Koh Tao rape claim dismissed by Thai police, citing lack of evidence and no DNA

[rkidlad]

17 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Exactly. Supposedly she was very careful to keep the shirt preserved until she got back to the UK.

Then, supposedly, it was given the the "Met Police" when the rape claim was made (something like 7-9 days afterwards and, conveniently, far too late to do a rape kit).

Then, supposedly, the Met Police had the "evidence" for 2 MONTHS and did absolutely nothing (upon which the mother decided to "break" the story in, of all places, the Samui TImes, instead of a UK media outlet). Think about that.

 

Then, apparently, they gave the t-shirt back to the mother ? (She claimed she had the shirt when it was announce the RTP would send someone to the UK).
But in the OP it is stated that the UK Police handed over the shirt to the Thai police. ("British police also handed over a T-shirt the 19-year-old woman wore on June 25")
But in the "CSI LA" post, the mother claims the Met Police urged her to hand over the shirt. ("...the metropolitan police who urged us to handover the t-shirt...."

 

So who is full of **** ? The UK (Met) Police or the mother/daughter ?

 

Do you really think the "professional" police in the UK would take a rape complaint, complete with (alleged) DNA evidence, and then do absolutely nothing because they are scared to their knickers about the "Koh Tao mafia" ? The same cops who apparently aren't scared of the Russians quaking in fear over some minor league "mafia" on a tiny island halfway around the globe. 

 

Or do you think the whole "rape" story was simply made up to cover that the girl went out and partied with some guy staying at the same hostel as her, they got drunk, went for a "walk on the beach", had sex and then the next morning she remembered that she was supposed to go meet her boyfriend on another island that day ?
 

Do you know that the UK police tested the shirt? Have they confirmed they tested it and found nothing also? 

 

[ZAKY]

Too easy to blame, false evidence and false accusation need to be punished by law. She should be ban from thailand for the bad reputation she is spreading. 

[tigerfeet]

15 hours ago, rkidlad said:

The RTP spent all that money to get a statement they had already received before. Well, at least they have the t-shirt now. 

 

Maybe by spending all this money and having the RTP’s top dogs making statements on an alleged rape they think they’re further cementing in people’s minds that it didn’t happen. For me, it just further cements my initial thoughts that they’re doing all they can to protect the island’s reputation and bottom line. 

 

 

be interesting to hear the uk,s police version what do they think?

[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, ZAKY said:

Too easy to blame, false evidence and false accusation need to be punished by law. She should be ban from thailand for the bad reputation she is spreading. 

So they have to definitively prove she’s lying. When it comes to rape, no evidence doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It isn’t a bomb attack. 

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, tigerfeet said:

be interesting to hear the uk,s police version what do they think?

I don’t know who had jurisdiction on the evidence. The alleged rape happened in Thailand. Why don’t the UK authorities simply state they tested the t-shirt also and found nothing. Would save everyone a lot of bother. 

 

I believe the UK are taking the diplomatic route of simply washing their hands if it and saying it’s a Thai investigation. 

[simoh1490]

16 hours ago, darksidedog said:

So the police have reached the conclusion they had decided upon before even beginning to investigate. How predictable.

Oh wait.....the location couldn't be described, the perpetrator couldn't be described, there was no DNA, no witnesses, only hearsay....if you were the RTP what would you do with all that, start a manhunt for somebody or arrest a Burmese!

[hobz]

14 hours ago, sweatalot said:

gaiving them the shirt without examining it  before in the UK was an incredible mistake.

 

At least they stopped claiming she wasn't raped. Just t hey found no evidence. ( How? months after the event because they refused to accept her record)

 

So now it should be legal to say the woman was probably raped in Koh Tao. Thai Police started investigation months later  and then found no evidence

Whoa whoa woah youre using way too much logic there. It will go way over their tiny heads.

[tigerfeet]

12 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I don’t know who had jurisdiction on the evidence. The alleged rape happened in Thailand. Why don’t the UK authorities simply state they tested the t-shirt also and found nothing. Would save everyone a lot of bother. 

 

I believe the UK are taking the diplomatic route of simply washing their hands if it and saying it’s a Thai investigation. 

if they had found or thought the lady was lying they would of made a statement to the fact  the fact that they are quiet tells everything 

[The Deerhunter]

No DNA at all on the shirt?  Not even hers?  Very strange.   Hmmm!!   If the tee shirt had been accidentally  washed before testing, that could explain it, I suppose! 

 

Edited October 17, 2018 by The Deerhunter

[manarak]

2 hours ago, huberthammer said:

There was no evidence found on the island, the victims statement was unclear and conflicting and there was no DNA evidence either. Why do so many posters think that this is being brushed under the carpet? If there is nothing to suggest that this happened what do you expect the police to do ?

Poor communication by police + stupid prejudiced people = predictible result.

