Barging in front of the handicapped - is this the famous "Thainess" we hear about?

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

I'm surprised they got up for you. In my experience, generally, they don't show foreigners the same social graces they do with each other.

And long may that continue!

 

Uppity bloody farangs. Our time was about 40 years ago.

 

That was then, this is now.

[Odysseus123]

Curiously enough I am in two minds about this subject.

 

Many Thais were extremely good to me (wheelchair bound) but the whole queue thing was an entirely different matter as it was 'Survival of the Fittest' and not much else.

 

This woman is to be commended as anything that raises the plight of the physically disabled in Thailand should be praised and commented upon.

 

Well done,girl!

[Fex Bluse]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

And long may that continue!

 

Uppity bloody farangs. Our time was about 40 years ago.

 

That was then, this is now.

Quality cultures produce quality people. Japanese, for instance, show the same respect for foreigners and nationals alike. Same is true for most modern western countries. 

 

 

[Fex Bluse]

5 minutes ago, MartinL said:

Probably in that same Big C, I've been known to move the trolleys of these inconsiderate buggers to the next aisle while they're not looking. Their look of confusion when they return to a vanished trolley is quite amusing.

I move them and load them up with other stuff. We should all start doing this nationally. 

[MartinL]

2 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

Actually the social decay is both obvious and rapid. 7 years when we road the BTS with our first baby there were alway several passengers volunteering to surrender their seats. 4 and a half years later with our second baby it became a rare occurrence.

On my very recent first and only trip on BTS after 10 years here - albeit in the NE - I was absolutely amazed to see people jumping up out of their seats, without a second's hesitation, so that a Prathom-aged schoolkid could sit down. Some of those vacating their seats weren't young either.

 

I even had one kid staring intently at me for not moving for him but he was out of luck - he had to stand and didn't seem to like it!

[NanLaew]

3 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Quality cultures produce quality people. Japanese, for instance, show the same respect for foreigners and nationals alike. Same is true for most modern western countries. 

 

 

So you reckon Japan has a more open, honest and altogether more accommodating cultural trait towards round-eyes than Thailand has?

[bluesofa]

3 hours ago, colinneil said:

Well i understand the lady, i see it many times.

Strange thing is i find 50% of the people here will go out of their way to help, the other 50% are pil+++ks.

I find it is mostly middle age to older women who are inconsiderate.

When i go to big C on my scooter, some older women deliberately block me with their trolleys, some even leave them in my way and walk off getting things off shelves a fair distance away.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them, but there does seem to be a lack of 'spatial awareness' here regarding people beware of what's around them.

Not looking around, or thinking ahead by even ten seconds, I see that as one of the factors towards the high number of traffic accidents here.

 

[NanLaew]

2 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

I move them and load them up with other stuff. We should all start doing this nationally. 

That is GOLD!

 

I'm starting this afternoon at Tesco-Lotus!

 

...because I mostly shop at Big C.

 

(the old don't sh!t where you eat mantra)

[Fex Bluse]

15 minutes ago, MartinL said:

On my very recent first and only trip on BTS after 10 years here - albeit in the NE - I was absolutely amazed to see people jumping up out of their seats, without a second's hesitation, so that a Prathom-aged schoolkid could sit down. Some of those vacating their seats weren't young either.

 

I even had one kid staring intently at me for not moving for him but he was out of luck - he had to stand and didn't seem to like it!

My understanding is that this is a system of "social debt" that Thais employ. It is meant to assimilate the kids into the Thai Borg ?

Edited August 29, 2018 by Fex Bluse

[freebyrd]

I was in the fitness business for 30 years, however two strokes have left me dragging my left leg and using a quadstick. I was in BKK a few months ago and experienced similar disregard for the less able. On Asoke one night 7 taxis slowed to pick me up and then took off again, perhaps worried that my disabled state is in some way contagious?? Fortunately No.8 was the easy going chatty type, I gave him B100 for a B50 fare.

 

It's a very long time since Khon Thai were Jai Dee ?.

[stuandjulie]

19 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

And long may that continue!

 

Uppity bloody farangs. Our time was about 40 years ago.

 

That was then, this is now.

Stupid comment, it was referring to the lack of manners generally not I am a farang from the Empire.

 

[Odysseus123]

3 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them, but there does seem to be a lack of 'spatial awareness' here regarding people beware of what's around them.

Not looking around, or thinking ahead by even ten seconds, I see that as one of the factors towards the high number of traffic accidents here.

