sanemax Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, kannot said: its what Ive come to expect but will be batted down by Thai lovers. Any work carried out , where the workers seek financial reimbursement , needs to be legal work carried out and he was just asking whether they had the correct permits to make it legal ,so that they could collect reimbursements , if necessary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, sanemax said: Any work carried out , where the workers seek financial reimbursement , needs to be legal work carried out and he was just asking whether they had the correct permits to make it legal ,so that they could collect reimbursements , if necessary Sounds even worse, like folk will just turn up do nothing and then asked to get paid. Wonder how long it takes to get a "permit" to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, JAG said: "Pol Gen Srivara Rangsibrahmanagul, the national deputy chief, has come under attacks in the social media for what is seen as an act of intimidation toward officials working to save the lives of the 12 young footballers and their coach trapped in Tham Luang Cave. A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave went viral on the last few days. It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission. An official was trying to use a drone to survey the mountain to look for shafts through which search and rescue officials could get down into the cave when Pol Gen Srivara intervened to question whether he had received proper permission to do so." Perhaps Pol Gen Srivara could undertake an experiment personally, to find out... Unfortunately, given the personalities involved, this kind of scenario was inevitable. Peeing contests abound, indeed, in the 3rd world, hierarchical matters are often only resolved only by contests or the 'old pals' clubs. You can't expect 1st-world approaches in a 3rd-world country, and I imagine the international helpers must be chewing their hats at some of the things they see. Not that they would aver say that of course, one hopes they would be too professional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chang1 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, sanemax said: Any work carried out , where the workers seek financial reimbursement , needs to be legal work carried out and he was just asking whether they had the correct permits to make it legal ,so that they could collect reimbursements , if necessary "It was his use of language and stern manner that irked social media users who expressed sympathy with the officials on the rescue mission." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Deerhunter Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 The phrase to do with pi$$up$ in a brewery - springs to mind. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post timber Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 There should be one experienced person coordinating activities. Some how I think there are too many people doing too many things getting in each others way. What happens is there is a lack of support for the work with the highest priority. People with little experience directing activities they know little about, but have enough status to adversely effect priorities in the search. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, pegman said: Up to about 2 months with water. Bobby Sands lasted 66 days on his hunger strike. Depends on stored energy available, energy being expended, ambient temperature, mental state. Normally a body will start (fasting) utilising stored reserves after 3/4 days and use these until all used - after which starvation kicks in. Being lean Thai kids I would think their reserves will be fairly low, so very difficult to put a time on it - maybe 2 weeks before the starvation stage kicks in and then it's down hill from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smew Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Sounds like normal day to day functionality on Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timber Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Is generally a lot cooler in caves. What about hypothermia? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, timber said: There should be one experienced person coordinating activities. Some how I think there are too many people doing too many things getting in each others way. What happens is there is a lack of support for the work with the highest priority. People with little experience directing activities they know little about, but have enough status to adversely effect priorities in the search. How do you know this? Are you privy to information about the management of this rescue mission that others here (including myself) profoundly lack? Edited June 30, 2018 by Odysseus123 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manhood Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Who is surprised of lack of coordination! Thats what thai never learned to do! But too many run around as beeing important and giving maybe stupid advices the teams should follow instead having a head of team to organize and they coordinate and nobody else....... But the old stupid style of following competence by ranking instead of knowledge and seniority instead of using new guys with new technology and yes i forget: loosing face makes loosing time and maybe loosing the life of the kids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post atyclb Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 i hope there is a good ending 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, manhood said: Who is surprised of lack of coordination! Thats what thai never learned to do! But too many run around as beeing important and giving maybe stupid advices the teams should follow instead having a head of team to organize and they coordinate and nobody else....... But the old stupid style of following competence by ranking instead of knowledge and seniority instead of using new guys with new technology and yes i forget: loosing face makes loosing time and maybe loosing the life of the kids! how do you know this? Are you privy to information about the management of this mission that others lack? Have you any real insight into the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyouThai Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan B Tong Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Continuing to believe the boys will abide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, SlyouThai said: something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ? Yet another internet "Hindenburg" So not only do the Thai,Laotians,British and US personnel not know what they are doing..not only have they explained over and over the intricacies and complexities of this mission but they should have had information to hand presumably sent to them by Martians... The graphics of the main cave are readily accessible..if you can get in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, SlyouThai said: something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ? The cave has not been fully mapped , its unsure whether people have been been to the end of the cave . There are many caves in the World that havent been explored and no ones been to the end and are unmapped 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 The chamber is connected to the dry area dubbed Pattaya Beach where the missing team is believed to be sheltering. I'm not a resue expert, but how could they possibly flee from the fast-rising water level if they were not far inside to reach Pattaya? BTW, who knows what the chamber, called Pattaya looks like now? And low oxygen levels would indicate a small chance of finding any survivors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, sanemax said: The cave has not been fully mapped , its unsure whether people have been been to the end of the cave . There are many caves in the World that havent been explored and no ones been to the end and are unmapped There might be some skeletons of people who've tried to reach the end. And they basically did reach the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudd Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Cave divers need to be made aware of a specially dangerous area- The last cave has a set of pillars the water drains through There is an accessible ledge and a small cavern right there to the right But dont go any further As part of the water drainage there is a large vertical shaft with sides worn smooth as glass just past the pillars It appears that this is formed by a large whirlpool This would be an extremely dangerous area 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todlad Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: how do you know this? Are you privy to information about the management of this mission that others lack? Have you any real insight into the matter? He learned it at the Polly Parrot School of Repeat After Me. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, rooster59 said: Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole in the cave ... Seriously? I know the RTP has a strange idea of law, order and authority, but is its deputy chief really that stupid? If so, I should hope the CR governor gave him a bo__ocking and sent him on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 I really hope that this latest revelation of dis-coordination is not correct....but understanding Thais, it's possible. Surely the international teams and individuals would offer their knowledge and assistance........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, sanemax said: The cave has not been fully mapped , its unsure whether people have been been to the end of the cave . There are many caves in the World that havent been explored and no ones been to the end and are unmapped I think that's the crux of this......no-one is sure of the cave' mapping and diversity...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, SlyouThai said: something i really dont understand in this story... This cave is here since thousands of year , how come they dont know where are the others possible entrance yet etc ? i keep reading they are sending drones etc i mean probably hundred of people went to explore around , nobody made a clear map or something ? It's out in the boonies, limited population, remote, the country side fairly inaccessible and why is there a need to map or worry about other entrances. Look at a few of the pictures posted to get an idea of its location. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said: I think that's the crux of this......no-one is sure of the cave' mapping and diversity...... The crux of the matter are the present climate,the dangers of penetrating the cave under extremely adverse weather conditions and the sheer scale of the cave system. As explained time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Fairfield Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Thai TV interviews US soldier at Tham Luang cave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: The crux of the matter are the present climate,the dangers of penetrating the cave under extremely adverse weather conditions and the sheer scale of the cave system. As explained time and time again. What are you talking about, the barstool, ex SAS, mine recovery specialist, deep sea divers etc, could have knocked this over on day 1 well before breakfast had have they been asked. As a bit of a side issue, of which I may or not be correct is, I have been told this is the first major cave rescue even undertaken by Thailand. True /false - I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 If this moaner is a coordinator, tell him to do his job then not blab to the media 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chingmai331 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Very unfortunately, this will not be a rescue but rather a recovery. And even that may take months to complete. A very sad story. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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