Moving land boundary markers overnight.

[dallen52]

We purchased land recently and all has gone well so far.

Government officials re surveyed and confirmed the boundaries. 

One was slightly off.

All adjoining neighbours concurred with this and signed the documents. 

 

Overnight one of them (neighbours) moved the marker and a 6 feet concrete post we put in yesterday. 

Another neighbour has contacted us, because it takes about 3 feet off his land..

 

I just love village life. 

So honest.

What's the correct Thai way to deal with this?

 

TIT.

Edited September 27, 2018 by dallen52

[cooked]

Common occurrence. Concrete has its uses.

[dallen52]

7 minutes ago, cooked said:

Common occurrence. Concrete has its uses.

It's not so much affecting us, as the cousin on the next block. 

They have clipped about 3 feet off his land overnight. 

Multiply that by say 50 metres length..

I thought it was an offense to tamper with these.?

 

 

Edited September 27, 2018 by dallen52

[cooked]

It is a serious offence in any country. I believe that you are not supposed to concrete them in, BUT you can concrete in markers to either side of the thing.

A few generations ago Thai land law was more about usage than ownership, if you didn't cultivate, someone else could and would. I believe that even now, if you allow someone to cultivate your land (letting bananas grow over the boundary is a good one) then the encroacher then has right of use.

This mentality still exists and applies especially to "rich stupid Farangs".

[dallen52]

10 minutes ago, cooked said:

It is a serious offence in any country. I believe that you are not supposed to concrete them in, BUT you can concrete in markers to either side of the thing.

A few generations ago Thai land law was more about usage than ownership, if you didn't cultivate, someone else could and would. I believe that even now, if you allow someone to cultivate your land (letting bananas grow over the boundary is a good one) then the encroacher then has right of use.

This mentality still exists and applies especially to "rich stupid Farangs".

I was told yesterday that the taro crop on the land will be there another six months. 

Even though its now transferred to her.

Something else my thai partner did not tell me.

Plus the realignment of the boundaries. 

Plus the two surveys required. 

Oh, plus the providing food and drinks for the surveyors. 

Plus the sleight of hand payment to get them to speed up the process..

 

You think that we would learn?

[cooked]

I'm afraid it's all normal stuff.

I learnt at the beginning that threats aren't a good idea but my turning up with the Thai family and dogs and heavy sticks did persuade the neighbour that breaking newly concreted in posts wasn't a good idea in my case. I don't recommend this, but it worked, he now ignores me and I ignore him.

Don't do that, I was lucky.

You need, by one means or the other, to gain his respect. Buy him some whisky and laugh, ominously, a lot?

 

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, dallen52 said:

Overnight one of them (neighbours) moved the marker and a 6 feet concrete post we put in yesterday.

Move it back but first dig a hole a metre deep and as said concrete the post in hole filled with quick drying cement.

[dallen52]

10 hours ago, cooked said:

I'm afraid it's all normal stuff.

I learnt at the beginning that threats aren't a good idea but my turning up with the Thai family and dogs and heavy sticks did persuade the neighbour that breaking newly concreted in posts wasn't a good idea in my case. I don't recommend this, but it worked, he now ignores me and I ignore him.

Don't do that, I was lucky.

You need, by one means or the other, to gain his respect. Buy him some whisky and laugh, ominously, a lot?

 

We went one better.

We actually now know that the woman who owns the land, it was her brother who moved the marker and six ft concrete post.

Because he thought that he knows better. 

Government surveyor revisits and tells her 5000 baht fine and monkey house. 

Interference with a government survey mark. 

 

Wais were given plus assurances that it will grow legs again overnight. 

 

The power of village relations is the final on this.

The offender is land locked like some Thai land is, and needs access across my partner's cousin's land.

 

Which is now looking shaky...

 

Just nothing to be gained by moving it one metre.

The post was where the stick is, yesterday. 

Edited September 27, 2018 by dallen52