SURVEY: Did the FBI and DOJ conspire on Russian collusion?

[Mikeasq60]

1 minute ago, mcambl61 said:

you mean the electoral college system put in that pesky constitution?

Why would we want California and new york full of useless liberals to 

have more influence?

So hey genius more than 65 million AMERICAN legal voters , voted for President Trump. What country you from the UK? If so you got major problems over there don't worry about US politics. Whats up with Tommy Robinson and Nigel Ferag?

[Dap]

Wow! Surprising how close (49.12-Yes/50.88-No) TV's members are on this vote. 

I would have guessed a much larger gap with the no vote even higher.  I find this

to be enlightening and at the same time ... somewhat depressing    Ah well, to

each their own 

Correction: Now 50/50 - Whew!

Edited September 23, 2018 by Dap

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Dap said:

Wow! Surprising how close (49.12-Yes/50.88-No) TV's members are on this vote. 

I would have guessed a much larger gap with the no vote even higher.  I find this

to be enlightening and at the same time ... somewhat depressing    Ah well, to

each their own 

Yes, surprised me as well, but I think jingthing is on the right track here. TV consists mainly of white, older males.

[Mikeasq60]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, surprised me as well, but I think jingthing is on the right track here. TV consists mainly of white, older males.

So whats the problem?

[billd766]

11 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

Curious, why is this bullshit in your advanced mind?

 

Because I think it is a better response than saying that the post is BS.

[mcambl61]

12 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, surprised me as well, but I think jingthing is on the right track here. TV consists mainly of white, older males.

always has to be boiled down to some ridiculous race and gender nonsense with the left

[mcambl61]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Because I think it is a better response than saying that the post is BS.

of course, the leftists assume their views are the only "intelligent" option

[mcambl61]

19 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

So hey genius more than 65 million AMERICAN legal voters , voted for President Trump. What country you from the UK? If so you got major problems over there don't worry about US politics. Whats up with Tommy Robinson and Nigel Ferag?

chill out little man, US citizen here.

 

I agreed the EC system works and protects us fro ma complete left wing disaster, especially with the lack of proper voter ID

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

So whats the problem?

Why do you presume that's a problem?

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

always has to be boiled down to some ridiculous race and gender nonsense with the left

You omitted age.

[Stocky]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Get real. This question is merely a proxy poll for approval or disapproval of "trump." Generally because the interest in these U.S. political topics is dominated by older, white MALE Americans (and Brexit type Brits) it's predictable that the pro "trump" side will "win" such a poll here on Thaivisa. But in the real world of American voters, "trump" does not enjoy anything near majority support.

I think a fair few of our contributors are actually operating from a Russian troll farm.

[Srinivas]

for those of us not overwhelmed with anger over the election upset, not taken with the 24/7 trump hatred on the media from the start

and have read the leaked wiki emails, the frame up of trump to hide the team hrc dealings was obvious from the beginning.

Once the fisa docs are revealed it will be shown that uk au intel was used to get around us laws to get to where we are today in this mess. Thats the foreign meddling.

A lot of Trump voters,in 2016 voted against "crooked hillary" a name that Maxine Waters thinks was made up by Russians lol. If you want a source, look it up.

 

enjoy the show.?

 

 

 

[IAMHERE]

They used their entire effort to prove guilt, innocence was so far out of their equation that it just was not considered. Anything that didn't fit the 'guilty' model was ignored or trashed; so much for balance of justice in the FBI or DOJ. 

[Srinivas]

9 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

always has to be boiled down to some ridiculous race and gender nonsense with the left

always. they think all women , black and brown people are into their victimhood mongering tactics.really condescending  people.

[nervona81732]

Jingthing< Bet me buck wheat.

[mcambl61]

34 minutes ago, Dap said:

Wow! Surprising how close (49.12-Yes/50.88-No) TV's members are on this vote. 

I would have guessed a much larger gap with the no vote even higher.  I find this

to be enlightening and at the same time ... somewhat depressing    Ah well, to

each their own 

Correction: Now 50/50 - Whew!

It's only surprising to the leftists that have been consumed with the irrational and emotional reaction to anything that doesn't fit into their ideological bubble 

[Srinivas]

2 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

It's only surprising to the leftists that have been consumed with the irrational and emotional reaction to anything that doesn't fit into their ideological bubble 

thats how they lost the election in the first place. the crying videos on youtube are hillarious.

