Hi-so Rent Girls

[thaigene2]

There have been a few stories about how the Japanese practice of 'compensated dating' is catching on with Thailand's Hi-So University Girls. (Apparently they do it for kicks, and a bit of extra cash, even though many come from rich families).

Is this a trend? If so, do they only go out with hi-so rich Thai guys? Or will they go out with anyone who will pass on some cash? I've hear there's a Web site dedicated to this but Google search found nothing. Anyone know about this?

[Darknight]

http://ins.onlinedemocracy.ca/modules.php?...rticle&sid=2588

[george]

http://ins.onlinedemocracy.ca/modules.php?...rticle&sid=2588

Here is the full article:

BANGKOK: -- Children from financially secure homes across East Asia are being lured into the sex trade through a practice euphemistically known as 'compensated dating', child rights activists warned here Monday.

Already, a leading international child rights organisation has

detected the trend among children with middle- and

upper-middle-class backgrounds in China, South Korea, Singapore,

Philippines and Thailand who are being trapped into this form of

sex abuse.

"The girls and boys often meet the sex exploiters through the

Internet," said Amalee McCoy, Asia-Pacific regional officer for

End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Trafficking of

Children for Sexual Purposes (ECPAT).

"Typically, these children don't have a dire need for financial

support," added McCoy, but "they have a desire to purchase consumer

goods".

This pattern of sexual exploitation, which had its origins in

Japan, was a main theme in an annual report on child sex abuse

launched here by ECPAT, a non-governmental organisation (NGO) that

has been working since 1987 to protect children from adult

predators.

The majority of the adult exploiters are "men, married and single,

paedophiles and those who are sexually indiscriminate and from a

variety of respectable professions," the 152-page report revealed.

"In Japan at least, high-profile cases have exposed teachers,

police officers and judges as 'enjo kosai' partakers".

'Enjo kosai' is the word that emerged in Japan over a decade ago

to describe cases of adult males seeking school girls for 'dates'

that often resulted in sex.

But ECPAT argues that such a description is "a misnomer, implying

a mutually beneficial relationship between consenting persons and

overlooking the predatory nature behind it".

As McCoy told the press during the launch of the report, children

lured into this form of abuse have been raped, murdered,

blackmailed and threatened.

There is little dispute, though, about the common profile of the

victims.. "Most are 'typical' teenage students, usually girls, from

middle-class families and with few outwardly perceivable social or

financial problems," the ECPAT report notes.

A 16-year-old Thai girl identified as 'May' is a case in point, it

adds. Before being caught in a "lucrative escort business", she

had been selected to "lead an anti-drug advertising campaign and

was a well-known student at a leading educational institution".

She mirrors what child rights activists had learnt about Japan,

where the girls come from 'decent' families and are "not

particularly rebellious nor trouble makers". According to ECPAT,

the attraction to this form of 'dating' with adult men who are

strangers is a way of "earning gifts and extra spending money to

supplement living expenses, buy consumer goods, cover nights out

with friends or pay for hobbies and trips".

The age of children trapped in this net of abuse varies. In Japan,

'enjo kosai' is so common a phenomenon that "13 percent of

respondents in a recent survey of junior high school students in

their final year admitted to practising it", the report reveals.

The common age of junior high school students is between 13 to 15

years.

In South Korea, a police study cited by the report highlights "two

to three students in every middle and high school class" believed

to be involved in prostitution. "Statistics for 2000 show 222 girls

aged 18 or younger were caught by police engaging in 'wonjo

kyojae', with girls aged under 16 accounting for 62.6 percent of

cases."

'Wonjo kyojae' is the Korean word for 'compensated dating', which

is often made through on-line chats on the Internet.

The case of a 16-year-old Thai schoolboy involved in such activity

also illustrates the money to be made.

Through his involvement in prostitution via the Internet, "he had

earned more than 200,000 baht (5,000 U.S. dollars) over two year,"

the report states.

In another case, a 16-year-old Thai girl had earned up to 100,000

baht (2,630 U.S. dollars) a month by serving adult males through

an escort service.

For child rights activists, this disturbing trend adds to an

already long list of abuse arising from children being forced into

the sex trade across Asia and elsewhere. "Many children are being

forced into prostitution by persons familiar to them," Anil

Raghuvanshi, deputy director of ECPAT International, said in

introducing the report.

Children, along with women, also continue to be trafficked in large

numbers in South-east Asia, largely from impoverished Burma,

China's Yunnan province and Laos.

According to the International Labour Organisation, an estimated

200,000 to 250,000 women and children "are trafficked for all

purposes in and through the region annually", the report states.

But countering the new trend will not easy, the report concedes,

since the public perception -- fed by media reports -- is not one

sympathetic to the child victims. Across this region, children are

either portrayed as having "loose morals" or being "spoiled, greedy

and motivated by a desire for the latest mobile phones".

"Such reports rarely shed light on the perpetrators, the likely

psychological damage to the child, the vulnerability to sexually

transmitted infections, or the grave and sometimes fatal physical

danger that accompanies liaisons with strangers," the report notes.

