UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[billd766]

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Re post 2nd w war council housing..high standard..ESPECIALLY THE HIGH FLATS LOADED WITH ASBESTOS!!!

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Not to mention the prefab houses.

 

 

[nontabury]

22 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Rubbish there are so many opportunities no one needs to be in poverty. There’s hardly any unemployment plenty of work it is a utopia.

 

 

The reality is very different. There are hundreds of thousand,who are not classified as unemployed due to them working a few hours a week at mimimum wages,Their earnings are subsidized by working credits,amongst other benefits. Likewise many are in private rented accommodation. Theses private houses,flats or whatever, are not owed by individual,such as ex-pats in Thailand, who rent out their property in order to financially support their life in Thailand. They are owed by very rich individuals and companies, who are only too happy to receive the tax payers financed, housing benefits. It’s all smoke and mirrors in order to fool people into thinking everything’s running smoothly.

  True there is The other side of the coin,in that a section of the community are indeed exploiting the system, but please don’t fall into the trap that this relates to the vast majority.

[mogandave]

The reality is very different. There are hundreds of thousand,who are not classified as unemployed due to them working a few hours a week at mimimum wages,Their earnings are subsidized by working credits,amongst other benefits. Likewise many are in private rented accommodation. Theses private houses,flats or whatever, are not owed by individual,such as ex-pats in Thailand, who rent out their property in order to financially support their life in Thailand. They are owed by very rich individuals and companies, who are only too happy to receive the tax payers financed, housing benefits. It’s all smoke and mirrors in order to fool people into thinking everything’s running smoothly.
  True there is The other side of the coin,in that a section of the community are indeed exploiting the system, but please don’t fall into the trap that this relates to the vast majority.

Clearly no one thinks it’s running smoothly, the only issue is whether or not making the government bigger and giving more “free” stuff is going to make things better.

[mogandave]

It’s always the greedy rich and the evil corporations...

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

That people believe prosperity will come through redistribution is sad.

I remember when a tradesman earned as much or more than an engineer. What has changed?

The money now goes to celebrities, sports people, managers and HR staff. Not to engineer, scientists, artisans or tradesmen. These days one is paid what one can demand. Are we happier now?

 

Some senior manager at Persimmon Homes has justed pocketed a 75M bonus. Enough for 750 good houses. I doubt that would happen in the EU

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Re post 2nd w war council housing..high standard..ESPECIALLY THE HIGH FLATS LOADED WITH ASBESTOS!!!

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True but that issue was not known at the time. Private house had no insulation at that time

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

"Shall I go on?" I'd rather you didn't.

 

Quite an eclectic list, the only ones I have an issue are,

 

Universities, judging by some remainers on here with a Uni education I would like to think non of my hard earned taxes went into funding their education.

 

The BBC, now run by young liberals (I'll leave that hanging there)

 

When you say "pomp", do you mean a bicycle pomp?

 

Grouse shooting, definately, why even have a close season.

 

Fly fishing, only tried it once, but I did catch a 5lb bluebottle.

 

But all in all not a bad list.????

Sorry, I should have stated Russell Group universities.

[mogandave]

The money now goes to celebrities, sports people, managers and HR staff. Not to engineer, scientists, artisans or tradesmen. These days one is paid what one can demand. Are we happier now?
 
Some senior manager at Persimmon Homes has justed pocketed a 75M bonus. Enough for 750 good houses. I doubt that would happen in the EU

So what has changed?

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

The BBC how are they good it appears they have a lefty, pro young, pro socialist, Europhile biased attitude.

And you have a righty, pro old, pro nazi, Europhobe biased attitude? Spare us please

[Grouse]

15 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

So what has changed?

 

Social justice

civil society 

egalatarianism

common decency

courtesy

 

You probably didn't notice

 

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

There is no true poverty it’s a joke!

 

There are poor people Most is down to lazyness and lack of learning the language?

Is that why you are poor?

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

Grouse I am surprised at your assumptions.

 

I lived in a post war council house was good size with a garden with my Grandad for a bit.

 

When my grandad got it he had council inspections to check things like garden was maintained etc, he considered it a privallage not a right ‘ it was his home fit for heroes’ so loved the place.

 

Now people don’t all appreciate what they have, drive through most of these estates you will see how bad people treat what they have been effectively given. Interestingly most of the sold off houses look much better. The council stopped inspecting as couldn’t get bad tenants out in any case. As still had to house the kids.

 

BTW he bought his at a discount and it allowed when he passed away to so the money allowed us get our first houses as we couldn’t have otherwise got the deposits, so really the Tories shared wealth to poor people who could not otherwise afford their own house. So well done to Thatcher!