[Megasin1]

2 hours ago, huberthammer said:

There was no evidence found on the island, the victims statement was unclear and conflicting and there was no DNA evidence either. Why do so many posters think that this is being brushed under the carpet? If there is nothing to suggest that this happened what do you expect the police to do ?
 

find the phone !! would be a good start, iOS7 was introduced in June 2013, so if the initial reports are correct and it was an iPhone then as soon as it's turned on apple can track it (assuming that subsequent to 2013 she had upgraded her O/S. What is irrefutable is that she reported her phone as stolen/lost/missing (depending on which report you read) so start small and find the phone, would have been a good start, although by now it's probably in India.

[Borzandy]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

important details such as the location of where the rape was meant to have taken place

As tourist how you can know the places, the locations.

[Crash999]

13 hours ago, cass74 said:

The UK police and FO have been totally done by the Thai police.  Probably had guarantees the case was being took seriously and the DNA would be tested.

 

 

Why are you assuming that the DNA analysis was done by the Thai police? Bear in mind the family yesterday suggested that the British police were in on it too. And the family several weeks ago said they had handed the t-shirt over. 

[rkidlad]

Just now, Crash999 said:

Why are you assuming that the DNA analysis was done by the Thai police? Bear in mind the family yesterday suggested that the British police were in on it too. And the family several weeks ago said they had handed the t-shirt over. 

So you have confirmation that the UK authorities tested the t-shirt and found no evidence? If you do, that would really help. 

[Crash999]

53 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Do you really think the "professional" police in the UK would take a rape complaint, complete with (alleged) DNA evidence, and then do absolutely nothing because they are scared to their knickers about the "Koh Tao mafia" ?

It’s the same story as the murders. When the UK police get involved and come to a conclusion that is the opposite of the conspiracy theories then the UK police must be in on it too. 

 

Like you said, the UK has no problems facing up to Russia but if we are to believe this theory they will cover up evidence of a UK citizen’s rape if it was done in Koh Tao.

[Crash999]

3 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

So you have confirmation that the UK authorities tested the t-shirt and found no evidence? If you do, that would really help. 

According to the article someone tested the shirt. You can’t find DNA evidence without doing DNA analysis. The shirt was handed over weeks ago to the UK police for DNA analysis. Thai police only just got back. 

 

It could be a test done one in Thailand but it could also very likely be a test done in the UK as was planned.

 

But several people are already jumping to the conclusion that it must have been done in Thailand. Meaning in their minds the analysis is invalid. 

[Megasin1]

4 minutes ago, Crash999 said:

It’s the same story as the murders. When the UK police get involved and come to a conclusion that is the opposite of the conspiracy theories then the UK police must be in on it too. 

 

Like you said, the UK has no problems facing up to Russia but if we are to believe this theory they will cover up evidence of a UK citizen’s rape if it was done in Koh Tao.

Don't confuse jurisdiction, the UK police will come to whatever conclusion they come to on a crime committed in UK, however for a crime, or alleged crime committed outside their jurisdiction they will be bound by many rules which may affect how they respond.

[cyril sneer]

Just another drama queen crying rape after regretting drunken sex

 

Surprised she decided to go ahead with it Thailand, though I guess it got her more publicity/Instagram followers

[hobobo]

What a great holiday for the team! I hope they travelled at least Business Class!

[Crash999]

45 minutes ago, ZAKY said:

Too easy to blame, false evidence and false accusation need to be punished by law. She should be ban from thailand for the bad reputation she is spreading. 

On the other hand she might honestly believe she was raped.

 

There is a difference between someone who believes they were raped when they weren’t, like the recent case of the woman in her room. And someone who knows they are lying, like the woman who tried to accuse the French police officer of rape. 

 

We can’t assume she is malicious as there’s no evidence. Just like there isn’t any evidence of rape so the police can’t conclude that one happened. 

[Cereal]

Didn't the Thai police say they'd ask for her extradition to Thailand to try her for slander or libel or whatever if their investigation proved she wasn't raped?

 

I wonder which flight she'll be on back to the LOS?

[rkidlad]

27 minutes ago, Crash999 said:

According to the article someone tested the shirt. You can’t find DNA evidence without doing DNA analysis. The shirt was handed over weeks ago to the UK police for DNA analysis. Thai police only just got back. 

 

It could be a test done one in Thailand but it could also very likely be a test done in the UK as was planned.

 

But several people are already jumping to the conclusion that it must have been done in Thailand. Meaning in their minds the analysis is invalid. 

Okay, so again, do you have confirmation it was 'the UK authorities' who tested the shirt? Conjecture doesn't help when there's a heavy dose of doubt. 

 

Oh, and the local authorities did a DNA test within 24 hours when they tested the headman's son back in 2014/15. 

 

And one more thing, they only just got the t-shirt back? 'Only just' means when? 

Edited October 17, 2018 by rkidlad

[jgarbo]

17 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Fact. There is very little evidence and the t-shirt was a very, very long shot even in the best of circumstances.