Compounding that problem are the new advances in mobile phone

technology, particularly the 3G network, which enables the user to

access Internet, send and receive text and multimedia messages at

high speed, take photographs and, of course, converse with another

caller.

"These mobile phones will make it easier for the links to be

established with children," Stuart Hyde, assistant chief constable

for crime at Britain's West Midlands police headquarters, told IPS.

"Monitoring mobile phone usage is difficult, unlike a personal

computer."

He warned about the likely explosion of child pornography, too,

given the increasingly common camera feature built into today's

mobile phones. "Once those pictures are on the web, they are there

for life," he said during the report's launch. "The children will

have no control of the pictures."

The only remedy, he urged, was a combined effort involving the

mobile phone industry. "Government, the industry and NGOs have to

work together to eradicate this issue."

For McCoy, change will also need a shift in thinking. "Children do

not have the skills to balance out the psychological and physical

repercussion of commercial sex abuse," she said. "Children would

not volunteer towards their own exploitation."

--IPS/GIN 2004-05-22

[Papi]

Sounds good to me.

[stroll]

In what way?

[thaimee]

For McCoy, change will also need a shift in thinking. "Children do

not have the skills to balance out the psychological and physical

repercussion of commercial sex abuse," she said. "Children would

not volunteer towards their own exploitation."

--IPS/GIN 2004-05-22

Psychologist's get paid for stating the obvious don't you think? Thaimee.

[mbkudu]

I'm not sure how they can be called 'victims' or 'trapped' as the article suggests.

I reckon they are doing something far worse than the girls down the road at Patpong, because they don't NEED the money, they WANT the money. The word

victimisation, in my opinion just does not apply. Boo Hoo Hoo.

[dragonmasterzip]

I knew a number of girls who did enjo kosai in Japan.

I find the victim part a big stretch.

I find most of teh psychologists who talk about this are women who are uptight or men who are anal retentive.

Do some of these girls make bad decisions, yes, but then I know none of you ever made a bad decision in your life.

###### I find most psychologists are psychologists because they are very sick people who were hoping to cure their own butts, but failed and now would like to "cure" as many people as they can convince are sick and need their help at $200 an hour.

What me cynical?

[stroll]

For McCoy, change will also need a shift in thinking. "Children do

not have the skills to balance out the psychological and physical

repercussion of commercial sex abuse," she said. "Children would

not volunteer towards their own exploitation."

--IPS/GIN 2004-05-22

Psychologist's get paid for stating the obvious don't you think? Thaimee.

Not so obvious to the many 'expert' psychologists and paid-sex enthusiasts who post here.

Next they will complain about NGOs meddling with their rights to have 'relationships' with the under 15 years olds.

[maerim]

Hi-So

I am not sure of the libel laws in this part of the world but if I were Hi-So I would be in contact with my lawyer.

She has plenty of ammunition for a multi action law suit I would have thought with her name used in relation to sex work.

[thaigene2]

Thanks. I also saw the ECPAT article. But needless to say they are trying to make a link to under-age commercial sex, since that's their focus and it's how they raise their funds by banging the child-sex drum.

I would guess if this Anjo Kosai is happening in Thailand, it is primarily girls above the legal age, especially university girls. Need to separate the wheat from the chaf so to speak, chai mai?

[maerim]

banging the child-sex drum.

I have no idea what that is but it sounds terrible and it should be stopped at once.

[MadFrankie]

hard to see the victim bit..

Its not like theres a mamasan there sayin "big fat old farang pay bar for you, u go boom boom him, get yer back door kicked in, and let him slim shady you, or theres going to be trouble!!!!"..

I suppose this compensated dating is what the freelancers that hang around in nana carpark convince themselves their doing.. Coz for some reason they refuse to belive they are hoez, mebbe just think there on a different date every night

[Basher]

And where can I go shopping for these delights please?

Bash

[MadFrankie]

www.bangkokchat.org

[Basher]

This is of course for research purposes for my new book 'Hi so... So Hi Tee Rak'

A simple story about a millionaire politicians daughter, who when sacked form Macdonalds decides to get revenge on society by going on the game.

Does it sound like a winner?

Bash

[mbkudu]

This is of course for research purposes for my new book 'Hi so... So Hi Tee Rak'

A simple story about a millionaire politicians daughter, who when sacked form Macdonalds decides to get revenge on society by going on the game.

Does it sound like a winner?

Bash

I'd say you'd be walking on the razor's edge mate.

[chingy_]

a hooker is always a hooker no matter where they work, for hi-so or low-so, unless they quite and walk away from all of it.

[Papi]

In what way?

If I have to explain it to you, it looses and won't sound that good. Sorry.

[p1p]

This is of course for research purposes for my new book 'Hi so... So Hi Tee Rak'

A simple story about a millionaire politicians daughter, who when sacked form Macdonalds decides to get revenge on society by going on the game.

Does it sound like a winner?

Bash

I'd say you'd be walking on the razor's edge mate.

Try sliding along it, using goolies for brakes...

[wolf5370]

If it underage kids - it illegal anyway.