 

Did you buy yours or still rent it, or are you talking not from your own experience, but your perception of how it really was for those involved?

Why should the state support your capital?

 

You were provided with a house of decent quality at modest rent.

 

Why did your family not use that advantageous position to build some capital, move on, and leave the property in good shape for others?

 

????

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

It’s always the greedy rich and the evil corporations...

I am neither greedy nor evil

[tebee]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

[kwilco]

It seems unlike but I wonder if Brexiteers can differentiate between fake news and satire......

 

Let's see.......

 

IwAR1zNAjgFv3CQA0Yl75wpQpA0Pq4mkIuSXfakxpB9C7Ew8V1yZADSryvjuA

 

 

[kwilco]

It seems unlikely but I wonder if Brexiteers can differentiate between fake news and satire......

 

Let's see.......

 

Quote

http://newsthump.com/2018/11/07/nation-shocked-as-companies-that-said-they-would-relocate-because-of-brexit-suddenly-relocate/?fbclid=IwAR1zNAjgFv3CQA0Yl75wpQpA0Pq4mkIuSXfakxpB9C7Ew8V1yZADSryvjuA

http://newsthump.com/2018/11/07/nation-shocked-as-companies-that-said-they-would-relocate-because-of-brexit-suddenly-relocate/?fbclid=IwAR1zNAjgFv3CQA0Yl75wpQpA0Pq4mkIuSXfakxpB9C7Ew8V1yZADSryvjuA

 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by kwilco

[nontabury]

 

The remoaners keep on about the monetary aspect of leaving the E.U.

They keep phrophetsising doom and gloom when we finally leave, but that is based on their own opinions or the opinions of certain interest groups. And to be fair they could be right, we just do not know, equally the U.K could prosper when we leave the controls of Brussels.

 But what about democracy, or should I say the lack of democracy in the E.U. Personally I consider this to be the most important aspect of our attachment to Brussels. So I will give you the veiws of a long standing parliamentarian, a person whom I disagreed with most of the time. He does touch upon the subject of who is ultimately responsible for implementing the wishes of the electorate, P.M’s or the people.

So he’s worth listening to.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by nontabury

[Guest]

Here is a interview of one of the leading candidates for the next EU president.

 

At the end of the video there is also some talk about Italy and budget. 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, kwilco said:

It seems unlike but I wonder if Brexiteers can differentiate between fake news and satire......

 

Let's see.......

 

IwAR1zNAjgFv3CQA0Yl75wpQpA0Pq4mkIuSXfakxpB9C7Ew8V1yZADSryvjuA

 

 

Not sure, but I can differentiate between a good link and a crap link!

[Patriot1066]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not sure, but I can differentiate between a good link and a crap link!

Looks good????

[Grouse]

48 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Here is a interview of one of the leading candidates for the next EU president.

 

At the end of the video there is also some talk about Italy and budget. 

 

 

 

Good man!

[aright]

[billd766]

I received this email from Petitions: UK Government and Parliament

 

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership”.

Government responded:

A clear majority of the electorate voted to leave the European Union. We must respect both the will of the British people, and the democratic process which delivered this result.

The Government is clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and that we will not hold a second referendum.

A clear majority of the electorate voted to leave the European Union in the 2016 referendum. Almost three quarters of the electorate took part in the referendum, resulting in 17.4 million votes to leave the European Union. This is the highest number of votes cast for anything in UK electoral history. This was the biggest democratic mandate for a course of action ever directed at any UK Government.

Parliament then overwhelmingly confirmed the result of the referendum by voting with clear and convincing majorities in both of its Houses for the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

In last year’s General Election, over 80% of people then also voted for parties committing to respect the result of the referendum - it was the stated policy of both major parties that the decision of the people would be respected. The Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will expressed by the electorate in the referendum - respecting both the will of the British people, and the democratic process which delivered the referendum result.

The British people must be able to trust in its Government both to effect their will, and to deliver the best outcome for them. As the Prime Minister has said: “This is about more than the decision to leave the EU; it is about whether the public can trust their politicians to put in place the decision they took.” In upholding that directive to withdraw from the European Union, the Government is delivering on that promise. We recognise that to do otherwise would be to undermine the decision of the British people, and to disrespect the powerful democratic values of this country and this government.

The Government therefore continues to be committed to delivering on the instruction given to us by the British people: working to overcome the challenges and seize the opportunities this brings to deliver an outcome which betters the lives of British people - whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

The people of the United Kingdom gave a clear instruction and the Government is committed to seeing that through. We will leave the European Union on 29 March 2019.

