Pleasantly surprised at the tolerance here !

[Tweedle dee]

Mods place this elsewhere if needed...i must say i am amazed to find politics openly discussed here...i was a member for years on eeeermmm the other popular forum ... until a started a topic for any one who wished to give a thumbs up to a certain britt by the name of Tommy robinson i was instantly banned after years of popular postings with a 14000 topic rate  ... best thing they could have done from where i sit now. TD.

[Brewster67]

I give a thumbs up to ANYONE who has the balls to stand up and have uncomfortable conversations that need to be had... Especially in a country where anything the establishment feel uneasy about is declared 'hate Speech' and they throw you in prison for it.

 

George Orwell was eons ahead of his time when it came to predicting the dystopian nightmare the west was going to turn into... That's why I left and will die before I even consider going back to that politically correct hell hole they call the UK.

Dystopia: A futuristic, imagined universe in which oppressive societal control and the illusion of a perfect society are maintained through corporate, bureaucratic, technological, moral, or totalitarian control.

 

Ring any bells??

[RichardColeman]

With regards to Tommy, would a muslim man have been arrested for doing the same if a bunch of old white christian men were sexually abusing muslim asian women under the age of 16. I doubt it. Thankfully I will be dead before the world is totally ruined by PC claptrap

[Brewster67]

36 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

With regards to Tommy, would a muslim man have been arrested for doing the same if a bunch of old white christian men were sexually abusing muslim asian women under the age of 16. I doubt it. Thankfully I will be dead before the world is totally ruined by PC claptrap

Tommy Robinson is the symptom of a society that has been not only covering up these dreadful crimes, but also assisting with them by attacking any victims as slags, liars and whores who dared come forward to report their abuses... 

 

The social services, local politicians, child services and police were all complicit in the covering up of these scandals on a huge national scale for fear of being called 'racist'... Now TR stands up and blows the lid off, he is accused of simply being a racist bigot... Despite the fact that he has said numerous times it is not ALL muslims, but there is a problem in the belief system of Islam and the hadiths of the Qu'ran.

 

As for white grooming gangs... there aren't any... there are white paedophiles of course, but they don't operate in huge gangs on an industrial scale targeting a certain demographic... Also white paedos get absolutely zero concession from the courts such as reporting restrictions and anonymity... They get fully exposed and they also get no help from public services to excuse them for their crimes unlike what the muslim community enjoy.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by Brewster67

[sanemax]

Tommy Robinson was once regarded as anti-Muslim racist who was causing problems by spreading lies about Muslims pedophile rape/grooming gangs .

   He was silenced for suggesting that there were Pakistani origin gangs in every city and town in the U.K systematically abusing under-age girls .

  He has been proven to be correct about that  

[NCC1701A]

the constant drumbeat of anti American stories on TV is sometimes hard to take.

 

 

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Tommy Robinson was once regarded as anti-Muslim racist

I don't know what he is, but I do know they were wrong to jail him that last time.

[Brewster67]

Just now, BritManToo said:

I don't know what he is, but I do know they were wrong to jail him that last time.

But the UK government don't think like us.... They create a martyr and increase his following globally... TR is now going on a tour of the USA to speak about what is happening in the UK and what the US has to look forward to if they dare go down the same road.

 

He is on an invitation from a group of senators and congressmen... I expect ANTIFA will be out in force everywhere he goes with their fascist neo-Nazi violent tactics.

[Nyezhov]

5 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

the constant drumbeat of anti American stories on TV is sometimes hard to take.

 

 

That and the constant Presdent Trump bashing has made me more of a reader, than a poster in those threads. Its like reading CNN ????  ????

 

[Tweedle dee]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

With regards to Tommy, would a muslim man have been arrested for doing the same if a bunch of old white christian men were sexually abusing muslim asian women under the age of 16. I doubt it. Thankfully I will be dead before the world is totally ruined by PC claptrap

I am fully aware that his tag is an alias, but hell this man has the balls of a bull dog !  beaten shitless in a muslim majority prison, establishment failed in that plan to get rid of him.... 9 muslim rapists were given bail even after D.N.A test were proven and some fled back to Pakistan ...beggars belief, this man has started an unstoppable CRUSADE at a personal deadly risk ...getting banned off PA was welcomed by my self 

[Tweedle dee]

This forum is BRILLIANT ! and to think i spent years trying to have a simple laugh on P/A ..by the way ... cheers to BM spidey for popping in for a few...back down the dark side. 

