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More international assistance reaches Chiang Rai

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More international assistance reaches Chiang Rai

By THE NATION

 

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US Special Operations Command Pacific Search and Rescue Team's members survey in the cave area as they join the rescue operation for the missing football players and their coach at the Tham Luang cave. // EPA-EFE PHOTO

 

MORE INTERNATIONAL support has poured in to Chaing Rai as the rescue mission to find 12 missing youths and their football coach continued yesterday.
 

At least six countries have provided assistance to help save the boys who are trapped in the flooded cave.

 

The United States said it was deeply worried for the missing players and their coach – who went missing in the Tham Luang Cave in northern Chiang Rai province – as well as their families and supporters. 

 

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US Special Operations Command Pacific Search and Rescue Team's members survey in the cave area as they join the rescue operation for the missing football players and their coach at the Tham Luang cave in Tham Luang Khun Nam Nang Noon Forest Park in Chiang Rai province, Thailand, 28 June 2018. At least 12 members of a youth soccer team are believed to be missing after being trapped in a flooded cave that they were visiting on 23 June.// EPA-EFE PHOTO

 

The Hawaii-based United States Indo-Pacific Command (PACOM) has sent a search and rescue team at the request of the Thai government to assist in the search. 

 

The 30-member US search and rescue team reached Chiang Rai yesterday to share its experience in searches and bolster the efforts being made by Thai authorities. 

 

“We hope the players and their coach will be brought home quickly and safely,” said a statement from the US Embassy yesterday.

 

US Ambassador Glyn T Davies, who led a delegation of US-Asean Business Council to see Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha at Government House yesterday, said the US government and its citizens were concerned about the young footballers and sent their best wishes for their safety. 

 

An award-winning rescue team, “Vientiane 1623”, has been in Chiang Rai to help in the operation since Tuesday. The volunteer group was founded in 2010 and won the prestigious Magsaysay Award in 2016.

 

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Two British cave-divers (2nd and 3rd-L) with Thai army soldiers and local rescue personnel are seen searching for new openings in the mountain of Khun Nam Nang Non Forest Park in Chiang Rai province on June 28, 2018 during rescue operation for a missing children's football team and their coach in Tham Luang cave. A team of US military personnel and British divers joined rescue efforts at a flooded cave in northern Thailand where 12 children and their football coach have been trapped for five days as heavy overnight rains hampered the search. // AFP PHOTO

 

Three rescue experts from England’s Derbyshire Cave Rescue Organisation arrived at Tham Luang on Wednesday. They brought a specialised radio system that can transmit messages for hundreds of metres through solid rock, as well as diving equipment.

 

The team in 2014 saved three divers who were trapped in a cave in England’s East Midlands. Their ordeal was similar to the Thai footballers as their exit from the cave was blocked by a flash flood.

 

Three German diving experts are also on the ground. China and the Philippines have also expressed readiness to send rescue units to the scene if requested by Thailand. 

 

News on social media said that a group of more than 10 frogmen from the Philippines were ready to join the operation and had been trying to contact Thai authorities.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30348871

 
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  • They should make plastic bags filled with a burning light, food and air and let the river bring it to them in the cave.

  • This is an awesome idea. Everything else seems to have failed so why not send a few thousand of these illuminated care packages in with the natural water flow. Creative thinking at its best. Necessity

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    You just pray this is going to be well coordinated and get these poor kids out as soon as possible and that it doesn't turn into a "Too many cooks" situation. Terrible, terrible few days, what they mu

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They should make plastic bags filled with a burning light, food and air and let the river bring it to them in the cave.

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1 hour ago, Thian said:

They should make plastic bags filled with a burning light, food and air and let the river bring it to them in the cave.

This is an awesome idea. Everything else seems to have failed so why not send a few thousand of these illuminated care packages in with the natural water flow. Creative thinking at its best. Necessity is the mother of invention.

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5 minutes ago, neeray said:

This is an awesome idea. Everything else seems to have failed so why not send a few thousand of these illuminated care packages in with the natural water flow. Creative thinking at its best. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Yes throw some lights in first  their attention...then throw more balls with food, walkie talkie and a gps tracker so the rescueteams can find out where to drill..

 

 

 

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You just pray this is going to be well coordinated and get these poor kids out as soon as possible and that it doesn't turn into a "Too many cooks" situation. Terrible, terrible few days, what they must be going through does not bare thinking about.

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1 hour ago, Thian said:

Yes throw some lights in first  their attention...then throw more balls with food, walkie talkie and a gps tracker so the rescueteams can find out where to drill..

 

 

 

errr ... sorry friend, GPS trackers won't help in cave, they require full exposure to the Satellite signals above to obtain their position ... a compass will however, work in a cave, but to late to use a compass if you don't know where you are to start of with ...

