Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler in new documentary

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[watcharacters]

3 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Call me a sucker, but I watched the whole video and it was a total waste of time. So Trump didn't want to be interviewed for Woodward's hatchet job book. Seems like that was a good instinct. 

 

 

I wouldn't call you a sucker for listening to this legal tape recording.

 

I will disagree with you  saying he didn't want to be interviewed for the book.     He expressed more than once his regret at   not having been able to speak with Woodward.       Only later in the tape did he contradict himself saying he did actually know of Woodward's interview request.   So which was it?   Did he know or not know?    Hard to tell with President Trump.    I'm sadly reminded of the bargirl saying about the "moving lips".      I don't like that feeling.

 

 While all politicians get accused  of lying,  Trump seems to have it down to an art form.     I watched an interview yesterday where it was claimed he's told 6,000 verifiable lies   during his 600 days so far in office.

 

Whatever the number is, I don't see how anyone could feel what he says is the truth.

 

Anyway, good job at not shying away from exposing yourself to information even if you don't agree with it.

[canuckamuck]

5 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

I wouldn't call you a sucker for listening to this legal tape recording.

 

I will disagree with you  saying he didn't want to be interviewed for the book.     He expressed more than once his regret at   not having been able to speak with Woodward.       Only later in the tape did he contradict himself saying he did actually know of Woodward's interview request.   So which was it?   Did he know or not know?    Hard to tell with President Trump.    I'm sadly reminded of the bargirl saying about the "moving lips".      I don't like that feeling.

 

 While all politicians get accused  of lying,  Trump seems to have it down to an art form.     I watched an interview yesterday where it was claimed he's told 6,000 verifiable lies   during his 600 days so far in office.

 

Whatever the number is, I don't see how anyone could feel what he says is the truth.

 

Anyway, good job at not shying away from exposing yourself to information even if you don't agree with it.

Well just from the mannerisms and the way Trump was responding, it seemed obvious to me that Trump knew about the request for interview and was just trying invoke plausible deniability.  Everybody does that when they are trying to wiggle out of something. So yeah trump was BS'ing his way through that phone call. This is how conversations go between powerful people who are trying to get their way but limit the damage. It's a non issue. Woodward already brought down one president (with CIA assistance aka deep throat). Trump would be a fool to let Wooodward get him on record about anything. 

[Ahab]

21 hours ago, neeray said:

You seem to have misunderstood the statement.

Or perhaps you are just a Trumpeteer.

Maybe I misunderstood the statement, or perhaps the statement is poorly worded.

 

In any case it is ignorant to compare anyone to Hitler that isn't doing the evil that Hitler did. Hitler probably ate eggs and toast for breakfast, but if Trump (or anyone else) eats eggs and toast for breakfast it does not make them like Hitler, it just means that they prefer the same things for breakfast. Comparisons to Hitler are unwise in almost all cases, but to compare an American President whose only crime is being a braggart and tweeting too much to Hitler is moronic.  

[watcharacters]

On 9/13/2018 at 3:20 PM, canuckamuck said:

Well just from the mannerisms and the way Trump was responding, it seemed obvious to me that Trump knew about the request for interview and was just trying invoke plausible deniability.  Everybody does that when they are trying to wiggle out of something. So yeah trump was BS'ing his way through that phone call. This is how conversations go between powerful people who are trying to get their way but limit the damage. It's a non issue. Woodward already brought down one president (with CIA assistance aka deep throat). Trump would be a fool to let Wooodward get him on record about anything. 

 

Thanks for your courteous reply, canuckamuck     I  wonder what you think about the idea of Trump lying several times each and every day.

 

I suspect you're not an American based on your nic but I really don't know.   I realize Trump can have a tremendous impact on  Canada.   Maybe you really are a Canadian citizen or maybe you aren't.  It isn't  really  important to our chat

 

My goodness,    yes,  Woodward and Bernstein  were  certainly  instrumental in removing Richard  Nixon  from office.      I followed that event closely.  Woodward and Bernstein did it by reporting on events and quoting sources.     Do you think they  did something wrong through  their efforts?   