[sanemax]

23 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't know what he is, but I do know they were wrong to jail him that last time.

I can understand why they did jail him for that .

The defence could have claimed a mistrial due to the jury being influenced by the "allegations" and they could even claim that it wouldnt be possible to find a jury who would be unswayed by the "allegations " and so there would be no further trial and the defendants would walk free

[AlexRich]

A Tommy Robinson supporter? I think you should have used the other Tweedle as an avatar.

 

[AlexRich]

25 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said:

I am fully aware that his tag is an alias, but hell this man has the balls of a bull dog !  beaten shitless in a muslim majority prison, establishment failed in that plan to get rid of him.... 9 muslim rapists were given bail even after D.N.A test were proven and some fled back to Pakistan ...beggars belief, this man has started an unstoppable CRUSADE at a personal deadly risk ...getting banned off PA was welcomed by my self 

 

And I’ll tell you what I hate him for. He’s a nasty little bigot and a racist. Anyone who knows anything about the sexual abuse of kids in the UK could tell you that it has been going on for hundreds of years ... in homes, schools, orphanages, detention centres, church’s and chapels. Mostly by white people. But Tommy couldn’t care less about that, he’s a hunter whose only prey is a Muslim ... he cherry picks a scanadal involving Muslims and uses it as an instrument to denigrate all Muslims, most of whom obey the law and harm nobody. He doesn’t care about the abused girls, he couldn’t give a toss about them. They are being used by him as much as their abusers used them.

[Enoon]

2 hours ago, Brewster67 said:

I
Dystopia: A futuristic, imagined universe in which oppressive societal control and the illusion of a perfect society are maintained through corporate, bureaucratic, technological, moral, or totalitarian control.

 

Ring any bells??

 

Oh yes:

 

"while the ruling ideology of Eurasia is identified as "Neo-Bolshevism", a variation of the Oceanian "Ingsoc".

 

Welcome to Eurasia.

 

Or is it Eastasia?

 

They were (are?) the other two dystopian superstates that made up Orwells nightmare of the world as a whole.

 

But you, like most people, seem to have missed them.

 

Don't worry, maybe you can make a break for the "Disputed Area" :

 

"The "disputed area", which lies "between the frontiers of the super-states", is a rough quadrilateral with its corners at Tangier, Brazzaville, Darwin, and Hong Kong". This area is fought over during the perpetual war among the three superstates, one of which sometimes controls vast swaths of the disputed territory, only to lose it again. The reason that the three superstates seek to control the area is to harness the large population and the vast resources within the region."

 

Oops, looks like you're there already.

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by Enoon

[Tweedle dee]

23 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

And I’ll tell you what I hate him for. He’s a nasty little bigot and a racist. Anyone who knows anything about the sexual abuse of kids in the UK could tell you that it has been going on for hundreds of years ... in homes, schools, orphanages, detention centres, church’s and chapels. Mostly by white people. But Tommy couldn’t care less about that, he’s a hunter whose only prey is a Muslim ... he cherry picks a scanadal involving Muslims and uses it as an instrument to denigrate all Muslims, most of whom obey the law and harm nobody. He doesn’t care about the abused girls, he couldn’t give a toss about them. They are being used by him as much as their abusers used them.

Thank you for your valued opinion..and what you say has a lot of clout, would you ! put your self and your family's lives on the line for an ego trip ?

Edited November 3, 2018 by Tweedle dee
typo

[Brewster67]

55 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I can understand why they did jail him for that .

The defence could have claimed a mistrial due to the jury being influenced by the "allegations" and they could even claim that it wouldnt be possible to find a jury who would be unswayed by the "allegations " and so there would be no further trial and the defendants would walk free

This in reality was a falsehood... Very very rarely can a defence claim a mistrial because the jury has been 'tainted' by someone outside the court that they can not see nor hear, juries are NOT allowed to have electronic devices, they are sworn in and bound by rules not to watch the news, read newspapers or go onto social media while a case is heard...

 

Also should we consider a jury at risk of being prejudiced when the prosecutor is calling the defendants out for what they did and even going as far as to produce witnesses and evidence all just to sway the opinions of the jurors... oh how terrible and unfair... Lol

 

Also, the actual trial was over.... the jury had already closed their deliberations days before and this was actually only the verdict hearing... So impossible to sway the jury that has finished its role.