 

Possibly...but I am not entirely sure.

As I said,I was treated with great courtesy by  elderly women whilst I waited at the hospital.Some even asked if I was in the Vietnam War..

 

But queues were another matter entirely..

I would certainly give the Thai an 8/10 for their general behaviour (to me) dropping to a 4/10 for  queues.

 

The same in India and Cambodia but Laos was superior.

 

 

[Fex Bluse]

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

So you reckon Japan has a more open, honest and altogether more accommodating cultural trait towards round-eyes than Thailand has?

In all areas, no. And, my point is NOT that I expect Thais or anyone to be more accommodating to farang. I expect them to have values and behaviors that are consistent irrespective of a person's nationality or skin color. 

 

As for Japan, if you pay attention to the Japanese expat families around Bangkok and other parts, you'll note even Japanese young kids (5 years old and up) are far more polite than average Thais. 

 

It's about the culture. 

[Esso49]

3 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

She should be careful posting embarrassing photos of Thai people being rude, she could end up in jail, when they get upset about being revealed as scumbags.

Or even get banned on this forum !!!!!!

[bluesofa]

4 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Possibly...but I am not entirely sure.

As I said,I was treated with great courtesy by  elderly women whilst I waited at the hospital.Some even asked if I was in the Vietnam War..

But queues were another matter entirely..

I would certainly give the Thai an 8/10 for their general behaviour (to me) dropping to a 4/10 for  queues.

The same in India and Cambodia but Laos was superior.

Perhaps they were still trying to find the father of their now grown up kid?

 

[DavisH]

3 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

Patience and manners are not great attributes of the Thais.

Queuing in a shop, like 7eleven, or holding a door open for one, with no acknowledgement, are good examples.

lol Have a bunch of Aussie tourists drive through Bangkok. Let's see how patient they are! There are good and lousy people everywhere. 

[lvr181]

3 hours ago, mok199 said:

sorry but ,she is either looking for reason to get upset (and some facebook time) or waiting for a friend...she is 15 feet from the door ,what are we mind readers ''' get in line lady or get left behind''

Bad hair day was it? 

[Nemises]

Wow...so much Thai bashing. 

This sort of behaviour is not unique to Thailand. 

How many times have you seen able bodied people parking in disabled parking bays in other countries?

[Odysseus123]

24 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Perhaps they were still trying to find the father of their now grown up kid?

 

Love it!

 

Thais are such sentimentalists..

 

In my village there was a youngish chap ?40 who looked so strikingly Caucasian that I instantly inquired 
"Where are you from?"But he was Thai with an unknown American father.Blonde hair,blue eyes..everything.

[gunderhill]

Go to anywhere ( Tesco) and you  will find those handicapped  spaces always  full, right next to Mother and baby, they don't care at all and shame on Tesco for ignoring it also.

[Cracker2000]

4 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

She should be careful posting embarrassing photos of Thai people being rude, she could end up in jail, when they get upset about being revealed as scumbags.

Yes.... She should be more worried about being charged with criminal 'Defamation" and offenses under the Computer Crimes Act..TIT

[Thaidream]

5 minutes ago, Nemises said:

ow...so much Thai bashing. 

This sort of behaviour is not unique to Thailand. 

How many times have you seen able bodied people parking in disabled parking bays in other countries?

Hardly ever.  In the Us there is a hefty fine for parking in a Handicapped spot.  The same in Japan. 

 

In most civilized countries- the elderly and Handicapped are given courtesy-  in Thailand- it appears many people have not learned manners.    I recently saw a whole group of  young workers crowd onto the elevator at a BTS station.  They were all able bodies and simply did not want to walk up or use the escalator.  The walkways in Thailand are horrid and not in a state for a wheelchair bound person while in the civilized portions of the World ramps are installed everywhere.

I am able bodied but I know disabled individuals who simply want to do as much as possible for themselves-  All societies should recognize this and care about people who are disabled.  It's called being part of the human family.

 

It is not Thai bashing when pointing out the truth- Thailand is not a polite society and those of us who live  here see this all too often.  Is it really too difficult to understand that  when a disabled person is waiting  to enter an elevator to  move aside and hold the door. Is is really so hard to understand when one is waiting to enter the BTS- to wait until the exiting passengers leave the train?      Not only is it common courtesy- it's common sense and unfortunately too many Thais have neither.

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Thai people use the stairs? Not unless you can get a motorbike up them.

Agreed Thais don't know what legs are actually capable of, until they lose them !!

