There has been a lot of discussion about the FBI and the Department of Justice and Russian collusion.   In your opinion, do you believe that the FBI and DOJ conspired on Russian collusion?

 

 

"There has been a lot of discussion about the FBI and the Department of Justice and Russian collusion.   In your opinion, do you believe that the FBI and DOJ conspired on Russian collusion?"

 

Er.. Ahem... Whaaaaat?

 

Is/was there a vast, secret conspiracy in the US law-enforcement/Justice community to make up a weird, crackpot theory that Russia interfered in the US 2016 election based on nothing?

 

Again,

 

Er.. Ahem... Whaaaaat?

 

I would answer, but the aliens controlling my thoughts won't let me...

 

 

 

Edited September 22, 20187 yr by Samui Bodoh
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I have found that my Delta Skymiles helps me get a few free trips across the pond on a fairly regular basis.....lol...??

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25+ senior officials in the FBI A DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned over ethics of this so called investigation. There is no doubt they were and many still are conspiring to impeach, or at the very least undermine the duly elected president. There are tens of thousands of text messages and emails to prove this fact, not to mention the hundreds of private and confidential pieces of information from the White House that get leaked to the press, regurgitated by that same bias media, and presented as the sky is falling on a daily basis.   

Who cares?

If two men are walking down a road, they both look up in the sky and see a UFO, did they conspire or collude? I think both saw the same thing and pursued it, as was their duty. If Trump did not collude with the Russians, why for the first time in history are so many Russians turning up in his team? Why did Flynn, Poppadoulous, and now Manafort plead guilty. Listen, where there's smoke, there's fire. I see it all as a right wing conspiracy, the same vast one that was after the Clintons, and found nothing!

With all the evidence that's been forthcoming - overwhelming evidence we might add, it's obvious that the FBI is complicit in manufacturing a false narrative to frame a duly elected President. 

Shame on them! 

3 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

With all the evidence that's been forthcoming - overwhelming evidence we might add, it's obvious that the FBI is complicit in manufacturing a false narrative to frame a duly elected President. 

Shame on them! 

 

2 hours ago, dcutman said:

25+ senior officials in the FBI A DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned over ethics of this so called investigation. There is no doubt they were and many still are conspiring to impeach, or at the very least undermine the duly elected president. There are tens of thousands of text messages and emails to prove this fact, not to mention the hundreds of private and confidential pieces of information from the White House that get leaked to the press, regurgitated by that same bias media, and presented as the sky is falling on a daily basis.   

 

To conspire means to make secret plans to commit an unlawful act, we are talking about law enforcement agencies, their plans are always kept secret, it would jeopardise their investigations to do otherwise, and the unlawful acts are what they are investigating, hence the 6 people currently sat in jail and the ongoing criminal investigations.

18 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

With all the evidence that's been forthcoming - overwhelming evidence we might add, it's obvious that the FBI is complicit in manufacturing a false narrative to frame a duly elected President. 

Duly elected with ample help from Moscow.

16 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

With all the evidence that's been forthcoming - overwhelming evidence we might add, it's obvious that the FBI is complicit in manufacturing a false narrative to frame a duly elected President. 

Shame on them! 

 

How do you make a false narrative read like Trump hired a Russian agent as his campaign chairman?

You have to be kidding me that 50% of those that have voted believe there was collusion.  The only collusion was with Hillary and the Russians.  She paid to have the phony dossier written up.  If there were any proof on this Trump would have been gone long ago.  The 50% comes from the media who is calling the shots on thing talking about this for hours each day, day after day.  The more the Left repeats this the More the fringe Left believes it.  Very sad is the state of American politics.  The Left can't stand not being in power.

 

9 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

You have to be kidding me that 50% of those that have voted believe there was collusion.  The only collusion was with Hillary and the Russians.  She paid to have the phony dossier written up.  If there were any proof on this Trump would have been gone long ago.  The 50% comes from the media who is calling the shots on thing talking about this for hours each day, day after day.  The more the Left repeats this the More the fringe Left believes it.  Very sad is the state of American politics.  The Left can't stand not being in power.

 

All that is just noise. This is a battle between a cowardly draft dodger and a war hero/lawman. My money is on Mueller.

3 hours ago, dcutman said:

there are tens of thousands of text messages and emails to prove this fact, not to mention the hundreds of private and confidential pieces of information from the White House that get leaked to the press

Show us some examples please. 

 

 

Get real. This question is merely a proxy poll for approval or disapproval of "trump." Generally because the interest in these U.S. political topics is dominated by older, white MALE Americans (and Brexit type Brits) it's predictable that the pro "trump" side will "win" such a poll here on Thaivisa. But in the real world of American voters, "trump" does not enjoy anything near majority support.

 

To topic, these conspiracy theory attacks on the American justice system are merely a diversionary tactic of the pro-authoritarian, anti-rule of law, neofascist, dangerous racism based "trump" movement. He is under attack, legitimately, because he's a criminally corrupt CON MAN and has been all his working life, so this is another "trump" style tactic to hit back harder and try to change the subject. 

 

It's a rather successful tactic but that does not mean that the propaganda behind it reflects reality or what's best for the American nation and democracy.

 

 

Edited September 23, 20187 yr by Jingthing

3 hours ago, dcutman said:

25+ senior officials in the FBI A DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned over ethics of this so called investigation. There is no doubt they were and many still are conspiring to impeach, or at the very least undermine the duly elected president. There are tens of thousands of text messages and emails to prove this fact, not to mention the hundreds of private and confidential pieces of information from the White House that get leaked to the press, regurgitated by that same bias media, and presented as the sky is falling on a daily basis.   