 

I like the bag with lights in though it will give them a sign of hope

For what more peoples? And when I see that they coming with the camera ready to shut (selfie)....

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2 hours ago, neeray said:

This is an awesome idea. Everything else seems to have failed so why not send a few thousand of these illuminated care packages in with the natural water flow. Creative thinking at its best. Necessity is the mother of invention.

 

Except that when I last looked at the map of the cave, it was comprised of 2 or 3 high areas, separated by what looked like quite deep ponds or lakes. No river to carry anything continuously that I could see. Maybe creative but not that realistic according to my reading of the map.

 

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I really hope someone is in firm command at the site. With all these different teams at the site, it can easily turn into a planning nightmare, with one team saying we should do this, another team saying do that, all the while the Thai rescuers are busy catering and coordinating with all these different teams instead of actually trying to do some rescuing. I really hope someone is in firm command there.

2 hours ago, neeray said:

This is an awesome idea. Everything else seems to have failed so why not send a few thousand of these illuminated care packages in with the natural water flow. Creative thinking at its best. Necessity is the mother of invention.

That is all nice and fine if the water were flowing with a gap for air (these things would float). But if there are no air gaps (and there are not according to the divers) all these packages would get stuck. 

The waiting is just awful. 

The parents must be almost insane with worry. 

 

Just now, AlQaholic said:

I really hope someone is in firm command at the site. With all these different teams at the site, it can easily turn into a planning nightmare, with one team saying we should do this, another team saying do that, all the while the Thai rescuers are busy catering and coordinating with all these different teams instead of actually trying to do some rescuing. I really hope someone is in firm command there.

Yes, I was thinking that. 

The 3 brit divers do seem to have contributed some valuable information. 

Other than that, it's just more people for the Thai to take care of. 

1 minute ago, AlQaholic said:

I really hope someone is in firm command at the site. With all these different teams at the site, it can easily turn into a planning nightmare, with one team saying we should do this, another team saying do that, all the while the Thai rescuers are busy catering and coordinating with all these different teams instead of actually trying to do some rescuing. I really hope someone is in firm command there.

 

Sorry to say it but if you look at any collaborative exercise involving Thais, it's usually a complete bugger's muddle, too many cooks spoiling the broth. The pics suggest this is also happening here. Hard to tell from a long way re,ote, but in general, Thais don't do very good management, and it seems to me that management is important in this case.

1 minute ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Sorry to say it but if you look at any collaborative exercise involving Thais, it's usually a complete bugger's muddle, too many cooks spoiling the broth. The pics suggest this is also happening here. Hard to tell from a long way re,ote, but in general, Thais don't do very good management, and it seems to me that management is important in this case.

The only Thai organization I would put any trust in with regards to leadership and command would be the military. 

1 minute ago, greenchair said:

The waiting is just awful. 

The parents must be almost insane with worry. 

 

Ditto your words. I feel as sorry for the parents and family as I do for these little boys. The latter is a thought that I try not to think about prior to sleep time.

And when I wake, I instantly check my phone in hopes of seeing a positive NEWS FLASH.

But ......

57 minutes ago, British Bulldog said:

errr ... sorry friend, GPS trackers won't help in cave, they require full exposure to the Satellite signals above to obtain their position ... a compass will however, work in a cave, but to late to use a compass if you don't know where you are to start of with ...

 

I like the bag with lights in though it will give them a sign of hope

They can send them an epirb or emergency rescue transponder or so...there's plenty around for that purporse.

 

And i bet the boys will be happy with a plastic bag of somtam and a small light in it.

 

19 minutes ago, neeray said:

Ditto your words. I feel as sorry for the parents and family as I do for these little boys. The latter is a thought that I try not to think about prior to sleep time.

And when I wake, I instantly check my phone in hopes of seeing a positive NEWS FLASH.

But ......

I have been checking my phone every 15 to minutes hoping to see the headline , FOUND. Or at least we have made contact. It's really not looking good. 

11 minutes ago, neeray said:

 "unable to think a problem through"

Okay Mr Freaking Smartass. It's so easy to criticize other peoples ideas yet present none yourself. I guess we are not all as smart as you and your buddy and able to identify the direction of flow from the map. It was just a light thought that some other member started. Hardly rises to your insulting response.

Actually, there are multiple other considerations, for those who wish to think it through, that would need to be weighed carefully before implementing such an unusual plan.  Firstly, what happens to the bags if the boys do not catch them?  Where do they end up, and will they clog the pumps?  If the water from the cave ends up joining the aquifer feeding the local water table, how badly will the chemicals from the flashlights' batteries contaminate people's drinking water?  Besides, what potential harm would seeing a ghostly glow from some unexpected spectre do when the boys started back from it in terror?