I feel genuinely sorry for the girl, having said that she's lucky to live in an area where the building she frequents actually has a lift.

Where I live streets, pavements and shops are virtually impossible to use for the wheel bound chair user.
And god forbid if you should need the toilet when out of you own environment...

Thailand has a lot of catching up to do to help the physically challenged people who largely go un-thought of!

[Nemises]

Hardly ever.  

 

 

 

 

LOL

 

Na. Doesn’t happen in other countries. Only Thailand. Good one [emoji106]

 

 

AUSTRALIA

 

“There’s a growing trend for disabled parking spot shaming, which social media is feeding.

 

Hardly a week goes past without some gleeful post from a parking vigilante plastering the internet with images of offending drivers who have parked in a disabled spot when they have no right to do so.”

 

Read more at:

 

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/hey-parking-shamers-shame-on-you/news-story/7f6be1a39191579bd93259b06554061e

 

 

ENGLAND

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/disabled-parking-spaces-petition-dont-have-a-blue-badge-then-stop-using-our-disabled-parking-spaces-a7128416.html

 

 

NEW ZEALAND

 

Aucklanders have paid nearly $1.5 million in fines for illegally parking in disabled spots over the past three years.

 

More than 9820 fines totalling $1.47m were issued to offenders since 2015 , figures released to Stuff under the Official Information Act show.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/central-leader/100768264/thousands-of-aucklanders-fined-every-year-for-parking-in-disabled-parking-spaces

[Bill Miller]

3 hours ago, mok199 said:

sorry but ,she is either looking for reason to get upset (and some facebook time) or waiting for a friend...she is 15 feet from the door ,what are we mind readers ''' get in line lady or get left behind''

Obviously no notion of what it is like to be handicapped, nor any compassion whatsoever.
On does not simply "get in line" when wheelchair bound.
I have had Thai folks get off the lift or wait for the next trip, and I only need a cane. Obviously, to those not handicapped by evident visual  impairment, that is not happening here.

[james.d]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

That is GOLD!

 

I'm starting this afternoon at Tesco-Lotus!

slip a box of condoms in their trolley then try to get in the check-out queue behind them..

[300sd]

If there's a space in front of me, it's mine. And if there's a space in front of you, it's mine too.

 

 

[africasiaeuro]

Let's say LOS isn't the same as it once was. Consider it as part of the economic development.

Worldwide phenomena are seen in most developing countries.

Recalling the times when Khaophad moo was 5 Baht served with happiness. Now it's a 100, and one gets unhappy-looking faces.

 

[Odysseus123]

28 minutes ago, Nemises said:

 

LOL

 

Na. Doesn’t happen in other countries. Only Thailand. Good one

 

 

AUSTRALIA

 

“There’s a growing trend for disabled parking spot shaming, which social media is feeding.

 

Hardly a week goes past without some gleeful post from a parking vigilante plastering the internet with images of offending drivers who have parked in a disabled spot when they have no right to do so.”

 

Read more at:

 

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/hey-parking-shamers-shame-on-you/news-story/7f6be1a39191579bd93259b06554061e

 

 

ENGLAND

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/disabled-parking-spaces-petition-dont-have-a-blue-badge-then-stop-using-our-disabled-parking-spaces-a7128416.html

 

 

NEW ZEALAND

 

Aucklanders have paid nearly $1.5 million in fines for illegally parking in disabled spots over the past three years.

 

More than 9820 fines totalling $1.47m were issued to offenders since 2015 , figures released to Stuff under the Official Information Act show.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/central-leader/100768264/thousands-of-aucklanders-fined-every-year-for-parking-in-disabled-parking-spaces

Possibly but  I live in Australia and am disabled.Where I live the spaces are occupied by cars that clearly display a Disability sticker.I have never seen a car without them and I use my sticker wherever I go.

 

In terms of Disability Thailand is a predatory state and definitely not a "nanny" state-whatever that  terms actually means as the vast majority of the Australian libertarian right spends their days in Centrelink-trying to screw every cent out of their pensions and are definitely not out there hunting wombats for food in a quest for self sufficiency.

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Odysseus123

[GinBoy2]

I was on BTS once when there was an old lady (probably not that much older than me actually) and as we do, I got up and offered her my seat.

Around me we a bunch of young people, all happily playing on their phones.

The cute thing was, she thanked me, then set about railing on everyone else, telling them that I was old, they were young and worthless.

Sometimes speaking and understanding Thai is actually a joy!