Gee, then the numerous Trump White House and Campaign staffers who have been fired, demoted, or resigned make that measly 25 DoJ employees pale in percentage comparison. Of course, you don't want to hear about the numerous Trump associates who have been convicted, indicted or plead guilty to crimes would you? That would be part of that Deep State conspiracy that has grasped your senses, wouldn't it bunky?

24 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

You have to be kidding me that 50% of those that have voted believe there was collusion.  The only collusion was with Hillary and the Russians.  She paid to have the phony dossier written up.  If there were any proof on this Trump would have been gone long ago.  The 50% comes from the media who is calling the shots on thing talking about this for hours each day, day after day.  The more the Left repeats this the More the fringe Left believes it.  Very sad is the state of American politics.  The Left can't stand not being in power.

 

 

Who paid for Trump to have a Russian agent as his campaign chairman?  Follow the money!

Interested topic. Yesterday there was an article in the NYT which has been pushing the story of collusion for the past two years being ardently anti-Trump and reasonably liberal (for an American publication).

 

"Mr. Trump’s frustration with the Russian investigation is not surprising. He is right that no public evidence has emerged showing that his campaign conspired with Russia in the election interference or accepted Russian money."

 

The quote is from an otherwise anti-Trump, collusion with Russia article.

 

As for myself, I despise Trump as much as the next man. But really spending $100,000 equally between 2 candidates on facebook does not sway anything in a $2 billion election campaign. Trump is a dirty crook and they are using the Special Prosecutor to go on a fishing expedition for evidence of other illegal business activities.....hence the prosecutions of Manafort, Cohen etc.

 

 

 

 This isn't difficult! One has to start at the beginning ,the real beginning, the pattern of sources and methods that are all too often hidden from everyone and sometimes, very rarely, they let the  world get a glimpse at what is involved in the sources and methods of the powerful Intel Agencies. 

 

To make a informative opinion of the events in this topic ,I think one has to look at the sources and methods and events, that led up to it.

That would be  starting many years ago with the formation,direction and goals of the one's that control these agencies.

The past actions over the many years is a good indication of how these agencies have performed than and now.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

Edited September 23, 20187 yr by metisdead
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I don't care whether these agencies conspired or not. I only want the truth, which seems to be in very short supply.

For once in my life I want to see real jail time or execution for individuals guilty of treason or sedition.

There has been a lot of discussion about the FBI and the Department of Justice and Russian collusion.   In your opinion, do you believe that the FBI and DOJ conspired on Russian collusion?
 
 

Yes

9 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

 

 

 This isn't difficult! One has to start at the beginning ,the real beginning, the pattern of sources and methods that are all too often hidden from everyone and sometimes, very rarely, they let the  world get a glimpse at what is involved in the sources and methods of the powerful Intel Agencies. 

 

To make a informative opinion of the events in this topic ,I think one has to look at the sources and methods and events, that led up to it.

That would be  starting many years ago with the formation,direction and goals of the one's that control these agencies.

The past actions over the many years is a good indication of how these agencies have performed than and now.

I think you're kind of required to reveal the source of your cut-and paste. These are obviously not your words.

4 hours ago, dcutman said:

25+ senior officials in the FBI A DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned over ethics of this so called investigation. There is no doubt they were and many still are conspiring to impeach, or at the very least undermine the duly elected president. There are tens of thousands of text messages and emails to prove this fact, not to mention the hundreds of private and confidential pieces of information from the White House that get leaked to the press, regurgitated by that same bias media, and presented as the sky is falling on a daily basis.   

Duly elected ? ? ?   May I remind you that he lost the popular vote by 2.9 million voters and is only in office as the country still operates a "Electral College" system to choose its president.   That system was a very good idea in the 19th century and may be even the very beginning of the 20th.   But not now.   However, like so many things about the USA, it is way behind the times.

Also I do recommend that you read Bob Woodward's FEAR.   If there are conspiracies, being hatched to unseat him under the constitution, you'll understand why !

4 hours ago, dcutman said:

25+ senior officials in the FBI A DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned over ethics of this so called investigation. There is no doubt they were and many still are conspiring to impeach, or at the very least undermine the duly elected president. There are tens of thousands of text messages and emails to prove this fact, not to mention the hundreds of private and confidential pieces of information from the White House that get leaked to the press, regurgitated by that same bias media, and presented as the sky is falling on a daily basis.   

 

I am surprised that a tweet from Trump has not been posted saying "Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it infamy" said by Kenneth Williams as Julius Caesar in Carry on Cleo and written by Dennis Norden.

2 hours ago, Esso49 said:

 

 

Do you mind if I copy and save that please.

3 hours ago, 1337markus said:

Who cares?

people that are not lefists

There is a plot to remove a duly elected President of the United States. Can you imagine if they tried this with Obama or Clinton? And if they do try and impeach President Trump BIGGGGGG PROBLEMS! You got it first here stay tuned!

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Do you mind if I copy and save that please.

Curious, why is this bullshit in your advanced mind?

1 minute ago, Mikeasq60 said:

There is a plot to remove a duly elected President of the United States. Can you imagine if they tried this with Obama or Clinton? And if they do try and impeach President Trump BIGGGGGG PROBLEMS! You got it first here stay tuned!

Sounds like an imitation of a "trump" tweet. Talk about TDS! ?

18 minutes ago, MrMo said:

Duly elected ? ? ?   May I remind you that he lost the popular vote by 2.9 million voters and is only in office as the country still operates a "Electral College" system to choose its president.   That system was a very good idea in the 19th century and may be even the very beginning of the 20th.   But not now.   However, like so many things about the USA, it is way behind the times.

Also I do recommend that you read Bob Woodward's FEAR.   If there are conspiracies, being hatched to unseat him under the constitution, you'll understand why !

you mean the electoral college system put in that pesky constitution?

Why would we want California and new york full of useless liberals to 

have more influence?