[mcambl61]

2 hours ago, smotherb said:

Gee, then the numerous Trump White House and Campaign staffers who have been fired, demoted, or resigned make that measly 25 DoJ employees pale in percentage comparison. Of course, you don't want to hear about the numerous Trump associates who have been convicted, indicted or plead guilty to crimes would you? That would be part of that Deep State conspiracy that has grasped your senses, wouldn't it bunky?

And STILL not one sliver of evidence of collusion.... Unlike the fbi and doj 

[mcambl61]

3 hours ago, Esso49 said:

 

 

[Mikeasq60]

19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You omitted age.

none of your business. Old enough to realize right and wrong. Liberals beware.

[KMartinHandyman]

Get real. This question is merely a proxy poll for approval or disapproval of "trump." Generally because the interest in these U.S. political topics is dominated by older, white MALE Americans (and Brexit type Brits) it's predictable that the pro "trump" side will "win" such a poll here on Thaivisa. But in the real world of American voters, "trump" does not enjoy anything near majority support.
 
To topic, these conspiracy theory attacks on the American justice system are merely a diversionary tactic of the pro-authoritarian, anti-rule of law, neofascist, dangerous racism based "trump" movement. He is under attack, legitimately, because he's a criminally corrupt CON MAN and has been all his working life, so this is another "trump" style tactic to hit back harder and try to change the subject. 
 
It's a rather successful tactic but that does not mean that the propaganda behind it reflects reality or what's best for the American nation and democracy.
 
 

In your not so humble opinion,in my opinion.
How’s the “do you want trump to finish his first term” poll compare to this one percentage wise?

[roobaa01]

real is the washington swamp is goin to be dried up and the lingering stench in the ' deep state" being terminated

 

wbr

roobaa01

[Srinivas]

 

[KMartinHandyman]

 

Should read passes it back to the dnc

[Thaidream]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, surprised me as well, but I think jingthing is on the right track here. TV consists mainly of white, older males.

I'm a white older male and I can tell you I see absolutely no way that the FBI and/or anyone in the Department of Justice would fabricate any type of evidence or narrative against Trump. I have known a few personally- and while they have their own personal opinions- this does not affect how they do their job. They are highly trained and totally professional.

 

The FBI is the unit that investigates the possibility that a foreign country spies on the US or in this case attempts to subvert the American election process by favoring one candidate over another. There is no doubt- none at all that the Russians tried to interfere in the election process.  There is no doubt that individuals who were connected to Trump in an official capacity have pleaded guilty to breaking US law.   There is no doubt that Donald Trump's son met with Russians  and is being investigated for possible collusion/

 

There is no doubt that President Trump knew his son and others were meeting with Russians.  He is being investigated for collusion among other things because that is what the FBI and Justice Department do when allegations come forward indicating a crime may have been committed and it becomes even more serious when that person is the President of the US and has access to every American agent posted anywhere as well as America's most top secret archives and activities.

 

According to some posters- the FBI and DOJ should do nothing- simply allow the Russians to continue to penetrate  American systems and elections because -according to them- Trump is good for America.  Anyone want the Truth?

 

Most people of good faith even those who do not like Trump want the truth of what happened-  IMHO-  if Trump colluded with the Russians or someone on his staff did- he is not fit to be President and his legitimacy is questionable. On the other hand- if Mueller  clears Trump- so be it- his legitimacy is proven and everyone moves on  to the political season of 2020.

 

Trump and his alt right insiders are clever- they keep trying to sell the American people the narrative that there is some massive conspiracy involving the Deep State to remove Trump from Office. They  know Trump is incompetent; they know Trump has been in bed with the Russians prior to becoming President but they are creating a false narrative to enable Trump to continue as president as they try and pass law after law based upon their  alt-right- ultra conservative view that seeks to isolate America from the rest of the World; establish America's military might and interventionist profile and control the American populace economically and psychologically.

 

It is essential the Mueller investigation continue because IMHO what they will find is the following:

 

-Donald Trump has been accepting Russian money for decades prior to becoming President when he was running  Trump Inc.  He has been laundering money for Putin and his oligarchs because he needed capital to continue his failing business enterprise.  Trump was bankrupt- could not borrow any money from Western sources and simply allowed the Russians to buy into the US property market at inflated prices and pocket the money. Why won't he show his tax returns as every other American President has done?

