47 percent of Thais believe no government can tackle corruption problem

By Thai PBS

 

 

Over 47 percent of Thai people believe that no government will ever be able to tackle corruption in the bureaucracy because it has been deeply entrenched in the Thai society and prevalent in all circles due to people’s wrong attitude toward the problem.

 

The not so encouraging findings is the result of a poll conducted by Suan Dusit Poll of Suan Dusit University in the wake of the exposure of several corruption cases in the past few weeks in the media.

 

32.54 percent of the respondents are not sure that the incumbent government of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha will be able to tackle the graft problem as solving  it will take a long time.  However, 19.96 percent is optimistic and believe that the current government will be able to do it because it has the absolute power and, if it is really serious about the problem, it can succeed as evident in its achievement in tackling some corruption cases.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/47-percent-thais-believe-no-government-can-tackle-corruption-problem/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-06-18

3 minutes ago, webfact said:

47 percent of Thais believe no government can tackle corruption

The other 53% must be stupid !

19 minutes ago, webfact said:

Over 47 percent of Thai people believe that no government will ever be able to tackle corruption in the bureaucracy because it has been deeply entrenched in the Thai society and prevalent in all circles due to people’s wrong attitude toward the problem.

Interesting...

 

If, and it is a big 'if', a Thai government wants to tackle corruption, there are several steps that it can take immediately and/or quickly (toss a few bureaucrats and/or soldiers in jail in a loud and public manner, for instance). However, I have yet to see a Thai government that is truly serious about tackling corruption, but rather they all seem to be paying lip-service to the idea. 

 

Fighting corruption will be a generational battle, if Thais are serious about fighting the cancer.

 

However, I see little possibility of change until the Thai people accept the idea that corruption is bad in EVERYBODY, not just in everybody other than they themselves, their families and/or their 'group'...

 

Edited June 17, 20188 yr by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

We need a  survey from the PM,s  office saying 100% of Thais think only he can stop corruption  to fix  this  issue

33 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Interesting...

 

If, and it is a big 'if', a Thai government wants to tackle corruption, there are several steps that it can take immediately and/or quickly (toss a few bureaucrats and/or soldiers in jail in a loud and public manner, for instance). However, I have yet to see a Thai government that is truly serious about tackling corruption, but rather they all seem to be paying lip-service to the idea. 

 

Fighting corruption will be a generational battle, if Thais are serious about fighting the cancer.

 

However, I see little possibility of change until the Thai people accept the idea that corruption is bad in EVERYBODY, not just in everybody other than they themselves, their families and/or their 'group'...

 

Very difficult to chuck a few people in jail. Those people are connected to higher ups who all have dirt on each other. Start chucking a few military in jail and see how long you last in Government.

 

The main issue is that it seems to he impossible for anyone who is not corrupt or at least not surrounded by those who are to get into a position of power. The patronage system runs so deep and is so strong.

a report and reward system, and i think technology can do wonders here,

case in point, imagine if everyone was equipped with a video camera

when he goes into immigration office or when he stops at a road checkpoint,

the two most notorious fleecing stations

Edited June 17, 20188 yr by poanoi

I agree with them.  Surely those who create laws and those that enforce them should not be breaking the same laws? 

'47 percent of Thais believe no government can tackle corruption problem'

And rightly so, corruption it's not only Thailand's problem, everywhere were a feudalistic system was in place, corruption was a way of life condoned and accepted, it is well rooted in Arab and communist/soviet culture, so much so that nothing was done without an under the table payment, so Thailand is in good company, and the system seems to work fine as long as people don't get too greedy or too stupid while using this system...

"Over 47 percent of Thai people believe that no government will ever be able to tackle corruption in the bureaucracy..."

 

Most Thais don't understand what 47 per cent represents. Keep them stupid and uneducated, and corruption will flourish. 

Entitlement and emboldenment ,combined with years of lawlessness ,shamlessness and defiance , hiding behind a (now visably corrupt religion).Saddly the same greed has destroyed the once great enviorment and beaches.These disguting corrupt cival servants have stolen form the poor the children and the elderly....

