London violent crime could take 'a generation' to solve

[ivor bigun]

Acknowledge Met Police are claiming UK blacks are involved with knife crime and as reported elsewhere by so named 'postal' youth gangs in London, plus of course white UK national criminals.  However, provide credible source/s for your claims of non UK citizens committing a statistically important number of knife crime. I say 'statistically important' as no group is free of criminal elements.

Just reported another murder in London,now wonder what colour he was ,two gueses, no not white

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[johnray]

The government has pushed people off the edge from the working class to an underclass.  No tools to dig themselves out of the hole. If you take away the tools from people you will now have an underworld.

 

The government would rather pocket the money and demonize the ''other people'' than actually do what they are employed to do. We should not claim benefits it is an entitlement via general taxation. You cannot embrace globalization and not have a functioning work/benefits model. If they want to starve people into using food banks and turning against each other than say hello to your underworld.  We need to stop believing the government lack funds.

Edited November 6, 2018 by johnray

[simple1]

45 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Just reported another murder in London,now wonder what colour he was ,two gueses, no not white

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Yet again non answer / deflection. From your attitude people would think there is no white crime in England / Wales, but...

 

Black crime statistics vs White UK

England and Wales crime statistics

	White	Black
Population aged 10 and over (2009)	88.6%	2.7%
Stops and searches under Police and Criminal Evidence Act	67.2%	14.6%
Arrests 2009/10	79.6%	8.0%
Prison population (including foreign nationals)	72.0%	13.7%

Edited November 6, 2018 by simple1

[ivor bigun]

Yet again non answer / deflection. From your attitude people would think there is no white crime in England / Wales, but...  

Black crime statistics vs White UK England and Wales crime statistics

	White	Black
Population aged 10 and over (2009)	88.6%	2.7%
Stops and searches under Police and Criminal Evidence Act	67.2%	14.6%
Arrests 2009/10	79.6%	8.0%
Prison population (including foreign nationals)	72.0%	13.7%

Sorry,thought we were discussing London crime,dont deflect now, now my sister lives in a small market town ,any crime there is certainly commited by white people,but then 99.9% of the population there are.mind you i know there is at least 1 immigrant there,she works in the Chinese restaurant. 

By the way its 5 killed in the last week, not white i am afraid ,the last one was a drill rapper,whatever that is.

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[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Acknowledge Met Police are claiming UK blacks are involved with knife crime and as reported elsewhere by so named 'postal' youth gangs in London, plus of course white UK national criminals.  However, provide credible source/s for your claims of non UK citizens committing a statistically important number of knife crime. I say 'statistically important' as no group is free of criminal elements.

I don't know about "non-Uk citizens" but the following from the link you  posted to BBC stats appears to be relevant.

 

"For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 137 knife offences in 2017-18, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators".

 

One of the problems with crime figures, as we know to our cost from the cover-up of the activities of the so-called "grooming gangs" of mainly Pakistani Muslim men, is the political correctness which inhibits the police and other relevant bodies from revealing possibly relevant information about the backgrounds, ethnicity etc of perpetrators and victims.

 

This said, a quick flip through the pictures and names of victims of the year's knife crimes published in a national newspaper recently, was enough to indicate that  a "statistically important" majority were of Asian and Afro-Caribbean origin.

 

As we know from the numerous Islamist terror attacks committed and thwarted in recent years, criminals are often not recent migrants or foreigners but the offspring of immigrants torn between the demands of their inherited family culture and that of their adopted homeland.

 

Increasing police numbers will obviously impact crime figures, but a broad range of social and economic measures is needed to tackle the root causes of the rising tide of violence afflicting our capital, where ethnic British citizens are now no longer in the majority.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Krataiboy

[Trouble]

The trend for this kind of thing is obvious.  The decent folks move out and leave the inner cities to the thugs and the poor and then everything gets worse. Then instead of kicking in a few heads now and then the city officials, unable to tackle the problem, blame tax cuts on the wealthy.  It's all the fault of the wealthy, you see, because they did not pay for more services.  Same the world over.  

