16 minutes ago, bomber said:

i would think the spanish farmers are more worried about climate change than a possible drop in sales to the UK,anyway mr spoonie is always on TV and the net claiming all his products UK based and he doesnt need the EU for anything,its been posted on here sometime in the last few months,so it seems he was telling us porkies,UK pork pies of coarse 

Nah, they're not. The climate's always changing. That what climate is.

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Do you have any evidence to back that up ?

If you are talking about climate change (they used to call it global warming until the warming stopped), the answer is not much that's credible.

Edited March 9, 20197 yr by Krataiboy

1 hour ago, bomber said:

remind us again,they need us more than we need them ???? if you think they are going to come back grovelling your in for a shock,its the UK that is panicking now and our govt that is wasting millions every week planning for an extension to A50 and most likely calling it off

they need us more than we need them ????

BREITBART.

EU Chief Jean-Claude Juncker Defies Protests to Deliver Heartfelt Defence of Karl Marx https://t.co/LXTrmbYpGX

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) May 5, 201

 

This idea that the people don’t know what’s good for them, that every last detail of their private lives, their business practices, their expenditure, their leisure time, even what they say and think must be micromanaged by “expert” bureaucrats and technocrats: it has been tested to destruction. The EU — like the Soviet Union, like Venezuela, like Cuba, like so many idealistic political experiments gone wrong — is on the losing side of history.

The ideology of the EU, from Kalergi to Soros is in progress,

anyone can see it, voting to remain is: 'turkeys voting for Xmas'.

1 hour ago, bomber said:

i would think the spanish farmers are more worried about climate change than a possible drop in sales to the UK,anyway mr spoonie is always on TV and the net claiming all his products UK based and he doesnt need the EU for anything,its been posted on here sometime in the last few months,so it seems he was telling us porkies,UK pork pies of coarse 

The rain in Spain still falls mainly on the plain but the greenhouses of Almeira are irrigated. Now the EU already has allowed tariff-free oranges from South Africa and the Spaniards hate that. Most Spanish, Irish and French agri-food exports will be hard hit by Brexit without a deal- just one big reason why an orderly exit with sensible arrangements is best for all. 

Edited March 9, 20197 yr by nauseus

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

just one big reason why an orderly exit with sensible arrangements is best for all. 

what happened to out means out,WTO and they need us more and the great promised trade deals,seems you now want a soft soft brexit

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Another majority vote for not leaving without a deal? No deal possibility is still on the table as it should be. You have moved from the past into an unknown future and created a new impasse.

Yes, I thought we are discussing the — very likely — impasse that MPs will reject May’s deal on Tuesday and a no-deal Brexit on Wednesday. If either of it doesn’t happen, there is no impasse, so we wouldn’t have to discuss it. 

 

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Regarding your so called soft or so called hard Brexit, or even a no deal Brexit. Perhaps you failed to watch this video, in which a British citizen explains, what was on the ballot paper. And how the overwhelming majority,were fully aware of what they voted for.

It’s called Democracy. Accept the people’s vote, or emigrate to North Korea, instead of trying to make the U.K as Undemocratic as N.K.

I don’t need watch more Brexiteer lies. Everyone know what was written on the ballot paper. It wasn’t “leave the EU and don’t have a transition period”. It was only to leave the EU. 

 

And talking about North Korea, I am not surprised you’re mentioning them.  Both of you are good at manipulating polls and calling that “democracy”. 

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The rain in Spain still falls mainly on the plain but the greenhouses of Almeira are irrigated. Now the EU already has allowed tariff-free oranges from South Africa and the Spaniards hate that. Most Spanish, Irish and French agri-food exports will be hard hit by Brexit without a deal- just one big reason why an orderly exit with sensible arrangements is best for all. 

shows how far brexiteers hopes have fallen when oranges are the topic of conversations,where are all the high tec companies with 1000s of jobs who where coming with brexit,boeing with 52 jobs is all i have seen

16 minutes ago, bomber said:

shows how far brexiteers hopes have fallen when oranges are the topic of conversations,where are all the high tec companies with 1000s of jobs who where coming with brexit,boeing with 52 jobs is all i have seen

Personally I am worried about Tulips from Amsterdam.

