UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, bomber said:

JLR announced a few months ago that land rover or range rover i cannot recall production was been moved to slovakia,its a start.

Yes would a little help of €125m subsidy from the Slovakian Goverment and its the Landrover Discovery model ,  I don't think the Landrover models excluding the Range Rover series command the same premium price as a Jaguar or Aston Martin

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/european-commission-investigates-slovakian-aid-jaguar-land-rover-plant

[melvinmelvin]

14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Jaguar Land Rover and Aston Martin cars command a premium price in the USA and China because they are british marque Their sales  literature mentions the fact numerous it also mentions the History and  heritage of their vehicles designed in the UK built in the UK, Those vehicles wouldn't be able to command the same premium price to USA and Chinese customers if the vehicles are not built in the UK  and Jaguar Landrover and Aston Martin are fully aware of that issue.

well, not sure I agree with that, BMW-MERC BENZ-AUDI-BRABUS also command stiff prices,

Jag produced in Germany could not be sold at high price?

 

wake up Jensen, do something proper out of Allard

 

ayway, this is a niche activity

 

[melvinmelvin]

22 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Initially water and rail.  Also, it's not wholesale nationalisation.  They would be run along the lines of major public companies, no doubt using Scottish Water as the successful template.  Broadly, there is public support.

 

Great idea in my view- after all Brexit is about taking control.

well don't know about great idea - but could of course work

 

sceptical to include rolling stock in the exercise though

 

[AlexRich]

50 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And I don't know of anyone that has said those exports will be stopped after Brexit in the same way 82% of all cars in the UK are imported from the EU, now if the EU wants to slap on Tariffs for UK to EU imports the Uk will do the same, If the EU choose the option of tariff free cars from the UK to EU i am sure the UK will apply the same rules

 

 

The reality is that jobs and production will fall without a deal, and not just in car manufacturing, and whatever % of exports cars represent that is a very poor outcome. I have heard very few business people, large or small, express eagerness for a no deal outcome ... that tells you something. It's not good.

[bomber]

25 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Initially water and rail.  Also, it's not wholesale nationalisation.  They would be run along the lines of major public companies, no doubt using Scottish Water as the successful template.  Broadly, there is public support.

 

Great idea in my view- after all Brexit is about taking control.

BBC have asked for a live debate TM has accepted JC is not happy, he wants it to be on ITV what a knob,surely the nationalised TV network is better than a money making independent network,what about a neutral location then,Gaza City 

[AlexRich]

44 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Once again clearly you don't understand what your talking about as a general rule as history will show you if you bothered to engage your brain instead of spouting rubbish when Sterling is down Stocks Markets are up

UK stock markets soar as sterling slumps

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-3838513/Why-falling-pound-helped-shares-soar-cent-sterling-lost-FTSE-flown-higher-higher.html

 

When Sterling is down the FTSE 100 is up, because this comprises of multinationals like BP and Unilever who sell and buy in US dollars. UK domestic companies like Banks, Housebuilders and retailers will tank, because anything they buy in US dollars will be more expensive, not to mention that their domestic demand will be lower. 

 

[baboon]

17 minutes ago, bomber said:

so when can i expect a water shortage to go with the power cuts? and lets nor forget all them rail workers deserve a 25% pay rise,and dont forget the tube drivers £850 a week for 36 hours is slave labour for sitting on their arse's,give them £1150 and keep the red flag flying high

Tube drivers stand up for themselves. Nurses don't. Why do you think it might be that one job is well paid and the other isn't...?

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

 

The reality is that jobs and production will fall without a deal, and not just in car manufacturing, and whatever % of exports cars represent that is a very poor outcome. I have heard very few business people, large or small, express eagerness for a no deal outcome ... that tells you something. It's not good.