 

On a slightly different note, I was having my car worked on yesterday and was in the waiting area and the TV had the MauryShow on.  If anyone ever wanted to know where America is headed just watch some daytime TV and get a good look at some of the morons that inhabit the country. 

[seahorse]

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

On my screen it's very hard to see that link as being different from the rest of the text.

That said, how does the increase of immigrant justify lowering the number of police on the streets? I don't understand. If you've got a problem that's getting worse, you cut the resources to fight it?

It seems that you are too blinkered to see that it is an immigration problem, not a resources problem. 

[CharlieH]

Off topic post and response removed.

[Patriot1066]

10 hours ago, observer90210 said:

I'm sure there should be some way to put the blame again on the Brexiters ?! ????

Probably ????

[Patriot1066]

17 hours ago, Trouble said:

The trend for this kind of thing is obvious.  The decent folks move out and leave the inner cities to the thugs and the poor and then everything gets worse. Then instead of kicking in a few heads now and then the city officials, unable to tackle the problem, blame tax cuts on the wealthy.  It's all the fault of the wealthy, you see, because they did not pay for more services.  Same the world over.  

 

On a slightly different note, I was having my car worked on yesterday and was in the waiting area and the TV had the MauryShow on.  If anyone ever wanted to know where America is headed just watch some daytime TV and get a good look at some of the morons that inhabit the country. 

Yes it's nothing to do with the parents, or race, or immigration it's just people who work hard and have a little money.

 

It is however to do with the Met police.

 

Firstly see they stopped stop and search cos it only stopped black people ( who carry the knives) and few white people. So was discrimination.

 

So people carry knives and if caught do not go yo jail usually £150 fine 12 months probation type thing.

 

Secondly they are now starting stop and search again as it stops knife crime!!!

 

Basically the gangs own the streets at night in East and South London.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Patriot1066]

4 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

I don't know about "non-Uk citizens" but the following from the link you  posted to BBC stats appears to be relevant.

 

"For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 137 knife offences in 2017-18, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators".

 

One of the problems with crime figures, as we know to our cost from the cover-up of the activities of the so-called "grooming gangs" of mainly Pakistani Muslim men, is the political correctness which inhibits the police and other relevant bodies from revealing possibly relevant information about the backgrounds, ethnicity etc of perpetrators and victims.

 

This said, a quick flip through the pictures and names of victims of the year's knife crimes published in a national newspaper recently, was enough to indicate that  a "statistically important" majority were of Asian and Afro-Caribbean origin.

 

As we know from the numerous Islamist terror attacks committed and thwarted in recent years, criminals are often not recent migrants or foreigners but the offspring of immigrants torn between the demands of their inherited family culture and that of their adopted homeland.

 

Increasing police numbers will obviously impact crime figures, but a broad range of social and economic measures is needed to tackle the root causes of the rising tide of violence afflicting our capital, where ethnic British citizens are now no longer in the majority.

Your not far wrong at all.

 

They will record 'British' for most crimes they had an emergency appeal out a few weeks ago for a multiple rapist.

 

Description something like this.

 

Blue Jeans

curly hair 

dark top

Dreadlocks

long hair

 

At no time will they say the colour unless they are white!

 

Its not police numbers entirely, most of the experienced coppers have been forced out or left due to the amount of politically correct re training social work type courses etc etc and lack of  coherent sentencing since Labours sentencing guide lines were adopted.

 

its a mess caused by successive administrations trying not to say what the issues are. Lack of good role models, lack of fathers involved, mothers not capable of looking after kids, gangs who generate money, it is mostly a black on black issue relating to gang truth wars. And big Somali communities.

 

plus we have had hundreds of Muslims convicted for mass rape of white girls. They were allowed to get away with it for years advice the police knew but didn't want to upset the Muslim community I kid you not. In one case the daughters father went to the flat they were holding his daughter kicked the door in and now has a conviction for racial motivated assault whilst his 15 year old pissed and drugged daughter was left with the perverts who continued raping her.

