Doctors warn parents after boy in Nan collapses from over exposure to video games and Internet

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, manarak said:

The problem is more complicated than all that.

 

The MAIN problem is the lack of attractivity of "real life" vs. digital distrations.

When I was a kid, doing sports was so cheap it was almost free, there were cows and other animals in the fields, it was possible to do thrilling (i.e. mildly dangerous) things without getting the police called in. Nowadays, everything seems forbidden and everything is expensive, even access to information.

Digital media and games are the natural choice.

I grew up with the introduction of computers.. i had my sports.. my outside games and inside games.  I can say that i loved the computer and so did many of my friends. Its not a major problem.

 

It becomes a major problem if you don't do anything else but playing computer games and not eat or exercise.

[manarak]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

I grew up with the introduction of computers.. i had my sports.. my outside games and inside games.  I can say that i loved the computer and so did many of my friends. Its not a major problem.

 

It becomes a major problem if you don't do anything else but playing computer games and not eat or exercise.

exercise is boring.

sports need to be fun and the brain needs activity, especially for higher IQs

 

when computers were introduced I started with an Excelvision EXL 100 back in 1985, but had spent some time on a friend's computer (Zenith Data Systems Z-100) back in 1980-1982 when the floppies still were real floppy.

These things were pretty limited and of course no internet.

After a couple of hours, they became tedious, but that was before the internet. The internet changed everything.

 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, manarak said:

exercise is boring.

sports need to be fun and the brain needs activity, especially for higher IQs

 

when computers were introduced I started with an Excelvision EXL 100 back in 1985, but had spent some time on a friend's computer (Zenith Data Systems Z-100) back in 1980-1982 when the floppies still were real floppy.

These things were pretty limited and of course no internet.

After a couple of hours, they became tedious, but that was before the internet. The internet changed everything.

 

Exercise is not much fun that is for sure. But we have to have it. 

 

I started with a commodore 16 not sure about the year, that started with a tape recorder for data not floppies.

[HAKAPALITA]

37 minutes ago, robblok said:

Look who is talking posting from his mobile .. looks like a phone addiction ????

 

I am a part time gamer among many things.

Easy to guess the other things, i was a Need For Speed addict for 2 years.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Easy to guess the other things, i was a Need For Speed addict for 2 years.

Never been much of a first person shooter or racer. I was / am strategy game guy. I also liked world of warcraft the online game. Now i sometimes play strategy games or do some VR. 

 

VR is nice but you can't do it long because of the visor on your face. But it fun for an hour or 2. There are some games that actually give you a workout especially in VR. Still real exercise wins.

[manarak]

26 minutes ago, robblok said:

Exercise is not much fun that is for sure. But we have to have it. 

 

I started with a commodore 16 not sure about the year, that started with a tape recorder for data not floppies.

yes, same for the EXL100... audio tapes

and my uncle had an Amstrad CPC 464... tapes too !!!

 

[HappyAndRich]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

I understand the report, the problem is you .. you don't understand that correlation and causation are not the same. Once you have studied that then come back to me. 

 

*edit* 

 

Ok let me explain it myself, suppose we got in a car 3 people with red t shirts and 1 person with green. Now they have an accident all 3 in red are nice but the guy in green is dead. Suddenly we can say that wearing a green T shirt during a crash is deadly. However it also shows that the person in green had no seat belts on.

 

So just because you can use statistics to make a connection (correlation) it does not mean that the green T shirt caused the problem. It also could have been the seat belt, but even that is not sure. Just because you compare some groups and can point to correlation that does not mean the causation is correct. 

 

They never proven that the activity they described really caused it only that there was on paper correlation. 

 

They did no before and after tests to people who were not addicted and later were addicted or people with heavy use and no use. They did no such tests they only state that people in these groups according to statistics have a larger change to a certain behavior.  (correlation) while real proof would be if they proven causation. 

 

To prove causation you need to follow from healthy to sick or from sick to healthy.. not just report on statistics.