Edited June 17, 20188 yr by mok199
speliings

well obviously, no thai gov has tackled it.....

 

hard to tackle ones self.

 

many just wish they were on that gravy train..

 

1 form of thainess is "get while the gettings good" another is accepting things as they are.

 

ingrained + accepted = not likely to stop.

 

 

Government and all its vast array of tentacles is the source of corruption. There appears to be no department untouched by this disease. The recent case of a man who enriched himself and his wife via working for the Chiang Mai PAO also tells us why it will continue. He was found to 'unusually wealthy' to the tune of almost 200m baht and served 1 year in jail. His crimes were decided to be about asset concealment and declaration. No mention about corruption, theft, robbery, deception or deceit. It was treated like a bookkeepers error. And thats justice?

12 minutes ago, kaorop said:

well obviously, no thai gov has tackled it.....

 

hard to tackle ones self.

Exactly.

Each Thai should take a stand and not accept or condone corruption. The government will not and cannot change it on their own. I needed a yellow book, first thing my wife did was to go to a local woman in our village who works in the nearest office that issues them. She took her a small gift to speed up the process I guess, the point being that the woman never asked for it, my wife just assumed that it was neccessary. Thais need to stop assuming and make them ask for a bribe.

Big  Jokes 1000 year quest begins.  

2 hours ago, webfact said:

However, 19.96 percent is optimistic and believe that the current government will be able to do it because it has the absolute power and, if it is really serious about the problem, it can succeed as evident in its achievement in tackling some corruption cases.

Let me stress this part: "if it is really serious about the problem".

Because that is the key here; the current bunch are just as corrupt as all the others and therefore are not serious about it at all.

 

History shows us several countries which were able to (almost completely) stamp out corruption. Let it be in one sector or even the whole government and private life.

But as always Thailand has positioned itself above all others, as part of "having face", which will mean they will never look outside and learn from others. Thailand will try to solve it their own way which means one corrupt faction will fight corruption in another faction so it can have a bigger share of the cake that is being cut up.

 

Of course this will never work, because once the winning faction becomes too big it will split up and the whole process will repeat itself.

That is the problem Thais have been condition to believe nothing can be done thus just go along their way each day thinking they are actually free.

Then you got a % of the population who think the current leadership is going to do something for them while all they done is steal from Peter to pay Paul?

The government past and present have done their job, the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.

Corrupt top to bottom. Every Thai knows this. They all hate it, except ofcourse those who benefit from it.

Very difficult ,when the biggest part of corruption IS the Government,

corruption within,and no real effort to curtail it,

regards Worgeorde

17 minutes ago, thailand49 said:

That is the problem Thais have been condition to believe nothing can be done thus just go along their way each day thinking they are actually free.

Then you got a % of the population who think the current leadership is going to do something for them while all they done is steal from Peter to pay Paul?

The government past and present have done their job, the rich gets richer and the poor gets poorer.

Denial, conditioning, apathy all make Thailand the graveyard of ambition.  Officials steel, what to do ?   Roads are among the most dangerous in the world, what to do ?    Thailand is a nice place with a feeling of hopelessness. 

I know this has no direct connection with corruption in Thailand but bear with me.... Yesterday evening I saw a documentary about the "Family" sect in Australia with that evil witch Anne at the head. It started in the 60s and gradually penetrated all levels of government. When police started to issue report after report, it was all hushed and quashed. There were judges, Police leadership, government bureaucrats, politicians, all members of the cult. Every time a police task force was assigned and made their reports, the reports were killed. Finally, after many years they finally had so much evidence, thanks to a lawyer who revealed everything, they could get the leader extradited to Australia and face court, in the end, she was fined, that's all. It show how difficult it is to root out a cancerous growth like this from government and society, and this was Australia.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Over 47 percent of Thai people believe that no government will ever be able to tackle corruption in the bureaucracy because it has been deeply entrenched in the Thai society

Can anyone seriously believe those organisations which are designed to investigate corruption like the PACC and the NACC aren't corrupt themselves. Corruption is everywhere in Thailand; politics, the civil service (which includes the RTP) and the military. It is a way of life for those crooks. 