[guest879]

the mayor of London is an idiot. he stopped people being search because the cops were predominantly searching a certain 'group' of people who were carrying knives which has caused this problem to exponentially get worse. whites are now a minority in London. good luck getting him voted out. the problem is only getting worse. I cant imagine how bad things will be in 10 years. 

[John1012]

20 hours ago, alfieconn said:

So tax cuts makes boys / young men go out carrying knifes does it ? incidentally if the police are that short why don't they transfer the 900 officers working on hurty hurty hate crime to the streets ? 

Agreed, political correctness and very,very weak leadership...May and her acolytes , Corbyn ,Abbot, Dick and Khant. No stop and search, because the majority of the  culprits are non caucasian it would be profiling, and therefore RACIST. Which is <deleted>, a thug roaming the streets carrying a weapon or drugs is still a thug, regardless of colour or religion. Weak sentencing, bring back hard labour, breaking rocks from morning to night, no television etc. Severe punishment, no dietary complience, eat what you get or not, if you die from not eating tough shit. Prisoners who physically commit crimes on people should be accorded the same human rights by society that they themselves had shown to their victims.

[Baerboxer]

On 11/6/2018 at 9:32 AM, bert bloggs said:

There would not be so much knife crime if it was just the sort of people who used to live in London many years ago still lived there , just have to look at the pictures of those doing it and the victims of the crimes , most are non white ,sorry if that's racist ,but its the truth .

 

Unfortunately we now see the results of Politically Correct Policing. The response from government is weak and lame because they are frightened to admit reality. As for local government and tosser Khan, just expect excuses and blaming anyone and everyone but himself and his cronies. 

 

My daughter has Bachelor and Masters degrees in Criminology, International Policing and Forensic science. She spent time as an exchange student in Texas with a local sheriffs's department and studies other forces. Her opinion of the current level of the British police service is very very low in comparison. Quite frankly I wouldn't want to be a Special again these days.

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

Your not far wrong at all.

 

They will record 'British' for most crimes they had an emergency appeal out a few weeks ago for a multiple rapist.

 

Description something like this.

 

Blue Jeans

curly hair 

dark top

Dreadlocks

long hair

 

At no time will they say the colour unless they are white!

 

Its not police numbers entirely, most of the experienced coppers have been forced out or left due to the amount of politically correct re training social work type courses etc etc and lack of  coherent sentencing since Labours sentencing guide lines were adopted.

 

its a mess caused by successive administrations trying not to say what the issues are. Lack of good role models, lack of fathers involved, mothers not capable of looking after kids, gangs who generate money, it is mostly a black on black issue relating to gang truth wars. And big Somali communities.

 

plus we have had hundreds of Muslims convicted for mass rape of white girls. They were allowed to get away with it for years advice the police knew but didn't want to upset the Muslim community I kid you not. In one case the daughters father went to the flat they were holding his daughter kicked the door in and now has a conviction for racial motivated assault whilst his 15 year old pissed and drugged daughter was left with the perverts who continued raping her.

 

The last thing the left and liberals want is any sort of profiling by the police that might show the flaws in the policies and views they've rammed down people's throats for years.

 

IME, the Police will do anything to avoid falling foul of their political masters. A mess which will just get worse until / if ever, someone faces up to the reality.

[ivor bigun]

Just reported in the news another stabbing in London,any guesses,on his race?

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[malagateddy]

Get thr troops on the streets of the " bad " areas..plenty stop n search also. Make punishment fit the crime..eg..caught in possession of knife..10 years..stab someone..20 years..no remission..
Glasgow's gang culture was sorted out by the above.
Right now the lowlife are winning..there's no deterrent whatsoever.
Also..why not hire the man who cleaned up New York..Rudi Gilliano? as a Consultant??
It's really up to the law abiding people of London to demonstrate and make a massive noise at their Majors office..also they should get any sympathetic press/media to give it " big licks ".


