Thai police force takes blundering step backwards

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Police force takes blundering step backwards

By The Nation

 

 

Decision to make Cadet Academy a men-only institution will do serious damage to justice process 

 

The Royal Thai Police, an institution long dominated by men with outdated mindsets, is losing yet more ground as other government agencies forge ahead into the 21st century.

 

The minds of top brass remain welded to values of another age, as evidenced by their recent decision to ban female applicants from the police academy.

 

The force justified its men-only policy by suggesting that many women cadets and officers had quit over the years due to family commitments.

 

Unsurprisingly, women’s rights advocates were shocked at the move, pointing out that the step backwards for gender equality would also have a serious affect on the prosecution of sex crimes.

 

They were right. Not only does the move undermine women’s rights and violate the Gender Equality Act, it also impacts victims of sex crimes. Female police officers play a very important role in such cases, taking the lead in the interrogation process. In rape cases, for example, the law requires that policewomen conduct the interview, so as to minimise the victims’ discomfort and thereby elicit as much information as possible. Male officers can deal with such cases only with the consent of the victims.

 

But with the new order announced in late August barring women from the cadet school, the number of female interrogators will fall dramatically. Besides discriminating against women officers, the edict will almost certainly increase the anxiety and suffering of rape and sexual assault victims as they face questioning.

 

The Cadet Academy, which dates back to 1901, has only been admitting female students for the last 10 years. Of 8,000 investigators in the national police officers, only 400 are female.

 

It is important that ordinary citizens as well as rights advocates throw their support behind agencies like the Gender and Development Research Institute, one of several organisations that have petitioned the Ombudsman’s Legal Affairs and Litigation Bureau to pressure the Royal Thai Police to scrap this plan.

 

The force should be reminded that Thailand is a signatory to international conventions that prohibit discrimination based on gender. At stake is the fate of some 3,000 qualified females who have been barred from becoming interrogators.

 

The police force has so far refused to give satisfactory reasons for the order and also rejected the group’s request for a meeting to seek clarification.

 

Shown the cold shoulder, the group decided to file a petition with Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, who also serves as the chairman of both the Police Service Commission and a committee responsible for supporting gender equality.

 

The top brass need to rethink this step before they progress with a blunder that will have serious consequences.

 

Their motto, inscribed outside every police station, states their duty is to serve the people, but citizens know all too well that police actions often fall short of that lofty principle.

 

Beside a change in mindset, the force needs major reform. When the current junta – the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) – came to power four years ago, they talked long and hard about overhauling the police department.

 

That talk quickly reduced to a mumble and now to silence, and with new chapter in Thailand’s political history set to start with a general election next year, reform is on the backburner. An opportunity has been missed and we can only blame the NCPO for not pushing the desperately needed changes through.

 

Beset with allegations of corruption, the police should have been high on the NCPO agenda for reorganisation.

 

But it’s never too late. Whoever comes to power after the nationwide vote owes it to citizens to forge a police force that truly lives up to its motto.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/opinion/30353837

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-09-06

[Samui Bodoh]

"...The force justified its men-only policy by suggesting that many women cadets and officers had quit over the years due to family commitments. 

Unsurprisingly, women’s rights advocates were shocked at the move, pointing out that the step backwards for gender equality would also have a serious affect on the prosecution of sex crimes..."

 

This is mind-boggling in the 21st century; this is the thinking of dinosaurs. 

 

The editorial is right to take note that this will affect sex crimes, but it would affect so much more; at the risk of stereotyping, women tend to bring a 'softer' side to police work which is often the right course of action. The idea that police need to be 'macho' is an outdated concept; more often than not, the prime mission of a police officer is to diffuse a situation; a woman's touch (proverbially) can be quite effective for that. And, if there needs a 'harder' tone, women are more than capable of that too; I know from experience.

 

Even though the above is true, there is a greater argument; simply put, women are entirely capable of being police officers and to discriminate against them on the basis of gender is the height of stupidity. What nation with half a brain bans roughly half the population from assisting that same nation? It is the massive waste of talent that is incredible; Thailand's police already suffer from a world-wide terrible reputation and cutting out half the population from consideration will only make that worse.

 

I am at a loss for words; one of the stupidest public policy decisions in modern human history.

