UK experts arriving to help rescue mission in Chiang Rai

[greenchair]

1 hour ago, Suradit69 said:

Hopefully no family members or friends read your "expert" opinion.

 

They have to prepare themselves. 

Of course the best hope is they are found alive. 

Let's be realistic. 5 days in a small cave with limited air, no food, no clean water, flashfloods and rain pouring in everyday. 

If they are not alive  (which is not likely now ).

Then it would be even more terrible if the parents couldn't get their loved ones retrieved until after the rainy season. 

It's a race against time. The divers are in great danger every second. 

[bubba]

45 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

If you read the report before commenting, it would become clear that the Brits world-wide expertise is relevant to cave rescuing, particularly this cave system. I doubt the Navy Seals or US Navy have similar experience in such rescue missions as they would be starting from scratch. However, their equipment would obviously be welcomed.

 

 

The US Navy SEALS have many years of experience with cave operations in Afghanistan. They also likely have some sophisticated cave operations equipment. Together with that and their physical endurance, working with the British experts and their experience in that particular cave, I think that would be an excellent team. 

 

The goal we are all praying for is to find these boys and their teacher. I hope we do not allow nationalism to interfere with that.

[NextStationBangkok]

1 hour ago, ZeVonderBearz said:

What's with the two Thais wanting a photo with them in the airport? Shameless. 

Think about the time they pass all Thai media and reach the victims finally.

 

I saw many channels showing live, it is kind of pressure on experts on the field who work 24X7 at the moment, rising their own lives.

 

I strongly believe Thailand should look for Swiss or Japanese experts, they might have more skills than anyone.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, bubba said:

 

The US Navy SEALS have many years of experience with cave operations in Afghanistan. They also likely have some sophisticated cave operations equipment. Together with that and their physical endurance, working with the British experts and their experience in that particular cave, I think that would be an excellent team. 

 

The goal we are all praying for is to find these boys and their teacher. I hope we do not allow nationalism to interfere with that.

Cave experience and cave diving is a different thing... just pointing out the obvious. 

[bubba]

19 minutes ago, chang1 said:

All depends on visibility. I have only dived in clear well lit water. Near zero visibility in a confined space would be totally different. Sure they can progress but having an air gap would speed them up considerably.

I saw a report on Thai TV last night where the SEAL operators commented that the water was muddy and the visibility was so poor that they could see nothing as far as their hand in front of them. They had to navigate by getting their eyes above the water.

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[bubba]

9 minutes ago, bubba said:

 

The US Navy SEALS have many years of experience with cave operations in Afghanistan. They also likely have some sophisticated cave operations equipment. Together with that and their physical endurance, working with the British experts and their experience in that particular cave, I think that would be an excellent team. 

 

The goal we are all praying for is to find these boys and their teacher. I hope we do not allow nationalism to interfere with that.

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Cave experience and cave diving is a different thing... just pointing out the obvious.

 

Sorry, but it seems obvious to me that "many years of experience with cave operations" translates to "cave experience". I don't know anything about their specific training in cave diving, but I believe whether it is the US Navy SEALS or the British SBS, you will not find better trained and equipped operators in underwater confined space missions. My point was that together with spelunkers having experience in that particular cave, I think you could not have a better team. 

[SpeakeasyThai]

A bit late in the day to be calling in farang 'experts'. I guess the first choice of the Medium didn't work out too well.

As for the three 'experts' themselves, they look about the same age demographics your typical Pattaya go go bar officianos.

[robblok]

17 minutes ago, bubba said:

 

Sorry, but it seems obvious to me that "many years of experience with cave operations" translates to "cave experience". I don't know anything about their specific training in cave diving, but I believe whether it is the US Navy SEALS or the British SBS, you will not find better trained and equipped operators in underwater confined space missions. My point was that together with spelunkers having experience in that particular cave, I think you could not have a better team. 

I am just pointing out that real cave divers are far more useful then SEALS sorry to discredit the mythical status of your heroes. If i want someone killed.. send in the seals, if I want someone rescued from a flooded cave send in experienced cave divers. If it was a cave that was not flooded Id agree with you as they have extensive cave knowledge from Afghanistan and yes I know seals are great divers but just not cave divers. 

[wvavin]

We just hope for the very best to get the boys out ASAP!

[TKDfella]

Sorry, Ladies & gentlemen but can anyone help me here. I seem unable to find the original report (possible problem on my browser) about the missing boys so perhaps someone here can supply me with same. I'd just like to know why a local football team went to the cave. Like to know if locals know if they went into the cave with a guide, and whether it's known if they took any food with them. Appreciate if someone could direct me. Thanks in advance. I am not familiar with the area so really can't comment.

[kingkenny]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Wouldnt the water just go behind the diver ?

I guess that depends on how narrow the tunnel is he it moving through, if it is very narrow the water would be getting pushed forward. Can you think of any other reason why that bit of air at the top is beneficial?

[denis911]

14 minutes ago, SpeakeasyThai said:

A bit late in the day to be calling in farang 'experts'. I guess the first choice of the Medium didn't work out too well.

As for the three 'experts' themselves, they look about the same age demographics your typical Pattaya go go bar officianos.

Mr Stanton, a firefighter from Coventry, was involved in the rescue of 13 British cavers in Mexico in 2004.

