webfact Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Trump says transgender policy seeks to 'protect the country' By Gabriella Borter and Barbara Goldberg Transgender rights activists protest the government's alleged attempt to strip transgender people of official recognition at the White House in Washington, U.S., October 22, 2018. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that transgender issues were in flux and he aims to protect the country after a report that his administration was considering defining gender as male or female based on genitalia at birth drew widespread condemnation. "We have a lot of different concepts right now. They have a lot of different things happening with respect to transgender right now," Trump said amid a protest outside the White House and outpouring of criticism on social media about the proposal. Asked about a campaign promise to protect the LGBT community, Trump said: "I'm protecting everybody. I want to protect our country." Under a proposal first reported by the New York Times on Sunday, the Trump administration would narrow the definition of gender to male or female at birth and it would be unchangeable later in life. The move would remove recognition of and protections for transgender people under U.S. civil rights laws promoted by the prior administration of President Barack Obama in health care, schools and the military. About 1.4 million U.S. adults identify as transgender, according to a 2016 estimate by the Williams Institute, a research centre at UCLA Law School focused on sexual orientation and gender identity law and public policy. The reported proposal comes little more than a week after New York City created a gender-neutral "X" option for birth certificates, joining California, Oregon, Washington state and New Jersey in offering a third gender category on the government-issued identity documents. Medical experts said on Monday that defining gender based on genitalia at birth is scientifically inaccurate and may harm patients' health. Dr. Joshua Safer, executive director of Mount Sinai Hospital's Center for Transgender Medicine and Surgery, said the Trump administration's definition is "not consistent with current western medicine or science in terms of how we actually operate or define sex of individuals." "Sex of individuals is not correlated always with their genitals at birth, or with their chromosomes," said Safer, who also serves as president of the United States Professional Association for Transgender Health. Most transgender people live with a profound sense that the gender assigned to them at birth was wrong and transition to the opposite sex, while others live a non-binary or gender-fluid life. "We urge the administration to ensure all public health policy is firmly rooted in science, and to keep discrimination and political interference out of our nation’s health,” said Dr. Lisa Hollier, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. Beyond the broader issues raised by the administration memo, doctors said the new policy would be impossible to apply to "intersex" babies who are born with ambiguous genitalia or reproductive organs. "Trump's definition does not even take this entire group of patients into consideration," said Dr. Natasha Bhuyan, a family medicine and LGBT care specialist in Phoenix. If the administration's recommended definition is adopted, these patients will likely be assigned a male or female sex at birth, which can have devastating long-term psychological and health consequences, she said. (Reporting by Barbara Goldberg and Gabriella Borter; additional reporting by Daniel Trotta in New York and Jeff Mason in Washington; Editing by Cynthia Osterman) -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-10-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I wonder if Caitlyn Jenner is still supporting him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Credo said: I wonder if Caitlyn Jenner is still supporting him? Relying upon Caitlin! !! - what with only 2 legs left to stand on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 First they came for the transgender people. Denied they even exist. We said nothing because we're not transgender people.DotDotDotSent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The equivalent within the aussie defence force was that the system bent over, and took it like a man; and so the new term 'G Force' was coined... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, webfact said: U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that transgender issues were in flux and he aims to protect the country Against what? ???? But then again, understandable when relating to his policies on immigration when his forefathers were likely immigrants themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 he is really doing them a favour in the long run ,because gay people rely on straight people to produce more gay people . right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuketshrew Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Maybe DT just wants to make sure that when he grabs them by the pu$$y he doesn't get more than a handful ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Protect us!!!... Statistically you are more like to be assaulted by a republican congressman in the bathroom than a transgendered individual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Laverne Cox Responds To Possible Trump Anti-Transgender Move: 'I Choose Love Not Fear' Actress Laverne Cox condemned a proposal reportedly under consideration by President Donald Trump’s administration to dramatically limit transgender rights, responding with a message that included a call to action. The New York Times reported on Sunday that the administration is reviewing a policy that would narrowly define gender as either male or female ― a matter that, according to the proposal, is determined by genitalia at birth. Such a limited definition would have deeply negative impacts on the transgender community, potentially affecting their health. https://www.yahoo.com/news/laverne-cox-responds-possible-trump-204823385.