a million worldwide.

[car720]

6 hours ago, csabo said:

I often think that when I see a girl riding on the back of a motorbike or otherwise in tow. It's like the guy says before leaving the house "Keys? Check. Wallet? Check. Sunglasses? Check. Wet hole to put my penis into? Check."

Seriously though.  Do you think that any woman is ever in tow.  

Have you ever heard of topping from the bottom?

[Sirbergan]

Personally, I think inflated numbers being the core of the discussion here is like peeing in your pants when dreaming that you went to the toilet – it's as far off target as can be. One is one to many, when it comes to children. Bickering about numbers is depraved.

 

It's simple, don't give if you don't want to give. I personally don't give because I don't really have much.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Sirbergan
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[Jonathan Swift]

19 hours ago, LazySlipper said:

 

I fail to see how anyone would want to traffic ladyboys.

If there's money in it, someone will do it. Human sexuality & sexual preferences are infinitely broad, and for every niche in the sexuality and gender spectrum there are those who lust for it. Much of it is not pretty. Most of those trafficked have a vulnerability such as drug addiction, or non resident alien whose passports have been confiscated by thugs, or just ordinary prostitutes who have been enticed , ensnared, or even kidnapped. And there are families who because of dire poverty will entice or even sell their teenagers into sexual servitude. Hard to wrap your mind around it for the average person. But it is not limited to Thailand - Thailand is a favorite punching bag for the more sanctimonious western countries, yet trafficking is a problem everywhere - US included

[Ketyo]

The OP would do well to remember that in general, sex is a good thing and it should be encouraged within a caring society as long as it is consensual. Greater access to sex correlates with lower levels of violence. Look at the muslim world today and the christian world over the ages..both being religions that unnaturally portray sex as a sin. And remember that religion is a bad thing, a virus of the mind, that causes lies, deceit and the waste of the lives of those poor folk infected.

Edited June 14, 2018 by Ketyo

[Mad mick]

fk i feel sick reading this , 

[Fairynuff]

I find two things sickening here. The physical/sexual abuse of anyone be it boy girl man or woman. AND the lack of compassion and understanding displayed by the majority in this thread

[tominbkk]

19 hours ago, Sirbergan said:

Personally, I think inflated numbers being the core of the discussion here is like peeing in your pants when dreaming that you went to the toilet – it's as far off target as can be. One is one to many, when it comes to children. Bickering about numbers is depraved.

 

It's simple, don't give if you don't want to give. I personally don't give because I don't really have much.

I suppose it comes down for me to these NGOs being truthful.  If they are revealed not to have integrity then you begin to question if the donations being given are being spent with integrity as well.  Just choose where you invest in something like this carefully.  Many charitable organisations spend up to 80% of donations on 'admin costs'.

 

Before you give you can start here:  https://www.charitywatch.org/home

[JeffreyO]

I lived in BKK for years, I went to Pattaya once.  I hated it.  I know many here are all about the pay for play but I'm a young man who can get his jollies without it.  That being said, I remember walking past a place called Boys Town?  I think that's what it was called.  Big, bright, neon sign above said that.  Is anyone surprised by this?

It's like the Thai police saying "I had no idea Soy Cowboy, Nana Plaza and Pattaya existed!!!!"  Nonsense.

[Jennyau]

19 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

I find two things sickening here. The physical/sexual abuse of anyone be it boy girl man or woman. AND the lack of compassion and understanding displayed by the majority in this thread

Couldn't agree more....maybe if some of them worried more about the problem and less about the money side of it, the world would be a better place. But then according to a couple of these idiots....there is no problem at all. Utterly disgusting and sickening.

[jak2002003]

23 hours ago, Jennyau said:

Couldn't agree more....maybe if some of them worried more about the problem and less about the money side of it, the world would be a better place. But then according to a couple of these idiots....there is no problem at all. Utterly disgusting and sickening.

Throw money at Charities that are not helping people... and just there to con people out of money?  You get a good feeling giving money away to people that are actually harming people and using the money for themselves?

 

How do you know there is a problem?  Have you gone and looked for yourself?  No?  Maybe easier not to think about it, just get a few baht out your purse and think everything is fine?

 

Many of these charities here are simply religious based Christian missionary money making operations... to raise money to keep they churches and staff.  They do little help in most cases... and vast amount of damage in the worst cases.. including basically trafficking hill tribe children THEMSELVES.... hiding the poor kids away miles from nowhere in massive buildings funded by people like you.  Then there is the sexual, emotional, and physical abuse of the children in these homes.. including hitting, beating the children who open their eyes when they are praying!!!!  They punish them for speaking their own language instead of English, they are punished and forbidden to practice their traditional religions and customs.

 

I suggest before you start telling us we are idiots, disgusting and sickening.. you actually get off you backside and go visit these places, research the destruction of hill tribe villages by Christian missionary charities, talk to people who work at these places... and go look there yourself.  If you are in Chiang Mai it is easy for you to pop into the Urban Light boys drop in center…. see how many kids are here... there are far more farang Christians there and bibles that children.

Edited June 17, 2018 by jak2002003

[The manic]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/15/pakistan-shame-open-secret-child-sex-abuse-workplace-kasur

One of the many places NGOs don't bother with but where genuine child abuse is a common practice unlike Thailand which this story basically lies about.

[atyclb]

the hidden world of male sex slavery is actually the term for my condo and the demanding abusive women that use me like a toy. i am getting tired of it.