 

 

[ezzra]

Or... maybe they know something we don't, maybe they are not sure that having a mixed groups of male and female is a good idea and the the boys are not mature enough to be trusted in a close quarters company of female cadets and better nip it in the bud now that face even a bigger problems of bad behaviour and discipline letter...

[Samui Bodoh]

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

Or... maybe they know something we don't, maybe they are not sure that having a mixed groups of male and female is a good idea and the the boys are not mature enough to be trusted in a close quarters company of female cadets and better nip it in the bud now that face even a bigger problems of bad behaviour and discipline letter...

Ridiculous!

 

If the men are incapable of controlling themselves in a mixed group at the police academy, then in no circumstances should they EVER be allowed to become police officers and carry guns.

 

Jesus wept.

 

[bkk6060]

I think it is a good idea and should be implemented.

[Darcula]

I'm guessing, dance classes at the academy are cancelled.

 

 

 

[Odysseus123]

16 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I think it is a good idea and should be implemented.

May I ask you why you think it is a good idea and should be implemented?

[a977]

Thailand back to the neanderthal era!!!!!!!

[Odysseus123]

7 minutes ago, a977 said:

Thailand back to the neanderthal era!!!!!!!

Neanderthals were pretty cool folk really...but possibly the era prior to 1932 (or thereabouts) in Shangri-La fits the frame nicely.

[Lunchbob]

It does not surprise me that a decision like this was made, but what does surprise me is the leaders who make it are allowed to continue in key roles. 

[colinneil]

This is pathetic, the Thai male ego is to blame.

The idiots think we are better than women, only we know whats best.

Just look back a few months when that clown Big Joke first appeared in the media, he had a beautiful female sidekick.

Now most of the cameras were focusing on her, not the Joke, suddenly she has gone why?

Because the Jokes ego was hurt, i am the man, i should get all the attention, not some woman, sad and pathetic situation.

Edited September 5, 2018 by colinneil

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, colinneil said:

This is pathetic, the Tha male ego is to blame.

The idiots think we are better than women, only we know whats best.

Just look back a few months when that clown Big Joke first appeared in the media, he had a beautiful female sidekick.

Now most of the cameras were focusing on her, not the Joke, suddenly she has gone why?

Because the Jokes ego was hurt, i am the man, i should get all the attention, not some woman, sad and pathetic situation.

Yup-the police captain was described as well educated,a good organizer and multi talented..

 

She is probably arresting errant water buffalo up on the Mekong now.

[Thian]

1 hour ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Ridiculous!

 

If the men are incapable of controlling themselves in a mixed group at the police academy, then in no circumstances should they EVER be allowed to become police officers and carry guns.

 

Jesus wept.

 

In Holland loads of policemen and women have relations with eachother.....

[LazySlipper]

52 minutes ago, a977 said:

Thailand back to the neanderthal era!!!!!!!

 

It's not as if they ever got out of it in the first place...

[rkidlad]

10 minutes ago, Thian said:

In Holland loads of policemen and women have relations with eachother.....

So....?

[Thian]

4 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

So....?

And since we have women in the policeforce the crimerates go up fast...people don't even report crimes anymore cause nothing gets done with it.

 

Have you ever seen how many of those blond big butted ladies are needed to arrest an agressive robber?

[luk AJ]

Thailand back to the neanderthal era!!!!!!!

That should be about 40.000y ago when the last Neanderthalers roamed the earth..


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[ThreeEyedRaven]

I think Thailand is only actually able to march backwards due to having shot itself in the foot so many times.

It really is like a time warp, with progress completely reversed and a determined march back towards the dark ages.

[bkk6060]

Women have been a detriment to law enforcement in the US.

I do not know all about here but the article explains some of it.

Quiting for family, maternity leave,  bad attitudes always trying to prove they are better then men, 

the BS sexual harassment claims, the fake injuries or reports of harassment so they can get

a bogus disability retirement.

As far as the sexual assault victims, hire female advocates or trained interviewers to conduct the interviews they do not have to be police officers.

There are some agencies just in Southern California where the female and males officers do not even talk unless it is necessary.  Mostly based on the typical BS "he looked at me wrong" claims guys get tired of dealing with it.

Maybe the officials here see this heading in the wrong direction and want to stop it before it gets out of control like other countries.