The NACC in particular seems designed to protect crooked high flying civil servants and politicians and army generals with lots of watches. The NACC is only there for show so that people might think the government is doing something about corruption. It is government tokenism at it's finest.

Likewise the PACC is a toothless tiger and unable to initiate criminal charges against those they find guilty of fraud and embezzlement. It seems they can transfer guilty staff to inactive posts and try to recover the stolen money but that's about all. The PACC is part of the "in-house" Civil Service Club.

Ending corruption is a task for the Thai people, not just the government. I have been in Thailand on and off since 1967 and can verify corruption has been accepted and exploited by the public over that entire period. Until the public recognize that they support corruption when they pay bribes, fail to hold officials accountable, and fail to demand transparency in government, no change will ever happen.  

3 hours ago, webfact said:

ever be able to tackle corruption in the bureaucracy because it has been deeply entrenched in the Thai society and prevalent in all circles due to people’s wrong attitude toward the problem.

Present administration included, things like the 'watch' scandal and the Doi Suthep "it's not encroachment when elite bureaucrats want to live there" pretty much shows their hands regarding corruption.  It's endemic, too much money to be made and influence peddled by being corrupted, but easier to do from the position of power as one can leverage the power to obfuscate reality.  It's a morality issue, or an issue with the vast majority of people within the Thai culture and society who are literally devoid of morality whilst hiding behind the patina of Buddhist ethics.  Yeah, it sucks for the country as a whole, but at the end of the day you can live here pretty well unaffected by the worst of it.  In a perfect world the government and the corresponding bureaucracy are run by upright, moral people and corporations work for the betterment of all mankind - but we don't live in that particular utopia.  We live in a hell-world ruled by greed and avarice.  And even that hell-world has it's oasises.  You just find your own oasis and hope the slime doesn't get on you when you're least expecting it. 

He who wields Article 44 has absolute power. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Edited June 18, 20188 yr by joebrown
Remove full stop

it's not can as much as wont in my mind.

The future looks bright. There will always be a plentiful supply of cheap labour here.......

 

The system needs a dumb majority, unqualified for productive work in the real world, and so the system will keep churning them out of schools and universities.

 

Let sleeping dogs lie and enjoy.....

 

 

Proper justice system with harsh penalties across the board irrespective of who you are would help but wouldn't stop it totally. However, once a few have been given really stiff sentences not just a wai and sorry then the majority of people with think several times before they engage in corruption.

Every country has corruption without exception but if caught the sentences are harsh and the same irrespective of who you are. In many cases people with positions of responsibility are given harsher sentences to set an example.

Until Thailand does the same nothing will change. No one and I mean no one should have a reduced sentence because of there position within society. Will that happen? No but it is the only thing that will have an effective impact on the situation

Generally speaking, with the exception of the odd imported and brutally enforced ideology, governments are a reflection of the people, society and culture of the country. That's why having "crackdowns" or a "lock them up" policy isn't going to work. 

 

Lee Kwan Yue in Singapore was able to root it out but that has more to do with the fact it is a tiny city state populated by predominately Chinese. Also South Korea made huge steps over the last few decades. East Asians appear to be exceptions though.

 

Most of S.E Asia, Africa and Middle East are continually mired in corruption to varying degrees. It's probably a fair question to ask whether they will ever completely be able to do so at this point if they haven't managed to already - it's 2018 after all.

 

On the other hand I guess you could say the Thailand of say, 30 years ago is less corrupt than today? I'm not sure if it's to a very noticeable degree though ?

 

 

4 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

The other 53% must be stupid !

And in the typical Thai manner they found a way to blame others for their problem. Remember the quote of a government official saying: "There was no corruption in Thailand until the Chinese arrived"? Now they accept it as a vital part of their culture, their Buddhism and Thainess. There will be no end of corruption because the fish stinks from the head.

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