Department for Exiting the European Union

[Patriot1066]

15 minutes ago, aright said:

Best not be or the Tories will be unelectable

[kwilco]

Jesus wept!

 

 

[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I received this email from Petitions: UK Government and Parliament

 

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership”.

Government responded:

A clear majority of the electorate voted to leave the European Union. We must respect both the will of the British people, and the democratic process which delivered this result.

The Government is clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and that we will not hold a second referendum.

A clear majority of the electorate voted to leave the European Union in the 2016 referendum. Almost three quarters of the electorate took part in the referendum, resulting in 17.4 million votes to leave the European Union. This is the highest number of votes cast for anything in UK electoral history. This was the biggest democratic mandate for a course of action ever directed at any UK Government.

Parliament then overwhelmingly confirmed the result of the referendum by voting with clear and convincing majorities in both of its Houses for the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

In last year’s General Election, over 80% of people then also voted for parties committing to respect the result of the referendum - it was the stated policy of both major parties that the decision of the people would be respected. The Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will expressed by the electorate in the referendum - respecting both the will of the British people, and the democratic process which delivered the referendum result.

The British people must be able to trust in its Government both to effect their will, and to deliver the best outcome for them. As the Prime Minister has said: “This is about more than the decision to leave the EU; it is about whether the public can trust their politicians to put in place the decision they took.” In upholding that directive to withdraw from the European Union, the Government is delivering on that promise. We recognise that to do otherwise would be to undermine the decision of the British people, and to disrespect the powerful democratic values of this country and this government.

The Government therefore continues to be committed to delivering on the instruction given to us by the British people: working to overcome the challenges and seize the opportunities this brings to deliver an outcome which betters the lives of British people - whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

The people of the United Kingdom gave a clear instruction and the Government is committed to seeing that through. We will leave the European Union on 29 March 2019.

Department for Exiting the European Union

But the parliament is pro remain so it is going to get very sticky.

[kwilco]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I received this email from Petitions: UK Government and Parliament

 

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership”.

Government responded:

A clear majority of the electorate voted to leave the European Union. We must respect both the will of the British people, and the democratic process which delivered this result.

The Government is clear that we will respect the result of the 2016 referendum, and that we will not hold a second referendum.

A clear majority of the electorate voted to leave the European Union in the 2016 referendum. Almost three quarters of the electorate took part in the referendum, resulting in 17.4 million votes to leave the European Union. This is the highest number of votes cast for anything in UK electoral history. This was the biggest democratic mandate for a course of action ever directed at any UK Government.

Parliament then overwhelmingly confirmed the result of the referendum by voting with clear and convincing majorities in both of its Houses for the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

In last year’s General Election, over 80% of people then also voted for parties committing to respect the result of the referendum - it was the stated policy of both major parties that the decision of the people would be respected. The Government is clear that it is now its duty to implement the will expressed by the electorate in the referendum - respecting both the will of the British people, and the democratic process which delivered the referendum result.

The British people must be able to trust in its Government both to effect their will, and to deliver the best outcome for them. As the Prime Minister has said: “This is about more than the decision to leave the EU; it is about whether the public can trust their politicians to put in place the decision they took.” In upholding that directive to withdraw from the European Union, the Government is delivering on that promise. We recognise that to do otherwise would be to undermine the decision of the British people, and to disrespect the powerful democratic values of this country and this government.

The Government therefore continues to be committed to delivering on the instruction given to us by the British people: working to overcome the challenges and seize the opportunities this brings to deliver an outcome which betters the lives of British people - whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

The people of the United Kingdom gave a clear instruction and the Government is committed to seeing that through. We will leave the European Union on 29 March 2019.

Department for Exiting the European Union

...and then spend the next 10 to 20 years reversing that <deleted>

[Patriot1066]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

Jesus wept!

 

 

By the not so Independent Independent.

 

But the death penalty should be brought back will the Independant need a peoples survey just to check?

 

 

[Patriot1066]

Just now, kwilco said:

...and then spend the next 10 to 20 years reversing that <deleted>

when we leave the EU will start to fade into oblivion. So we don't need to worry about 20 years into the future as in its present form it will not exist.

[kwilco]

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not sure, but I can differentiate between a good link and a crap link!

Apparently not!!!

http://newsthump.com/2018/11/07/nation-shocked-as-companies-that-said-they-would-relocate-because-of-brexit-suddenly-relocate/?fbclid=IwAR1zNAjgFv3CQA0Yl75wpQpA0Pq4mkIuSXfakxpB9C7Ew8V1yZADSryvjuA