 

Nixon lied to all  American citizens.   Supporters and non-supporters.    He paid the price for his transgressions with ducking out prior to his impending impeachment.   He was able to keep his government pension and benefits given to former USA Presidents.

 

I'm confident the same result will ultimately  befall President Trump.   I want the current POTUS to finish out his term and not seek reelection.    I feel he's been disruptive enough for the USA  and the rest of the world.

 

Thanks for keeping this polite and civil.

 

 

 

 

[canuckamuck]

4 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

 

Thanks for your courteous reply, canuckamuck     I  wonder what you think about the idea of Trump lying several times each and every day.

 

I suspect you're not an American based on your nic but I really don't know.   I realize Trump can have a tremendous impact on  Canada.   Maybe you really are a Canadian citizen or maybe you aren't.  It isn't  really  important to our chat

 

My goodness,    yes,  Woodward and Bernstein  were  certainly  instrumental in removing Richard  Nixon  from office.      I followed that event closely.  Woodward and Bernstein did it by reporting on events and quoting sources.     Do you think they  did something wrong through  their efforts?   

 

Nixon lied to all  American citizens.   Supporters and non-supporters.    He paid the price for his transgressions with ducking out prior to his impending impeachment.   He was able to keep his government pension and benefits given to former USA Presidents.

 

I'm confident the same result will ultimately  befall President Trump.   I want the current POTUS to finish out his term and not seek reelection.    I feel he's been disruptive enough for the USA  and the rest of the world.

 

Thanks for keeping this polite and civil.

 

 

 

 

Essentially everyone in politics lies continually. To believe otherwise is naive. Some are just better at it.

Nixon was setup, deep state was done with him. They led him into a trap and slammed it shut. Nixon was a bad man, so no one feels bad. He was in on the Kennedy job, as was Johnson. 

Yes I am Canadian

 

[Morch]

27 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Essentially everyone in politics lies continually. To believe otherwise is naive. Some are just better at it.

Nixon was setup, deep state was done with him. They led him into a trap and slammed it shut. Nixon was a bad man, so no one feels bad. He was in on the Kennedy job, as was Johnson. 

Yes I am Canadian

 

 

Trump isn't good at lying, just prolific. Most of his lies are daft. He seems to be unable to control himself, and that's even his lawyers' view. That Trump supporters would shrug it off, is unsurprising, as pretty much anything goes so long as it scores an imaginary point against the supposed opposition. There's no other politician coming close to Trump's rate of lying, or to the scope of topics it is applied to.

 

Them "deep state" nonsense comments, keep'm coming.

[Morch]

On 9/10/2018 at 2:21 AM, Time Traveller said:

WaPo has long been discredited as legitimate media and is now nothing more than Jeff Bezos propoganda.

these ideas that compare Trump to Hitler are just racist. Why?

One person comitted genocide agains milions of Jewish people and also was the cause of tens of millions of other people's lives lost in the war. And the other person didn't kill anyone. 

When you say really dumb krap like Trump = Hitler, you're basically saying the genocide didn't happen or that Jewish lives lost were meaningless......Moore should really walk the talk and move to that socialist paradise of Venezuela that he loves so much or just go back into the hole and shut up

 

Discredited by....?

 

On 9/10/2018 at 10:29 AM, Time Traveller said:

And it appears you no nothing about the Washington Post. I don't care if the story is "well written" or not. It's propaganda BS funded by the CIA.

Read up on Operation Mockingbird. Or the fact that Bezos (sole owner of the WaPo) gets $600 million each year from the CIA in a nice contract with Amazon.

 

 

 

Oh, never mind.

 

[Morch]

Moore is out to promote his new film, so kinda expected he'll toss in comments like that.