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[alfieconn]

Sorry, but have to laugh at what the UK has become,having seen various TV shows discussing knife crime etc and not one panellist has mentioned that it is the fault of the parents, in fact they blame everyone and everything apart from the parents.

Discipline and respect is taught by the parents/parent it's not rocket science !

For a short term solution why are parents in inner city areas letting their kids out to roam the streets at the risk of getting stabbed or stabbing someone ? surely any parent with an ounce of sense would say to their children "it's too dangerous out there and your staying indoors until this problem is resolved"

Another solution would be to arrest and charge the parents of any child caught with a knife.

[Patriot1066]

2 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Just reported in the news another stabbing in London,any guesses,on his race?

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‘British Black’ looking at the pictures sad only 15 just a kid.

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

I hope that the next time you all rail on about gun crime in the US, you keep in mind the important points raised here about victims/perpetrators and PC policing. You cant say those things in America.

I wish we were allowed to have the same rights as American Citizens.

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Get thr troops on the streets of the " bad " areas..plenty stop n search also. Make punishment fit the crime..eg..caught in possession of knife..10 years..stab someone..20 years..no remission..
Glasgow's gang culture was sorted out by the above.
Right now the lowlife are winning..there's no deterrent whatsoever.
Also..why not hire the man who cleaned up New York..Rudi Gilliano? as a Consultant??
It's really up to the law abiding people of London to demonstrate and make a massive noise at their Majors office..also they should get any sympathetic press/media to give it " big licks ".


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Unfortunately Sadie Khan is to partisan to take help from Gilliano. But has set up a committee to look at it!!! Typical socialist view sort everything by not actually doing anything!

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, alfieconn said:

Sorry, but have to laugh at what the UK has become,having seen various TV shows discussing knife crime etc and not one panellist has mentioned that it is the fault of the parents, in fact they blame everyone and everything apart from the parents.

Discipline and respect is taught by the parents/parent it's not rocket science !

For a short term solution why are parents in inner city areas letting their kids out to roam the streets at the risk of getting stabbed or stabbing someone ? surely any parent with an ounce of sense would say to their children "it's too dangerous out there and your staying indoors until this problem is resolved"

Another solution would be to arrest and charge the parents of any child caught with a knife.

IT IS NOT THE PARENTS FAULT AT ALL OR THE ABSENT FATHERS IT IS THOSE WHO WORK AND PAY TAXES FAULT.

 

Please repeat the above 100 times so you start to be re educated by the liberal elite who run the BBC, Police, and other agencies.

 

It has nothing to do with, Race, Religion, Colour, Imported people and their cultures it is the fault of everyone except the murderers who knife people to death!

 

Incidentally, penalty for carrying a large sharp kitchen knife in the street £150 fine and a suspended sentence, particularly as those under 18 are considered 'children' yea right.

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  

 

[simple1]

On 11/6/2018 at 9:24 PM, ivor bigun said:

<SNIP>

Yet again non answer / deflection

[ivor bigun]

Yet again non answer / deflection

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[bert bloggs]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Yet again non answer / deflection

yet again head buried in sand

[bristolboy]

Has anybody considered the relationship between income level and knife crime?

[simple1]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Has anybody considered the relationship between income level and knife crime?

Some info which may be of use...

 

Overall UK arrest rates by ethnicity:

 

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

 

Bit out of date, but assume causes are roughly the same.

 

Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London

[ivor bigun]

Some info which may be of use...
 
Overall UK arrest rates by ethnicity:
 
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest
 
Bit out of date, but assume causes are roughly the same.
 

Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#Race_and_crime_in_London

So it looks like black people who do not work and live of our taxes commit the most crimes, so lose lose, aint immegration great,looks as if we imported the crime wave

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[simple1]

1 minute ago, ivor bigun said:

So it looks like black people who do not work and live of our taxes commit the most crimes, so lose lose, aint immegration great,looks as if we imported the crime wave

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The very large majority of 'blacks' in the UK would be UK citizens, not immigrants.