7 hours ago, sandyf said:

The UK PM is not elected to office, nominated. The UK EU commissioner is nominated by a nominated prime minister and ratified by the EU parliament which has been elected by the people of the respective states.

The representatives of the people of the EU put commissioners into office, a bit like the UK PM.

The PM became an MP by public vote and if you do not like who gets nominated as commissioner then remember who put them there.

Civil servants are not elected by public vote but are the backbone in any administration, just that most are not so high profile as the EU commission, not surprising considering it is responsible for a population of around three quarters of a billion people.  MPs are not instinctively knowledgeable on their respective responsibilities, that comes from the civil servants, in both UK and EU.

In a GE most people vote for the party most closely aligned to their beliefs, and the party who has the best leader in their opinion. Yes occasionally the leader can change during a parliamentary term, but this is rare and hardly dilutes the power of the vote. 

If the governing party / PM is not doing a good job for this country (and it's 65-70m citizens) we can vote them out in a GE. 

 

What real power does our vote have when it comes to the (unelected) EU President? And he is hardly just a civil servant. 

 

By the way, the EU population is around 500m, not 750m. But that's another point - the larger the population and the more layers of power, the less each vote makes a difference. 

Why leave won't win in future years...

 

Leave: "the problem is young people hate us for taking away their rights, freedom and prosperity.

 

 

solution: so let's trot out drunken old soaks to win them over to our ethno-nationalist agenda."

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1104021086507880448

55 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The rain in Spain still falls mainly on the plain but the greenhouses of Almeira are irrigated. Now the EU already has allowed tariff-free oranges from South Africa and the Spaniards hate that. Most Spanish, Irish and French agri-food exports will be hard hit by Brexit without a deal- just one big reason why an orderly exit with sensible arrangements is best for all. 

they will still export them as normal but the UK public will pay more for them after tariffs and a almost certain drop in sterling,the govt may decide not impose tariffs we dont know yet but the drop in sterling alone with a no deal will rise the cost,another cost to add to the price of brexit,its never ending

22 minutes ago, vogie said:

Personally I am worried about Tulips from Amsterdam.

very true,you wont be able to afford them once the tariffs and extra cost because of sterling dropping are added,not to worry plenty of dandelions in the UK to keep ya missus happy.

7 minutes ago, bomber said:

very true,you wont be able to afford them once the tariffs and extra cost because of sterling dropping are added,not to worry plenty of dandelions in the UK to keep ya missus happy.

Tulip growers need us more than we need them????????????

 

We're FINISHED without Britain!' Dutch firms issue EU no-deal warning - end of the TULIP?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1086165/brexit-news-no-deal-dutch-flower-industry

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Tulip growers need us more than we need them????????????

 

We're FINISHED without Britain!' Dutch firms issue EU no-deal warning - end of the TULIP?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1086165/brexit-news-no-deal-dutch-flower-industry

tusk and barnier wont be bothered about a few pansies or oranges,nissan,toyota,bmw and the city jobs are the big prize.

49 minutes ago, vogie said:

Personally I am worried about Tulips from Amsterdam.

There is a great deal of fine merchandise in Amsterdam 

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

There is a great deal of fine merchandise in Amsterdam 

I wanna tell you a story.

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Personally I am worried about Tulips from Amsterdam.

Don't worry about it, as long as windmills keep on turning and your heart keeps on yearning, everything will be bonza. 

Edited March 9, 20197 yr by aright

39 minutes ago, Grouse said:

There is a great deal of fine merchandise in Amsterdam 

Pervy old Grouse.

Everything you. Have or buy comes on a truck......stopping trucks, even for minutes, costs money.....I don't think Brexiteers fully appreciate the dire consequences that any form of Brexit will have on the transport industry and subsequently prices....

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47377037#

2 hours ago, bomber said:

what happened to out means out,WTO and they need us more and the great promised trade deals,seems you now want a soft soft brexit

Just a Brexit with a mutually acceptable agreement of a similarly sesnible sensible consistency.

 

Sorry, just fishing reading Sense And Sesnibility. ????

Edited March 9, 20197 yr by nauseus
sesnible

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Tulip growers need us more than we need them????????????

 

We're FINISHED without Britain!' Dutch firms issue EU no-deal warning - end of the TULIP?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1086165/brexit-news-no-deal-dutch-flower-industry

CLEARLY HAVE no idea of the size and value of the cut flower industry in UK and how it relies on fast, immediate deliveries of fresh produce.