 

An interesting alternative might be to use some bio-safe dye to color the water and track its movement.  This might reveal some valuable information, such as whether the water emerging from the recently drilled shafts is actually the cave's water.

Let's hope for a positive outcome.

11 minutes ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Actually, there are multiple other considerations, for those who wish to think it through, that would need to be weighed carefully before implementing such an unusual plan.  Firstly, what happens to the bags if the boys do not catch them?  Where do they end up, and will they clog the pumps?  If the water from the cave ends up joining the aquifer feeding the local water table, how badly will the chemicals from the flashlights' batteries contaminate people's drinking water?  Besides, what potential harm would seeing a ghostly glow from some unexpected spectre do when the boys started back from it in terror?

 

An interesting alternative might be to use some bio-safe dye to color the water and track its movement.  This might reveal some valuable information, such as whether the water emerging from the recently drilled shafts is actually the cave's water.

Negative Norman 

Great to see all the people from all over the world coming together to try to saves these children......

2 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Except that when I last looked at the map of the cave, it was comprised of 2 or 3 high areas, separated by what looked like quite deep ponds or lakes. No river to carry anything continuously that I could see. Maybe creative but not that realistic according to my reading of the map.

 

You miserable bugger .  Best idea of the day and you put a dampener on it , light at the end of the tunnel . Seriously I can't imagine being in the dark all this time , horrid , that and no food . One day a film will be made of this.

Do the International Assistance team got their "work permits"?

2 hours ago, AlQaholic said:

I really hope someone is in firm command at the site. With all these different teams at the site, it can easily turn into a planning nightmare, with one team saying we should do this, another team saying do that, all the while the Thai rescuers are busy catering and coordinating with all these different teams instead of actually trying to do some rescuing. I really hope someone is in firm command there.

My thoughts too , as someone posted above ' Too many cooks spoil the broth ' . Now we are getting experts from more countries offering more folk for a photo shoot.  It can't take 300 people to go into the caves or drill from the top , enough is enough and I do think about these lads every day all day.

6 hours ago, neeray said:

This is an awesome idea. Everything else seems to have failed so why not send a few thousand of these illuminated care packages in with the natural water flow. Creative thinking at its best. Necessity is the mother of invention.

With modern technology & the expertise of real cave divers present I think your  method is rather archaic.. clutching at straws..

Let the experts evaluate what is really going to benefit the stranded team rather than just "throwing in" plastic bags in the hope something might reach them... 

I hope the joint efforts of overseas rescuers are splitting into separate teams & try to get to them from different points at the same time, as well as continuing to pump out as much water as possible so the divers have a better chance! 

If it was my child in the cave & all I saw was "plastic bags" being thrown in I'd be asking a few pertinent questions about what the hell was going on!!

2 hours ago, toofarnorth said:

You miserable bugger .  Best idea of the day and you put a dampener on it , light at the end of the tunnel . Seriously I can't imagine being in the dark all this time , horrid , that and no food . One day a film will be made of this.

 

 

Well, if I can put a damper on it in a few thought-out words, it couldn't have been a very good idea to start with now could it? Maybe you thought it was a great idea though, so I'm sorry if it took 20 seconds to rain on your parade. Sorry but not *very* sorry, as you rightly observe, I;m a miserable bugger. Life's lessons learned well.

 

And please, this is a public forum so mind your manners, Manners maketh the man and by being rude you only put your lack of class on display. Personally I don't mind, I am not insult-able by yobbos of any ilk or nationality but you're only making yourself look foolish.

Edited by KiwiKiwi

The main thing these kids need right now is hope. Hope that someone is coming to help them. They should take a few hundred glow sticks and put that simple message on each of them, in permanent marker, before dropping them into every stream or chimney they can find on that mountain. If even one makes it to them atleast they will know they are not alone and help is coming.

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8 hours ago, Thian said:

They should make plastic bags filled with a burning light, food and air and let the river bring it to them in the cave.

Really!!!!!!

Try engaging your brain before speaking.... 

The hoses and pumps are already having a hard time pumping water out of the cave...

where do you think all those plastic bags are going to end up?

Blocking the filters in the pumps which are trying to get rid of water!!!!!

Yet you think filling up the caverns with more rubbish is going to help... 

glad you're an armchair rescuer rather than at the site trying to save lives!!

This isn't like floating candles down the Klong at Loy Krathong festival !!!!!!

8 hours ago, Thian said:

They should make plastic bags filled with a burning light, food and air and let the river bring it to them in the cave.

 

Looks like someone reads the TV forum. Congratulations on your idea!


Survival boxes to be dropped in cave waterways

 

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