If it is Uni girls/guys - what's the news? My Mrs knew lots of well-off Uni girls that were on the game during their Uni days - at the end they went on to good jobs and left the hooking behind. Some girls, like my wife, had had traditional values imprinted too far to be sucked in to this; some girls wanted to be modern/western and thought it was the normality in 'modern/western' society for a date to end with breakfast - add to that some money and its all the better - I really don't think they see it as prostitution. Don't know about Uni rent boys, but would think its something similar.

They did it for their own cash - didn't have to ask Daddy - and could be spent on what they wanted. They also did it for fun, mostly they did not street-walk, but went with business men and the like; they were entertained then bonked (western date?).

[Bluecat]

If it underage kids - it illegal anyway.

If it is Uni girls/guys - what's the news? My Mrs knew lots of well-off Uni girls that were on the game during their Uni days - at the end they went on to good jobs and left the hooking behind. Some girls, like my wife, had had traditional values imprinted too far to be sucked in to this; some girls wanted to be modern/western and thought it was the normality in 'modern/western' society for a date to end with breakfast - add to that some money and its all the better - I really don't think they see it as prostitution. Don't know about Uni rent boys, but would think its something similar.

Has anybody ever been to any university in Europe?

They're full of YOUNG people.

They're smart, maybe, but they're mainly YOUNG.

What are YOUNG people doing (girls and boys)?

They date but mainly in between YOUNG people.

In Thailand, if you are a "rich" student, you will date "rich" students.

If you are a "poor" student, you will try to date "rich" students.

But unfortunately, most of the time, social pressure will be such that it will not work.

So, you try to date "rich" people (farang or Thai) and age becomes a secondary factor,...

Who said life was fair?

[Jimbo]

Down here in Phuket we have the teachers college. Many of my staff studied there and they told me that many of the university girls there got money for sleeping with older richer thai guys or farangs (mostly expats). They didnt really need the money but wanted to buy an expensive pair of shoes or get a spa treatment

[NedKelly]

I wonder if, when some of the <deleted> above, have teenage children- will they then think differently about them being a victim. Grow up you bloody idiots !

[Edited to make it 'having teenage children'. Nobody here is discussing 12-13 year olds Ned! To go to Teacher College or University you have to be older than that.. Still your comment/opinion remains valid. /Chanchao]

[MadFrankie]

Easy now neddy, I think in thailand this compensated dating is mostly uni students.. Its in Japan where their 13, but the age on consent there is 13 anywayz

Go get a carrot lad

[mbkudu]

I wonder if, when some of the <deleted> above, have teenage children- will they then think differently about them being a victim. Grow up you bloody idiots !

[Edited to make it 'having teenage children'. Nobody here is discussing 12-13 year olds Ned! To go to Teacher College or University you have to be older than that.. Still your comment/opinion remains valid. /Chanchao]

Why does this guy get to use the word a$$#ole in his post full out and the rest of us get PMed by admin and a wrist slapping; just wondering?

[ka12345]

Has anybody ever been to any university in Europe?

They're full of YOUNG people.

They're smart, maybe, but they're mainly YOUNG.

What are YOUNG people doing (girls and boys)?

They date but mainly in between YOUNG people.

In Thailand, if you are a "rich" student, you will date "rich" students.

If you are a "poor" student, you will try to date "rich" students.

But unfortunately, most of the time, social pressure will be such that it will not work.

So, you try to date "rich" people (farang or Thai) and age becomes a secondary factor,...

Who said life was fair?

Loads of college kids in the US and Europe (especially in the US) does the same thing to get some extra cash. Nothing new.

[chanchao]

> Why does this guy get to use the word a$$#ole in his post full

> out and the rest of us get PMed by admin and a wrist slapping;

> just wondering?

I considered editing it but I left it because it wasn't directed at any particular individual poster. There's a difference between saying "bla bla bla, you a**h***!" and using it more as a general expletive. I also look at the discussion as a whole, it seems to me the previous posters won't be terribly offended because Ned strongly dismissed their posts. And I wanted to leave as much as possible of his post, already more than enough people reading this forum feel offended at how often prostitution is discussed in detail, but don't speak out. Censuring Ned too much could make it seem like Thaivisa is protecting those with an active interest in prostitution. And frankly I think those people can take it and won't burst into tears about it.

But I'll readily admit that the world is not a consistent or even particularly fair place. The next moderator in the next topic may decide differently. Mods are human tooooo..

[Any follow ups on board rules & moderation please to the Forum Support Desk area, or to me by private message]

Cheers,

Chanchao

[NedKelly]

Appreciate the thoughts and edits Chanchao.........i just get a bit peeeed off by the attitude of some people who come to Thailand and change their whole set of morals/values etc. I am sure they would not be lik ethis intheir own countries and are just venting here as its easy to do so anonymously.

Anyway, this is a bit off topic now so enough said.

[ASIC]

There were some storries a couple of years ago where ABAC (don't know why only ABAC) girls held "lotteries" whenever they needed a new handbag or something. Each guy paid 50 Baht to the girl and the winner could have sex with the girl.

ASIC