Also, TR had only read out what was already in the public domain which was on the BBC's website... Did the secretary general of the BBC get hauled into court and imprisoned?.... NO

 

TR had also checked with the court which by law have to put on the screens in the lobby that there are reporting restrictions in place, they failed to do this... TR also asked the duty police on the door if it were OK to stream from where he was streaming and the police said it was OK.

 

Look.... Tommy Robinson was not arrested, hauled before the court and jailed in a record 4 hours for what he did.... He was jailed for who he is.

Edited November 3, 2018 by Brewster67

[Tweedle dee]

2 minutes ago, Brewster67 said:

This in reality was a falsehood... Very very rarely can a defence claim a mistrial because the jury has been 'tainted' by someone outside the court that they can not see nor hear, juries are NOT allowed to have electronic devices, they are sworn in and bound by rules not to watch the news, read newspapers or go onto social media while a case is heard...

 

Also should we consider a jury at risk of being prejudiced when the prosecutor is calling them out for what they did and even going as far as to produce witnesses and evidence all just to sway the opinions of the jurors... oh how terrible and unfair... Lol

 

Also, the actual trial was over.... the jury had already closed their deliberations days before and this was actually only the verdict hearing... So impossible to sway the jury that has finished its role.

Also, TR had only read out what was already in the public domain which was on the BBC's website... Did the secretary general of the BBC get hauled into court and imprisoned?.... NO

 

TR had also checked with the court which by law have to put on the screens in the lobby that there are reporting restrictions in place, they failed to do this... TR also asked the duty police on the door if it were OK to stream from where he was streaming and the police said it was OK.

 

Look.... Tommy Robinson was not arrested, hauled before the court and jailed in a record 4 hours for what he did.... He was jailed for who he is.

BINGO ! 

[Brewster67]

46 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

And I’ll tell you what I hate him for. He’s a nasty little bigot and a racist. Anyone who knows anything about the sexual abuse of kids in the UK could tell you that it has been going on for hundreds of years ... in homes, schools, orphanages, detention centres, church’s and chapels. Mostly by white people. But Tommy couldn’t care less about that, he’s a hunter whose only prey is a Muslim ... he cherry picks a scanadal involving Muslims and uses it as an instrument to denigrate all Muslims, most of whom obey the law and harm nobody. He doesn’t care about the abused girls, he couldn’t give a toss about them. They are being used by him as much as their abusers used them.

Please can you tell us how long Islam has been a race?.. because as far as i can tell it is an ideology followed by a very diverse set of individual from many races... 

 

Oh and while you are at it... Please enlighten us on why you call him a bigot when he is more than prepared to have a debate with anyone and he does.... You see... Bigot is a word that means someone who is intolerant of people who have a different point of view than that of their own... you know?....<removed>

 

Oh and for the record, a racist is someone who considers people of other races to be inferior to that of their own race... Hmmmm.... Never ever heard TR claiming any other race to be inferior....

 

<removed>

[CharlieH]

If you want to continue you are reminded........

7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.
 

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Wait a minute.......

 

there's another forum?

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, Tweedle dee said:

This forum is BRILLIANT !

"Pleasantly surprised at the tolerance here"............

[Tweedle dee]

8 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Wait a minute.......

 

there's another forum?

Yep ,its called <deleted> R us.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

I can understand why they did jail him for that .

But then you'd need to explain how the Muslim guy on the soapbox outside the same court, saying the same things as Tommy, wasn't arrested.

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, Tweedle dee said:

Thank you for your valued opinion..and what you say has a lot of clout, would you ! put your self and your family's lives on the line for an ego trip ?

 

I wouldn't do what he does, I'd never join the England Defence League or try to increase hatred of Muslims in the UK. The problem with people like him is the effect they have on the dim witted who hang on to his every word without thinking about what his agenda is ... and as some of them are incapable of deep thought they just go out and harm someone ... attack or abuse some woman in a headscarf going about her business peacefully. Don't kid yourself that his life is in danger ... he wants you to think that he's a martyr, saving England ... but from what I read he's making a lot of money preaching to fellow bigots in the US and Australia. You'll find some hate preachers in mosques, Tommy is just the same.