 

 

Sure, you are the wise one. First asking for reports. Then you get them. After the reports are not right. Sure, again! Wiser than all.

Don´t start telling me that Trump is good for the US too.

Edited November 6, 2018 by HappyAndRich

[balo]

4 hours ago, manarak said:

(Zenith Data Systems Z-100) back in 1980-1982 when the floppies still were real floppy.

These things were pretty limited and of course no internet.

After a couple of hours, they became tedious, but that was before the internet. The internet changed everything.

 

And if you ask me this is the main problem. 

 

In the late 80's I was already an IT man and at home I would use a computer to do my work , word processing etc.   

Then someone introduced me to BBS , so with a modem (300 baud) we could connect to the outside world , in this case only a server to exchange files. I spent maybe 1 hour daily doing that and it was fun. 

 

Then the Internet arrived , and I would buy an analog modem (28k) connected to my phone line I would spend 2-3 hours daily .  

When I came home from work that would be the first thing I did , turn on the PC . Must have been around 1995.

 

Then over a time period of 5 years everything changed , it was like everyone became addicted to the Internet. And we had no choice , banks and governments used it , games , everything was within our reach thanks to the Internet. 

 

But nobody talked about addiction in those days , because internet was not switched on 24/7 . In 1999 I was connected 24/7 , but only at home and at work . No smart phones in those days.

I got tired of it all , I would rather spend times outdoor then sitting in front of a screen.

So when the real explosion started with online games I had enough of it . Unfortunately the younger generation does not see it as a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

[manarak]

7 hours ago, balo said:

 

And if you ask me this is the main problem. 

 

In the late 80's I was already an IT man and at home I would use a computer to do my work , word processing etc.   

Then someone introduced me to BBS , so with a modem (300 baud) we could connect to the outside world , in this case only a server to exchange files. I spent maybe 1 hour daily doing that and it was fun. 

 

Then the Internet arrived , and I would buy an analog modem (28k) connected to my phone line I would spend 2-3 hours daily .  

When I came home from work that would be the first thing I did , turn on the PC . Must have been around 1995.

 

Then over a time period of 5 years everything changed , it was like everyone became addicted to the Internet. And we had no choice , banks and governments used it , games , everything was within our reach thanks to the Internet. 

 

But nobody talked about addiction in those days , because internet was not switched on 24/7 . In 1999 I was connected 24/7 , but only at home and at work . No smart phones in those days.

I got tired of it all , I would rather spend times outdoor then sitting in front of a screen.

So when the real explosion started with online games I had enough of it . Unfortunately the younger generation does not see it as a problem.

 

the internet is not anymore distinct from most people's lives, it has become a necessary part of everyday life. I don't see it as a thing to get addicted to, more like a means of communication that makes available what many people then in the end get addicted to: online games, news, chat...

I'm not sure "the internet" can be blamed for what happens. What I am sure of is that people responsible for making "real life" unattractive are at least equally to blame.

Personal freedoms and REAL purchasing power (i.e. the ability to buy other people's work as well as real estate, not cheap electronics) are cornerstones of real life enjoyability. But due to social pressure and hunt for capital yields this is an unsolvable problem.

[RotBenz8888]

unresponsive shock, trembling at the mouth and limbs and with his extremities cold to the touch

 

From gaming. Great assessment, doc. Of course it wasn't because of those pills he'd taken to stay awake for a week....

[Cheops]

On 11/5/2018 at 2:26 PM, HappyAndRich said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905568/

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160425095529.htm

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24494091

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4718307/

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4432783/

 

http://scinzer.com/J/List/3/iss/Volume 2, 2016/NO 1/4.pdf

 

Nice reading! Tell me if you might want more.

 

 

Let's see: we have 1 collapsed boy out of about 40 million active Thai internet users under who a lot of gamers and now excessive computer or phone use is bad? 