The same can be said for public listed company CEO calling for a 2nd referendum or to ignore the Brexit vote , trying to convince your shareholders that ignoring 17.4 million people is good for your business doesn't cut it with the shareholders

[AlexRich]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The same can be said for public listed company CEO calling for a 2nd referendum or to ignore the Brexit vote , trying to convince your shareholders that ignoring 17.4 million people is good for your business doesn't cut it with the shareholders

 

If you are a shareholder in UK domestic stocks you would prefer no Brexit or an extremely soft Brexit. The idea that these people would welcome the financial hit that a no deal Brexit would bring is nonsensical. If we end up with a people's vote I think you will discover that you no longer have 17.4 million supporting leave ... it will get kicked into touch. Many prominent CEO's are warning about this outcome, so they don't seem to be that concerned about what the leave voters reaction will be. If you only buy in companies that support Brexit you'll have a Dyson, a JCB and you'll get your food and drink in Wetherspoons. 

[StreetCowboy]

27 minutes ago, baboon said:

Tube drivers stand up for themselves. Nurses don't. Why do you think it might be that one job is well paid and the other isn't...?

They sit on their <deleted>.  Nurses run about all day.

Tube drivers could be replaced by automation tomorrow. Nurses could not.

[bomber]

30 minutes ago, baboon said:

Tube drivers stand up for themselves. Nurses don't. Why do you think it might be that one job is well paid and the other isn't...?

nurses are well paid and have jobs for life and a pension,they know it,tube drivers cause havoc and have london by the balls and they know it,other rail networks are now following their line,hence big increases in fare's,once JC takes over it will get worse,a return to the 70s hitting what little industry is left and most foreign companies moving out is the outcome,unemployment will rise the tories win the the following election and have to clean up the mess as per usual

[bomber]

3 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

They sit on their <deleted>.  Nurses run about all day.

Tube drivers could be replaced by automation tomorrow. Nurses could not.

the sooner the better

[bomber]

35 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

If you are a shareholder in UK domestic stocks you would prefer no Brexit or an extremely soft Brexit. The idea that these people would welcome the financial hit that a no deal Brexit would bring is nonsensical. If we end up with a people's vote I think you will discover that you no longer have 17.4 million supporting leave ... it will get kicked into touch. Many prominent CEO's are warning about this outcome, so they don't seem to be that concerned about what the leave voters reaction will be. If you only buy in companies that support Brexit you'll have a Dyson, a JCB and you'll get your food and drink in Wetherspoons. 

not many of the 17.4 million leave voters know much about stocks/shares its of little interest,the price of a pint at the local spoonies is all that matters.

[baboon]

15 minutes ago, bomber said:

nurses are well paid and have jobs for life and a pension,they know it,tube drivers cause havoc and have london by the balls and they know it,other rail networks are now following their line,hence big increases in fare's,once JC takes over it will get worse,a return to the 70s hitting what little industry is left and most foreign companies moving out is the outcome,unemployment will rise the tories win the the following election and have to clean up the mess as per usual

I would settle for a return to the 70s anyday over the Dickensian dystopia certain posters seem to be hankering after...

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, bomber said:

pound is a tad above a 20 year low,the day before brexit is was around 53.5 a no deal would of boosted it to probably 55-57 also GDP would of been higher and inflation lower so possibly it could of been nearer 60,instead its averaged 43 thats a 25% hit and its more or less across all currencies,the extra money spent by brits overseas since brexit must be into the billions and rising,money that could of been spent in the UK,of all the predictions the drop in sterling was the one that was spot on and will be the same again if/when we do leave for good,most of carneys other worst case predictions look to be OTT and my thinking is cut them in half and you wont be far away from reality,so basically were still donald ducked. 

You forex wizards always forget the appreciation of the THB. Oh well....zzzzz.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

re Corbyn et al,

 

which are the industries he considers for nationalisation?

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/22/in-government-uks-labour-would-nationalize-quickly-finance-spokesman-says.html

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up Public Ownership Unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

"We're going to bring back into public ownership rail, water, energy and mail. We will get this legislation through in the first (policy program) Queen's Speech - we want to hit the deck running," he told the Daily Mirror ahead of the conference taking place in Liverpool this weekend.