[Bob12345]

1 hour ago, Thian said:

And since we have women in the policeforce the crimerates go up fast...people don't even report crimes anymore cause nothing gets done with it.

 

Have you ever seen how many of those blond big butted ladies are needed to arrest an agressive robber?

Actually crime rates have been going down for decades in a row already in the Netherlands, up to a point that prisons need to be closed down as there are not enough criminals to justifiy the costs.

So appearently the big butted ladies do their jobs very well.

[Bob12345]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

In rape cases, for example, the law requires that policewomen conduct the interview, so as to minimise the victims’ discomfort and thereby elicit as much information as possible. Male officers can deal with such cases only with the consent of the victims.

It wont surprise me if the male dinosaurs have looked into this and already proposed to therefore stop going after rapists. Because yeah, it will be hard to get a clear statement from an emotional woman to start with, so why even try?

 

Besides, the hands of females are too small, so they can barely hold all the bribes that a cop needs to handle on a daily basis. That makes them unsuitable for this job.

[rkidlad]

1 hour ago, Thian said:

And since we have women in the policeforce the crimerates go up fast...people don't even report crimes anymore cause nothing gets done with it.

 

Have you ever seen how many of those blond big butted ladies are needed to arrest an agressive robber?

Yea, I'm gonna walk away slowly and talk to someone else now. 

[Esso49]

They only time they don't blunder is when , rather then stepping backwards, they step forward to collect their brown envelopes.

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

This is pathetic, the Thai male ego is to blame.

The idiots think we are better than women, only we know whats best.

Just look back a few months when that clown Big Joke first appeared in the media, he had a beautiful female sidekick.

Now most of the cameras were focusing on her, not the Joke, suddenly she has gone why?

Because the Jokes ego was hurt, i am the man, i should get all the attention, not some woman, sad and pathetic situation.

 

How do you know that 'the Jokes ego was hurt'?

 

"Because the Jokes ego was hurt, i am the man, i should get all the attention, not some woman, sad and pathetic situation." Wow so many assumptions. Based on what?

 

 

 

 

[tigermoth]

Well it's against the law for the police to do this so let's now see what happens, nothing I suspect.

[RichardColeman]

Yeah, yeah, but we only have enough money to buy one sticker for the toilet door.

[Oziex1]

1 hour ago, Bob12345 said:

It wont surprise me if the male dinosaurs have looked into this and already proposed to therefore stop going after rapists. Because yeah, it will be hard to get a clear statement from an emotional woman to start with, so why even try?

 

Besides, the hands of females are too small, so they can barely hold all the bribes that a cop needs to handle on a daily basis. That makes them unsuitable for this job.

The cops on Kho Tao dont have this problem, no rapes there and anyone who says there is will be arrested.

[spidermike007]

They should have more women investigators. Here in Thailand, they tend to be smarter, work harder, and be more clever than most men. As far as I am concerned, women are the glue that holds this nation together. They should be rewarded for their contributions to Thai society, which are vast and important to the nation. They suffer silently, as the society for some completely unknown reason, regards men as being superior. How false this notion is!

 

This is typical of a traditional minded organization, without vision or any real smarts. Also, something a small man would do, or decide to do. Can anyone guess where this directive came from?

[Odysseus123]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Women have been a detriment to law enforcement in the US.

I do not know all about here but the article explains some of it.

Quiting for family, maternity leave,  bad attitudes always trying to prove they are better then men, 

the BS sexual harassment claims, the fake injuries or reports of harassment so they can get

a bogus disability retirement.

As far as the sexual assault victims, hire female advocates or trained interviewers to conduct the interviews they do not have to be police officers.

There are some agencies just in Southern California where the female and males officers do not even talk unless it is necessary.  Mostly based on the typical BS "he looked at me wrong" claims guys get tired of dealing with it.

Maybe the officials here see this heading in the wrong direction and want to stop it before it gets out of control like other countries.

Pure comedy-and well worth re-posting.

 

Another foray within the Thai male "cone of flapdoodlery"

 

A degree in which is essential to any member of the Thai elite.

 

Tho' they couldn't even put one one over 3 Bactrians and a camel.

 

"Don't Thai Me"

[PatOngo]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Police force takes blundering step backwards

In the general scope of things, were they ever moving forward?

Edited September 6, 2018 by PatOngo