rooster59 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Italian storms claim 17th life, and 14 million trees Fallen trees are seen in the mountain near Belluno, Italy, November 3, 2018. Vigili del Fuoco/Handout via REUTERS MILAN (Reuters) - Heavy rain and gales devastating parts of Italy have claimed two more lives, taking the overall death toll to at least 17, and laid waste to vast swathes of forest. A German tourist died on Friday when hit by lightning on the island of Sardinia while another person struck by lightning several days ago died in hospital, Italy's Civil Protection Agency said on Saturday. A spokeswoman said 17 deaths related to the severe weather had been reported to the Agency so far. Many of the victims to date have been killed by falling trees. Coldiretti, the association of Italian agricultural companies, said in a statement that gales had destroyed around 14 million trees, many in the far north. Areas from the far northeast to Sicily in the southwest have been affected by the storms, with the worst damage in the northern regions of Trentino and Veneto - the region around Venice - where villages and roads have been cut off by landslides. In the Alps near Belluno, 100 km (60 miles) north of Venice, pine trees and red spruces were snapped wholesale like matchsticks. The surface of the Comelico Superiore dam, farther north near the Austrian border, was covered with the trunks of trees that had fallen into the Piave river. "We'll need at least a century to return to normality," Coldiretti said. Many of the squares and walkways of Venice itself have been submerged in the highest floods the canal city has seen in a decade. The governor of Veneto, Luca Zaia, said the region's storm damage amounted to at least a billion euros (877.73 million pounds). Angelo Borrelli, head of the Civil Protection agency, said Veneto had seen winds of up to 180 kph (112 mph), and that the situation there was "apocalyptic". Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini was due to visit the region on Sunday. -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted November 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2018 Get to the important bits. Has it/will have any effect on wine production? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, overherebc said: Get to the important bits. Has it/will have any effect on wine production? Nope, there were huge rains and 180 km/h winds in mountains valleys, quite likely related with an exceptionally hot October, but there are no bad news about the vineyards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 There is climate change ,it happens all the time has been for millions of years, in fact even in the 70s i think it was we had storms that knocked down thousands of trees in Britain , just nature , just like up to 50 million people died last time there was no rain for two years in 1875 and 1876 in Asia and Brazil etc . its called nature , not the tax grabbing "climate change" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Must have taken some time to count up to 17 million . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, bristolboy said: And what climatologists have put forth a theory saying "that freak weather is totally man-made." Stop creating falsehoods. If you read my posts, it should be obvious to you that i'm sitting on the fence, so don't accuse me of creating falsehoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said: Must have taken some time to count up to 17 million . They actually stopped counting after 14 million trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: 25 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said: Must have taken some time to count up to 17 million . They actually stopped counting after 14 million trees! Not so difficult, if you know the average number of trees in let's say, 100 square mts, and you have a rough idea of the size of the area involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Nope, there were huge rains and 180 km/h winds in mountains valleys, quite likely related with an exceptionally hot October, but there are no bad news about the vineyards. Thanks. Can now have an easy day. Sad about the loss of life though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, overherebc said: Thanks. Can now have an easy day. Sad about the loss of life though. As sad one can be for any loss of life, the numbers are quite low, compared to the magnitude of the disaster which happened in huge forest areas, but oddly enough, not in any major towns. There are probably more people killed in road accidents in Italy in one single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 More "weaponisation of weather" they have had the ability to change weather for 50 years now, but "they wouldn't do that would they? Not even to further their cause ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, mauGR1 said: Not so difficult, if you know the average number of trees in let's say, 100 square mts, and you have a rough idea of the size of the area involved. Then perhaps that's the way they should have quoted the estimated damage and a lot of homeless birds ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said: Then perhaps that's the way they should have quoted the estimated damage and a lot of homeless birds ???? Don't worry about the birds, still plenty of trees, and they don't get bills coming every month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Don't worry about the birds, still plenty of trees, and they don't get bills coming every month bills ?? don't you mean Beaks ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, bristolboy said: I actually did a simple and then not so simple search and found nothing. Unless you mean something as unreliable as "cloud seeding." But since that mainstream does report on that, it doesn't seem to conform to your claim. Before you resort to personal digs why not try harder? try "weaponization of weather" then if you don't agree with what you read - fine, but kindly resort from pointless attacks on my integrity ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Troll posts and the replies have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger70 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 hours ago, i claudius said: There is climate change ,it happens all the time has been for millions of years, in fact even in the 70s i think it was we had storms that knocked down thousands of trees in Britain , just nature , just like up to 50 million people died last time there was no rain for two years in 1875 and 1876 in Asia and Brazil etc . its called nature , not the tax grabbing "climate change" Thank you well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 hours ago, mauGR1 said: Don't worry about the birds, still plenty of trees, and they don't get bills coming every month Some do...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 9 hours ago, i claudius said: There is climate change ,it happens all the time has been for millions of years, in fact even in the 70s i think it was we had storms that knocked down thousands of trees in Britain , just nature , just like up to 50 million people died last time there was no rain for two years in 1875 and 1876 in Asia and Brazil etc . its called nature , not the tax grabbing "climate change" I missed reading your research. Can you tell me where it was published. Until then, I'll keep trusting to people known as climatologists. Scientists Can Now Blame Individual Natural Disasters on Climate Change Extreme event attribution is one of the most rapidly expanding areas of climate science https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-can-now-blame-individual-natural-disasters-on-climate-change/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 17 hours ago, bristolboy said: I missed reading your research. Can you tell me where it was published. Until then, I'll keep trusting to people known as climatologists. Scientists Can Now Blame Individual Natural Disasters on Climate Change Extreme event attribution is one of the most rapidly expanding areas of climate science https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-can-now-blame-individual-natural-disasters-on-climate-change/ Interesting these pseudo scientist are using the world "blame" rather than "link" or "correlate". I guess it is a blame game even for the guys in white coats with thick glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Interesting these pseudo scientist are using the world "blame" rather than "link" or "correlate". I guess it is a blame game even for the guys in white coats with thick glasses. Interesting that someone who believes he has the knowledge to discern who among scientists who is genuine and who not, doesn't understand that this is a survey article written by a reporter. Either the reporter chose the title or an editor did. The scientists in question had nothing to do with it. Edited November 5, 2018 by bristolboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 hours ago, bristolboy said: Interesting that someone who believes he has the knowledge to discern who among scientists who is genuine and who not, doesn't understand that this is a survey article written by a reporter. Either the reporter chose the title or an editor did. The scientists in question had nothing to do with it. I don't blame the reporter nor the editor, just do it right the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: I don't blame the reporter nor the editor, just do it right the next time. Then who do you blame? The "pseudo scientists" who had nothing to do with that title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Then who do you blame? The "pseudo scientists" who had nothing to do with that title? I don't blame anybody, it is just a poor choice of word if they want to get the message across. Why the blame game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: I don't blame anybody, it is just a poor choice of word if they want to get the message across. Why the blame game? You call these cliimatologists "pseudo scientists" and you get indignant about "blame game"? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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