 

That boy was just tired and weak because of bad nutrition and after some electrolyte fluids he's good to go. 

 

All those studies which say it's bad, but you can count the people with problems due to gaming worldwide on 1 hand.

 

In the past they said they same about the TV, now it's the phone and computer. 

 

My screen hours: my work basically is 90% on the computer, when I come home after about 9 or 10 hours work I continue to use the computer for my websites and in between I use my phone as well.

[Cheops]

On 11/5/2018 at 10:17 PM, Bangkok Herps said:

It's the parents' fault, but it's not "just" the parents' fault. For years now the tech industry has been hiring psychologists and studying psychological manipulation in order to make their screens as addictive as possible. It's incredible how much resources that some of the smart phone and social media companies have put into that endeavor. 

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/8/17664580/persuasive-technology-psychology

 

https://www.wired.com/story/our-minds-have-been-hijacked-by-our-phones-tristan-harris-wants-to-rescue-them/

 

 

 

 

 

 

And those who are doubting the negative effects on children of large amounts of screen time should take it up with Silicon Valley. A substantial percentage of the people who profit most off of these technologies and who know them the best are keeping their own kids away from there.

 

 

 

A Dark Consensus About Screens and Kids Begins to Emerge in Silicon Valley

The Digital Gap Between Rich and Poor Kids is Not What We Expected

Silicon Valley Nannies are Phone Police for Kids
 

And what did you use to write all this crap?

[balo]

2 hours ago, Cheops said:

My screen hours: my work basically is 90% on the computer, when I come home after about 9 or 10 hours work I continue to use the computer for my websites and in between I use my phone as well.

If your screen hours are 9 hours at work and then maybe another 8 hours at home you have a problem. 

But Im talking about big screens , using the smartphone at all hours of the day , and night is what people do today .

 

That needs to stay connected to social network platforms , I am not addicted to that at all , if people need to contact me they have my number.  

 

 

 

[poanoi]

On 11/5/2018 at 5:44 PM, Gandtee said:

 

So are you saying Television didn't help to produce the sort of crime and behaviour we see today? The language used today on TV would not have been allowed when I was a boy. We know children are led by example and the media companies have a moral responsibility towards that, and all adults come to that. It is not only parents who are responsible for raising the next generation but all adults. Perhaps us 'old farts' have had longer to assess the results of modern entertainment.

it also gave us a much more varied and interesting sex life,

before porn movies, we didnt even cum up with the idea of anal sex or swallow, so u c, you havnt extracted all data from your 50 years of assessment

[HAKAPALITA]

4 hours ago, poanoi said:

it also gave us a much more varied and interesting sex life,

before porn movies, we didnt even cum up with the idea of anal sex or swallow, so u c, you havnt extracted all data from your 50 years of assessment

Did Adam have a Laptop..

[faraday]

On 11/5/2018 at 1:42 PM, robblok said:

Love to see a study on this.. because as far as i know this has never proven but often touted by old farts kinda like how the TV would destroy us all.. then it was computers.. now it is mobiles.. i wonder what it is next time.

Cannabis Rob, the evil weed.

 

 

[thaiguzzi]

On 11/5/2018 at 11:21 AM, missoura said:

Even in the darkest areas of Nakokn Nowhere I see kids and phones.

Nice Roman Coliseum concrete posts on that wooden house....

Classy & practical......

[Cheops]

9 hours ago, balo said:

If your screen hours are 9 hours at work and then maybe another 8 hours at home you have a problem. 

But Im talking about big screens , using the smartphone at all hours of the day , and night is what people do today .

 

That needs to stay connected to social network platforms , I am not addicted to that at all , if people need to contact me they have my number.  

After my work I use the computer 1 to 3 hours. Not too much. I'm not addicted to social media. I use FB for advertising. 

[Bangkok Herps]

On 11/6/2018 at 11:30 PM, Cheops said:

And what did you use to write all this crap?

A laptop.

And I'm not a kid.