Furthermore many of the same problems will apply to other forms of edible fresh produce.

 

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Just a Brexit with a mutually acceptable agreement of a similarly sesnible consistency.

mays deal it is then,in but out.Worse than still being 100% in

2 hours ago, bomber said:

shows how far brexiteers hopes have fallen when oranges are the topic of conversations,where are all the high tec companies with 1000s of jobs who where coming with brexit,boeing with 52 jobs is all i have seen

Just an example of how a no deal Brexit will probably badly affect a lot of EU farmers. The continental fishermen will be in trouble, especially the Spanish. There are a lot of downsides for the EU but I'm sure that they are not widely openly discussed on the continent, at least for now.      

9 hours ago, sandyf said:

The UK PM is not elected to office, nominated. The UK EU commissioner is nominated by a nominated prime minister and ratified by the EU parliament which has been elected by the people of the respective states.

The representatives of the people of the EU put commissioners into office, a bit like the UK PM.

The PM became an MP by public vote and if you do not like who gets nominated as commissioner then remember who put them there.

Civil servants are not elected by public vote but are the backbone in any administration, just that most are not so high profile as the EU commission, not surprising considering it is responsible for a population of around three quarters of a billion people.  MPs are not instinctively knowledgeable on their respective responsibilities, that comes from the civil servants, in both UK and EU.

The members of the EU Commission are proposed by members of the EU Council,...….so no election there and they're accepted as a body by a vote of MEP's, however the people who represent me, the MEP's, don't get to propose members for the Commission they are stuck with the choices made by the Council; the EU boys club. That's not acceptable to me. The European Parliament’s role and responsibilities are very limited. It cannot propose new European legislation - only the European Commission can do that. That's not acceptable to me but obviously something you enjoy.  I accept these arguments were done to death here last year and I am not going to cover old ground however other aspects of EU democracy were not covered.

One aspect of EU democracy and other states whose plan is to create a single party state devoted to goals that can be neither opposed nor amended, which hasn't been covered, is the old political trick( which always fools the Keep the Sheep Asleep Party) of  " if you can't control the electorate in an election, control the candidates". There was only one candidate for Selmayr's post...…….funny that.

Another aspect is democratically elected governments are able to change policy. Westminster with all it's anachronisms passes the test. Over the years the UK has been governed by both left and right wing governments and successive governments have been found to be reforming. The EU with all its Presidents, MEP's and Parliament fails the test as evidenced by the current political  and social unrest ignored by Brussels because reform denies "The Project". Can you ever, in your wildest dreams, imagine the EU Parliament promoting decentralization or forcing meaningful democratic reform or reforming the euro, the most dysfunctional currency in the first world?

I will leave it to Nigel Farage to explain democracy to you. Marine le Pen makes some decent points as well.

 

 

       

1 hour ago, bomber said:

they will still export them as normal but the UK public will pay more for them after tariffs and a almost certain drop in sterling,the govt may decide not impose tariffs we dont know yet but the drop in sterling alone with a no deal will rise the cost,another cost to add to the price of brexit,its never ending

We can get them from S.A. too. That's the point. Oranges may not need to be imported from Spain as African ones can be cheaper. Same as Aus/NZ meat instead of Irish beef. It's never-ending. ????  

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

There is a great deal of fine merchandise in Amsterdam 

Canal St?

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

There is a great deal of fine merchandise in Amsterdam 

I understand there is if you like a smoke.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

We can get them from S.A. too. That's the point. Oranges may not need to be imported from Spain as African ones can be cheaper. Same as Aus/NZ meat instead of Irish beef. It's never-ending. ????  

great lets crash out on monday then,the oranges are on nauseus,who needs nissan and toyota our oranges are safe,the stockmarket will rocket and the pound will soar

31 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

Everything you. Have or buy comes on a truck......stopping trucks, even for minutes, costs money.....I don't think Brexiteers fully appreciate the dire consequences that any form of Brexit will have on the transport industry and subsequently prices....

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47377037#

Need less damn trucks anyway. Ridiculous in this age of concerns about carbon footprints and crappy road surfaces. And the EU want to send 60 tonners through the bloody Cotswolds! Cretins.