Together with Mr Volanthen, from Bristol, they have also developed their own highly specialised cave diving equipment.

"Both of the guys have considerable expertise," added Mr Hallihan.

Don't sound like "your typical Pattaya go go bar officianos to me"

[kingkenny]

1 hour ago, chang1 said:

More likely for helping with orientation

I think we are all viewing this differently, I see the comment as maybe an Inch of air between the water and the roof whereas you are seeing it as the diver can pop his head up and see where he is going. If there is that much space between the water and the roof then you wouldn't need a diver (Although the sensible thing would still be a diver with equipment even if your version is correct).

[Millcx]

17 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Praying praying.....

The UK Team are the best in the world for this type of mission... Lets hope the kids have found high ground

 

[greenchair]

47 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You havent been following the story , have you ?

Read the latest from the story before commenting .

Get some info , before posting incorrect things

Have they found them? 

Is that the latest story? 

Last I heard the Thai divers had already been several kilometres in with no sign. The caverns are filling with water and mud making it difficult to go further and they are having trouble getting pumps in. The air is very limited. There is some US aid on its way from hawai and 3 British divers have just arrived. 

So unless there is a story that they have been found, I'm pretty updated. 

Please enlightened me. 

[Millcx]

48 minutes ago, robblok said:

Cave experience and cave diving is a different thing... just pointing out the obvious. 

UK Team are the elite for this type of mission

[mikosan]

2 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

3 British experts. How exactly expert are they?

 

My money`s on the American Navy and disaster team. Hope they arrive there soon, time is running out, now every minute counts.

Very expert it would seem.  If you bothered to check their names on google you would be able to establish that yourself, rather than posting fatuous comments.

[Millcx]

3 minutes ago, mikosan said:

Very expert it would seem.  If you bothered to check their names on google you would be able to establish that yourself, rather than posting fatuous comments.

I worked with the US Navy and Seals …. Oh.. They needed us to train them … UK Team are the global elite that have just arrived

 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Millcx said:

UK Team are the elite for this type of mission

Yes that is why i think they will be far more helpful then the SEALS, SEALS are without a doubt one of the best combat units there are. But this is just not their thing (cave DIVING).

 

Too bad there are only 3 in this UK team, as there still seem to be a shortage of cave divers.

[ZeVonderBearz]

2 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

Another thread being turned into a pointless Thai bashing opportunity. Someone asked to take a photo. How is that shameless?

 

 

 

 

No. If you saw some people from the emergency services that were on their way to a well published rescue mission would you a) stop them and ask for a picture so you can put it on Facebook? or b) wish them good luck and don't disturb them. I'm in favour of b. It's shameless promotion from Thai airways plain and simple. 

[sanemax]

Just now, greenchair said:

Last I heard the Thai divers had already been several kilometres in with no sign.

Read the threads :

Quickly : Divers in cave 30% of way , divers cannot go any further due to water , Children expected to be a bit further in on higher ground , waters getting pumped out

[Millcx]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes that is why i think they will be far more helpful then the SEALS, SEALS are without a doubt one of the best combat units there are. But this is just not their thing (cave DIVING).

 

Too bad there are only 3 in this UK team, as there still seem to be a shortage of cave divers.

Seals best combat unit.... I think 22 would have a wee disagreement about that statement 5555

 

[greenchair]

56 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Where did it say that ?

The whole cave is 10 kilometers long and Pattaya beach is somewhere in the middle

The professional divers and rescue workers with all their equipment and oxygen tanks and tag teaming, have not been able to make pattaya beach in 5 days. 

How do you think 11 children and a coach with a flashlight can make that? 

I hope I'm wrong .

I really do. But I have prepared myself. It's not looking good. 

[denis911]

Just now, mikosan said:

Very expert it would seem.  If you bothered to check their names on google you would be able to establish that yourself, rather than posting fatuous comments.

Mr Stanton, a firefighter from Coventry, was involved in the rescue of 13 British cavers in Mexico in 2004.

Together with Mr Volanthen, from Bristol, they have also developed their own highly specialised cave diving equipment.

"Both of the guys have considerable expertise," added Mr Hallihan.

Just reposting for the benefit of the doubters in their expertise 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Millcx said:

Seals best combat unit.... I think 22 would have a wee disagreement about that statement 5555

 

SEALS for their type of missions covert ect. Not all out combat.

[mikosan]

1 minute ago, denis911 said:

Mr Stanton, a firefighter from Coventry, was involved in the rescue of 13 British cavers in Mexico in 2004.

Together with Mr Volanthen, from Bristol, they have also developed their own highly specialised cave diving equipment.

"Both of the guys have considerable expertise," added Mr Hallihan.

Just reposting for the benefit of the doubters in their expertise 

My point exactly, my post reiterated what you had previously posted.

[Millcx]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

SEALS for their type of missions covert ect. Not all out combat.

Haha .. They are still 2nd globally covert or Combat

[IAMHERE]

I thought Thailand had a new set of buddies in China and Russia; where are their teams, assistance, advice, encouragement, etc...?  

[mikosan]

3 minutes ago, Millcx said:

Seals best combat unit.... I think 22 would have a wee disagreement about that statement 5555

 

I believe he said 'one of' the best combat units.