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up a public ownership unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Pompous Brexiteering at its best.

Pompous! Cracks me up! 

 

Biscuit? ????.

Oh just take the whole pack.

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/22/in-government-uks-labour-would-nationalize-quickly-finance-spokesman-says.html

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up Public Ownership Unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

"We're going to bring back into public ownership rail, water, energy and mail. We will get this legislation through in the first (policy program) Queen's Speech - we want to hit the deck running," he told the Daily Mirror ahead of the conference taking place in Liverpool this weekend.

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up a public ownership unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

You might also wish to add in bold font, "In some cases" to stay contextual.

 

If one invests in Blackjack or Poker at one's local casino, is the casino then liable for any losses incurred? 'Investing' just being a highbrow term for what it is, in fact, 'Gambling'....

[melvinmelvin]

10 minutes ago, billd766 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/22/in-government-uks-labour-would-nationalize-quickly-finance-spokesman-says.html

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up Public Ownership Unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

"We're going to bring back into public ownership rail, water, energy and mail. We will get this legislation through in the first (policy program) Queen's Speech - we want to hit the deck running," he told the Daily Mirror ahead of the conference taking place in Liverpool this weekend.

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up a public ownership unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

well,

if he does, ministry of finance is the WRONG ministry

 

might not be compensated? cool, would certainly boost foggy island's global image and facilitate trade deals

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Tube drivers stand up for themselves. Nurses don't. Why do you think it might be that one job is well paid and the other isn't...?

Because the nurses care.

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, bomber said:

not many of the 17.4 million leave voters know much about stocks/shares its of little interest,the price of a pint at the local spoonies is all that matters.

It just gets worse, eh Warren?

[baboon]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Because the nurses care.

Another one who refuses to address the actual point.

[tebee]

Words fail me.....

[StreetCowboy]

12 minutes ago, baboon said:

You might also wish to add in bold font, "In some cases" to stay contextual.

 

If one invests in Blackjack or Poker at one's local casino, is the casino then liable for any losses incurred? 'Investing' just being a highbrow term for what it is, in fact, 'Gambling'....

Interestingly, s I understand, contracts for gambling are not generally legally enforceable - hence why the bookie insists on cash up front.

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, billd766 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/22/in-government-uks-labour-would-nationalize-quickly-finance-spokesman-says.html

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up Public Ownership Unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

"We're going to bring back into public ownership rail, water, energy and mail. We will get this legislation through in the first (policy program) Queen's Speech - we want to hit the deck running," he told the Daily Mirror ahead of the conference taking place in Liverpool this weekend.

 

John McDonnell said Labour would set up a public ownership unit in the finance ministry "immediately" on entering government, and that in some cases investors might not be compensated.

Well for all that we need to be completely out of the EU, Bill.

[baboon]

3 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Interestingly, s I understand, contracts for gambling are not generally legally enforceable - hence why the bookie insists on cash up front.

I give up. I really do...

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, tebee said:

Words fail me.....

Don't be so hard on yourself..... 

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, baboon said:

Another one who refuses to address the actual point.

The point is that some professional people still possess dedication, pride and a conscience. 

 

But it sounds like you wouldn't be able to relate to that 

[StreetCowboy]

3 minutes ago, baboon said:

I give up. I really do...

Never Surrender!

if that takes you to Galaxy Quest, try

Never Surrender Never Give InNever Let The Enemy Win which should take you to a motivational song encouraging you to greater effort by an English band of motivational speakers

[melvinmelvin]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well for all that we need to be completely out of the EU, Bill.

right

can't do that as long as you have to adhere to EU legislation,

you could probably let the government in on these markets

and start compete with the private sector, but cannot kick private sector out and run the market alone

 

so, in umpteen years time - when UK are free of EU legislation,

can take over the trains and the envelopes