 

Hype aside, Hitler had an ideology and a world view. Granted, warped and not entirely coherent (or even consistent), but some framework nonetheless. Trump, despite attempts to try and fit his statements and policies into such concepts, seems bereft of ideals, or as described by that letter to the NYT - amoral.

 

That's, IMO, actually a good thing. Trump being able to maintain focus on anything but his ego would be way more dangerous.

 

But hey, hype sells.

Edited September 14, 2018 by Morch

[mcambl61]

On 9/13/2018 at 9:51 AM, watcharacters said:

watched an interview yesterday where it was claimed he's told 6,000 verifiable lies   during his 600 days so far in office

where are these so called verifications? and who is doing the verifying? the same media that has a clear agenda?

[mcambl61]

On 9/13/2018 at 9:06 AM, neeray said:

Michael Moore speaks the truth. You seem to be hurting

Moore speaks his opinion, nevermind the blind bias behind it

[mcambl61]

On 9/11/2018 at 7:54 AM, Jingthing said:

When in doubt, throw some misogynistic shade.

or denigrate millions of people that disagree with you?

[mcambl61]

On 9/12/2018 at 8:21 AM, watcharacters said:

 

I'm curious.

 

Is there anything  President Trump could do that would cause you to no longer support him?

 

yes, become a liberal progressive Muppet...but that is redundant

[utalkin2me]

Seriosuly, if Trump had his way 100% I don't think Hitler could even hold a candle to him. The guy is a full blown narcicisstic sociopath, and I have no idea why that description is not more prevalent. WHO knows what the hedk the guy would do given free reign. Care to guess? Even reasonable people from his own side seem to be realizing the guy only cares about himself, and he is the president and his job is to care about the people. 

[mcambl61]

On 9/11/2018 at 7:49 AM, watcharacters said:

 

Thanks for posting the link.

 

"Trump’s well-documented use of dehumanizing language is another clear similarity to the early stages of Nazi rule. He caters to a particular demographic of unhappy voters, as did the Nazis. After all, his “America First” rallying cry was “the motto of Nazi-friendly Americans in the 1930s.”"

That is one of the most ridiculous comparisons and conclusions ever uttered on the TVF trump hater club, that is really saying something

[luckyluke]

2 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

The guy is a full blown narcicisstic sociopath

A fact is that a lot of people admire him. 

They are  ready to forgive him a lot of things.

Some will even deny everything which present him negatively. 

 

[riclag]

39 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Seriosuly, if Trump had his way 100% I don't think Hitler could even hold a candle to him. The guy is a full blown narcicisstic sociopath, and I have no idea why that description is not more prevalent. WHO knows what the hedk the guy would do given free reign. Care to guess? Even reasonable people from his own side seem to be realizing the guy only cares about himself, and he is the president and his job is to care about the people. 

Hogwash! Using hitler in a comment while suggesting a comparison  to the POTUS is inflammatory and trolling ! Your hatred  for the POTUS is expected! The hitler crap isn't 

Edited January 21, 2019 by riclag

[metisdead]

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[mcambl61]

On 9/9/2018 at 5:45 PM, AlexRich said:

The TDS acronym is a marketing slogan used to deflect criticism of Donald Trump, namely “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. Meaning that if you criticise Trump you must have something wrong with you.

actually, all it means is that the criticism has become cult like in its emotional and irrational conclusions and comparisons.

if you disagree with a policy or strategy, say why and what you would do differently and why it would be better. instead, there 

are ridiculous claims and assumptions that the media and the left throw around like it simply must be true.

 

If you want to win an argument or argue something is better, then say that in detail.

[mcambl61]

On 9/9/2018 at 6:23 PM, Thaidream said:

es- I have said several times- the dossier is real and it is essentially correct.  

where do you get these verifiable facts that the dossier is essentially correct?, it has still never been verified in any way by The FBI in sworn testimony

so where do you get this opinion from?