 

Chances are this young lady was assaulted and I would wager it was by an opportunistic, non-Thai, drunk, stoned, gap-year, backpacking piece of sh!t.

 

Stating 'lack of evidence' doesn't say it didn't happen and handily obviates the necessity of the former head of the Tourist police following up on his obnoxious threat to prosecute the victim for lying.

I assume the UK police were privy to the case, including DNA and semen tests. So no evidence to back up the allegation. It's finished. The girl has to prove rape, not the police. 

[Kerryd]

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

Do you know that the UK police tested the shirt? Have they confirmed they tested it and found nothing also? 

 

So you think that if someone goes to the UK police, files a rape complaint and hands over "evidence" that they would have just tossed it in a drawer and went back to reading the latest footie scores ?

The Met Police, to the best of my knowledge, have not commented on this - at all. You'd think that if someone did make a complaint and did give them "evidence" that they would have tested it.
I would find it rather odd that they'd have it for 2 months, do nothing with it and then just hand it back to the mother.

 

Especially when all the people that usually slag the Thai police think that the UK Police are so much better that they could solve a case like this in minutes (based on no evidence at all, let alone if they are holding some in their hands).

 

[Crash999]

16 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

Don't confuse jurisdiction, the UK police will come to whatever conclusion they come to on a crime committed in UK, however for a crime, or alleged crime committed outside their jurisdiction they will be bound by many rules which may affect how they respond.

That's true, and in the murder case they could only give evidence to the families not the court as the death penalty was involved. Let's see what, if anything, the UK police will say regarding their analysis. 

 

Given the family already said they were unhappy with the British police it doesn't seem like they are supporting the allegation of rape. 

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Kerryd said:

So you think that if someone goes to the UK police, files a rape complaint and hands over "evidence" that they would have just tossed it in a drawer and went back to reading the latest footie scores ?

The Met Police, to the best of my knowledge, have not commented on this - at all. You'd think that if someone did make a complaint and did give them "evidence" that they would have tested it.
I would find it rather odd that they'd have it for 2 months, do nothing with it and then just hand it back to the mother.

 

Especially when all the people that usually slag the Thai police think that the UK Police are so much better that they could solve a case like this in minutes (based on no evidence at all, let alone if they are holding some in their hands).

 

The alleged rape happened in Thailand. The UK police have zero jurisdiction. If people are 'slagging off' the Thai police, wouldn't it be a good idea for the UK police to step forward and say they tested it. Seems it would save a lot of bother. 

 

Anyhoo, you didn't answer my question - did the UK authorities confirm they personally tested the

t-shirt? 

[jgarbo]

11 minutes ago, Cereal said:

Didn't the Thai police say they'd ask for her extradition to Thailand to try her for slander or libel or whatever if their investigation proved she wasn't raped?

 

I wonder which flight she'll be on back to the LOS?

Normal early threat. I assume the RTP will let it go, since the girl's "evidence" doesn't stack up. So, drunken evening badly remembered, insurance scam cover up, or just attention getting?

[Crash999]

7 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Okay, so again, do you have confirmation it was 'the UK authorities' who tested the shirt? Conjecture doesn't help when there's a heavy dose of doubt. 

 

Oh, and the local authorities did a DNA test within 24 hours when they tested the headman's son back in 2014/15. 

 

And one more thing, they only just got the t-shirt back? 'Only just' means when? 

Read what I wrote again. I said we can't conclude who tested the shirt, but that hasn't stopped people in this thread from assuming it was the Thai police and therefore in their minds the test has no validity. 

 

And I said the police just came back to Thailand. It could have been an express test done here, sure. But it seems logical that the UK police actually went through with the testing that the family themselves said they would do.

 

Let's see what the UK police announce, if anything. Clearly the mother isn't happy with the UK police from what was said yesterday. 

[thurien]

17 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Fact. There is very little evidence and the t-shirt was a very, very long shot even in the best of circumstances.

 

Chances are this young lady was assaulted and I would wager it was by an opportunistic, non-Thai, drunk, stoned, gap-year, backpacking piece of sh!t.

 

Stating 'lack of evidence' doesn't say it didn't happen and handily obviates the necessity of the former head of the Tourist police following up on his obnoxious threat to prosecute the victim for lying.

another fricken British insurance scam...

Edited October 17, 2018 by thurien

[jgarbo]

35 minutes ago, Crash999 said:

According to the article someone tested the shirt. You can’t find DNA evidence without doing DNA analysis. The shirt was handed over weeks ago to the UK police for DNA analysis. Thai police only just got back. 

 

It could be a test done one in Thailand but it could also very likely be a test done in the UK as was planned.

 

But several people are already jumping to the conclusion that it must have been done in Thailand. Meaning in their minds the analysis is invalid. 

From what news I've seen, the girl returned quickly to UK before making her allegations, so presumably the UK police did the DNA & semen tests.