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasandmash Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Unbelievable to think laws are needed to clarify that if you have a penis you're a man. Mankind has started moving in the wrong direction.. btw... Thanks for the tranny statistics. I wonder what the Sukhumviet Thai ladyboy statistics look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Peasandmash said: Unbelievable to think laws are needed to clarify that if you have a penis you're a man. Mankind has started moving in the wrong direction.. btw... Thanks for the tranny statistics. I wonder what the Sukhumviet Thai ladyboy statistics look like? Sadly your opinion has been formed by your time spent in the sex trade areas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Funny they quote Dr. Shafer on this subject this doctor is in the tranny business. The doctor states that gender designation based on genitals and chromosomes is 'unscientific", is it then more. scientific to base it on "feelings" ? There are a very few intersex individuals hermaphrdites ... freaks of nature. This really doesn't affect most folks the exception being in sports where you see dudes competing as girls and winning constantly, unfair advantage. There are only 2 genders and an occasional mutation, mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBarnfeather Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I have never been impressed with gender-benders but I guess the world is stuck with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Jingthing said: First they came for the transgender people. Denied they even exist. We said nothing because we're not transgender people. Dot Dot Dot Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I think they've come for the transgender people last, not first. Because they've aready come for most everyone else already, and because they're a microscopic percentage of the population besides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Jingthing said: First they came for the transgender people. Denied they even exist. We said nothing because we're not transgender people. Dot Dot Dot Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Who is "they"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorG Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 There are only 2 genders but there is an infinite number of gender roles. I do not care what/who you identify or sleep with but do not try to manipulate biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, DoctorG said: There are only 2 genders but there is an infinite number of gender roles. I do not care what/who you identify or sleep with but do not try to manipulate biology. correct . cutting your dick off dosnt make you into a woman , your still just a dude who cut his dick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Peasandmash said: ...First they came for the transgender people... They weren't coming for them, they were going to a Ladyboy bar. I saw them, they don't look threatening. Why do they call these people Gay? They should be called sad, shameless and hateful. They don't. Maybe you do. Gender identity is not the same thing as sexual orientation. DUH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I think that transgender combat troops are a good idea. Then when pinned down in a fox-hole, you know that your trans platoon-mates Julie, Kimberly, and Shantrell have the physical strength and stamina to pull your bacon out of the fire when push comes to shove. Don't get me wrong. I still have the hots for combat-ready women in uniform. Man - cool as a cucumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Phuketshrew said: Maybe DT just wants to make sure that when he grabs them by the pu$$y he doesn't get more than a handful ... That must be what is meant by enlightened self-interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 7 hours ago, webfact said: Asked about a campaign promise to protect the LGBT community, Trump said: "I'm protecting everybody. I want to protect our country." BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasandmash Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 if the transgendered, gay, lmnop community? we're doing something like not using petroleum products to protest the way Islamic oil producing counties treat their tans/gay/whatever brothers and sisters they would have some credibility. When it's the spoiled American man in a dress asking for public tax dollars to build separate bathrooms it's clear the "community" is delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 7 hours ago, sfokevin said: Protect us!!!... Statistically you are more like to be assaulted by a republican congressman in the bathroom than a transgendered individual... I didn't know that Cory Booker was a Republican? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 More rubbish from the orange buffoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 trump says, trump says....... Really, the country needs policy to protect against buffoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jerry787 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 this guy its a nut and worst there is ppl still supporting and voting him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 11 hours ago, Credo said: I wonder if Caitlyn Jenner is still supporting him? He's probably been listening to Mike Pence. Quote The Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled the Family Research Council a hate group, giving Pence another first for this administration: He’s the first sitting vice president to speak at the anti-LGBT group’s summit. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/mike-pence-anti-lgbt-729740/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The gays have enough problems leave them alone you might need there protection in Leavenworth prison soon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tug said: The gays have enough problems leave them alone you might need there protection in Leavenworth prison soon!! Oh! - a 'He has your back' - but in a good sort of way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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