[Brewster67]

19 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

I wouldn't do what he does, I'd never join the England Defence League or try to increase hatred of Muslims in the UK. The problem with people like him is the effect they have on the dim witted who hang on to his every word without thinking about what his agenda is ... and as some of them are incapable of deep thought they just go out and harm someone ... attack or abuse some woman in a headscarf going about her business peacefully. Don't kid yourself that his life is in danger ... he wants you to think that he's a martyr, saving England ... but from what I read he's making a lot of money preaching to fellow bigots in the US and Australia. You'll find some hate preachers in mosques, Tommy is just the same.

That is YOUR opinion and you are entitled to it.

 

But you are very wrong in just about everything you have said on this subject.

 

The ONLY person so far who has mentioned HATE... is you. and also you are very intolerant of anyone else's opinion, and you are insulting many members on here by conflating them as 'dim-witted' and 'fellow bigots'... I will say it again, a bigot is someone who is intolerant of other people's opinions that differ from their own.

 

Do you not see the irony in that?

 

he has done the UK a great service by blowing the whistle on what the authorities conspired to cover up and thus allowed to continue for absolutely DECADES...

 

To me, he is a typical working class hero.... can you possibly tolerate my opinion?...

 

For the record, are you taking a position of tolerance to the industrial scale grooming, rape and in some cases abduction and torture based on the fact the demographic is of an islamic one, and this behaviour is one that is cultural to them and thus are entitled to continue?

Edited November 3, 2018 by Brewster67

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, Brewster67 said:

the ONLY person so far who has mentioned HATE... is you. and also you are very intolerant of anyone else's opinion, and you are insulting many members on here by conflating them as 'dim-witted' and 'fellow bigots'... I will say it again, a bigot is someone who is intolerant of other people's opinions that differ from their own.

 

he has done the UK a great service by blowing the whistle on what the authorities conspired to cover up and thus allowed to continue for absolutely DECADES...

 

To me, he is a typical working class hero.... can you possibly tolerate my opinion?

 

He's a member of a hateful crowd of alt-right agitators who look only for Muslims doing wrong in order to stir up hatred against that group of people ... and the problem with that is that some poor sod gets beat up or abused in the street by the numb nuts that follow him. You do know that white christians take part in the abuse of children? Tommy Robinson does not care about that ... and he couldn't care less about the kids abused by Muslim grooming gangs either ... he just uses their suffering to promote his anti-Muslim rhetoric. 

 

 

[Brewster67]

3 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

He's a member of a hateful crowd of alt-right agitators who look only for Muslims doing wrong in order to stir up hatred against that group of people ... and the problem with that is that some poor sod gets beat up or abused in the street by the numb nuts that follow him. You do know that white christians take part in the abuse of children? Tommy Robinson does not care about that ... and he couldn't care less about the kids abused by Muslim grooming gangs either ... he just uses their suffering to promote his anti-Muslim rhetoric. 

 

 

Tommy Robinson does not care about the white Christians who abuse children because of one glaringly OBVIOUS fact that you fail to grasp... The police, social services, councils, child services and politicians at all levels never once conspire to cover any of that up, media organisations are NOT banned by the courts from reporting on white Christian paedophiles, they enjoy no protection of anonymity.... Unlike the cover ups that went on for decades.

 

As for claiming that muslims are being beaten up by people who support TR is pure fiction... there has NEVER and there will NEVER BE any case in the UK of anyone being beaten up or attacked because of what TR has said... If there was ever a single case, trust me, it would have been splashed all over the UK media for weeks.

 

You are now having to lie through your teeth to substantiate your bizarre claims... I have heard all these lies before... they are nothing new to me.

 

LONG LIVE TOMMY ROBINSON and that comes from a person with an IQ of 136.

[Brewster67]

13 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

He's a member of a hateful crowd of alt-right agitators who look only for Muslims doing wrong in order to stir up hatred against that group of people ... and the problem with that is that some poor sod gets beat up or abused in the street by the numb nuts that follow him. You do know that white christians take part in the abuse of children? Tommy Robinson does not care about that ... and he couldn't care less about the kids abused by Muslim grooming gangs either ... he just uses their suffering to promote his anti-Muslim rhetoric. 

 

 

Educate Yourself.

 

 

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Brewster67 said:

Educate Yourself.

 

 

 

I think it's you that needs an education. Start with the National Socialists in Germany ...