 

-Trump has been using the Presidency to enrich himself and is in direct violation of the emoluments clause of the Us Constitution. He has not placed his holdings in Trust.  He continues to travel almost every weekend to a Trump owned property in Florida or New Jersey and billed the Us Government for  rooms; food etc for his entourage.  Even when on official business in the Us and overseas- he watches over his business assets and encourages use of these facilities.

 

-Regardless of who commissioned the dossier- it is true and Trump knows it.  I would guess that the Mueller investigation has found the exact dates Trump's plane left the US- and when it returned and has placed him in Moscow at the exact time that the dossier indicates Trump was   with Russian prostitutes and having them piss on the same bed that President Obama once occupies.  Trump hates Obama simply because Obama is well respected by Americans in a way Trump will never be respected/ I am quite certain that Mr Putin even has tape of what Trump was doing but of course we are never going to see it.

 

-Then there is the final nail- the Russian involvement attempting to subvert the US election of 2016- and one asks why would the Russians like Trump over Clinton.  Easy answer- Putin hated Clinton because of her leading a coalition against Putin's attempt to take over Ukraine and his actual  aggression against Crimea which succeeded.  Putin knows he has a friend in Trump- simply because of business dealings for decades using the oligarchs as fronts; the dossier; and realizing Trump has no experience in foreign affairs and Putin knows he has enough on Trump to subtly blackmail 

 

And if the above is not enough to be suspicious of Donald Trump and his actions how about the following:

 

-He has praised White Nationalists and angered the African American community showing a tendency towards racism

-He has called the media the 'enemy of the people' because he doesn't like  their reports

-He is amoral and immoral- proven by his own words and actions

-He has mocked the disabled and is vulgar.

-He has gone overseas and criticized the allies of America and weakens the  positron of the United States. He has pulled out of the  Climate Treaty; cancelled the agreement with Iran and creating a possible war situation; moved the Us Embassy to Jerusalem- against the wishes of his advisers;  created a 'Trade War' with China which will cost billions in lost income for American consumers; and threatened to shut down the US government in order to force funding a useless border wall.

-He  lies; exaggerates and fabricates .His own lawyer  called him a serial liar.

 

Yet, after all of this- Donald Trump would have you and I believe that there is a conspiracy to get him out of the Presidency.  Everyone is against him.  Everyone else is wrong.  Only he is right....The majority of people see Trump for what he is...even some of the Republicans..

 

He is a narcissistic meglomaniac who cannot accept the truth and thinks only he is right and that makes him a clear and present danger.   It will be interesting to see what conspiracy theory Trump comes up with when in November 2018- the Democrats control the House and the Senate..... Oh yes.... it must be because all those illegals  were allowed to vote...

 

God help us all!!!

 

[mcambl61]

4 hours ago, Becker said:

Duly elected with ample help from Moscow.

Have any real verifiable evidence or is this just a sad attempt to justify the loss of the election to the whining leftists? 

[mcambl61]

7 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Trump has been using the Presidency to enrich himself

Wow that is a long winded emotional irrational rant. Do you need a safe space or a therapy pet? 

[Becker]

5 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Have any real verifiable evidence or is this just a sad attempt to justify the loss of the election to the whining leftists? 

From main stream (AKA sane) sources:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/russian-election-hacking

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/03/russian-us-election-interference-donald-trump/878910002/

 

PS. I don't know why I bother because if it's one thing you man-child supporters couldn't care less about it's facts.

[mcambl61]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Get real. This question is merely a proxy poll for approval or disapproval of "trump." Generally because the interest in these U.S. political topics is dominated by older, white MALE Americans (and Brexit type Brits) it's predictable that the pro "trump" side will "win" such a poll here on Thaivisa. But in the real world of American voters, "trump" does not enjoy anything near majority support.

 

To topic, these conspiracy theory attacks on the American justice system are merely a diversionary tactic of the pro-authoritarian, anti-rule of law, neofascist, dangerous racism based "trump" movement. He is under attack, legitimately, because he's a criminally corrupt CON MAN and has been all his working life, so this is another "trump" style tactic to hit back harder and try to change the subject. 

 

It's a rather successful tactic but that does not mean that the propaganda behind it reflects reality or what's best for the American nation and democracy.

 

 

Why does every leftist have to bring everything back to race and gender in complete irrelevance? Did your college professors want you to be this one dimensional? 

[Odysseus123]

It's been around for a long time..

 

Please see:Jesse Walker

 

'The United States of Paranoia'

 

https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Paranoia-Conspiracy-Theory/dp/0062135554