Extreme Brexit could be worse than financial crisis for UK: BoE

[7by7]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

The most recent example FYI:

 

But there are still a lot of Brexiteers who have called for the former but not the latter.

 

None of which changes the fact that the UK is a representative democracy, not a delagation one.

 

Sorry, the role of an MP is to be a representative, not a delegate

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Now, I’ve always thought that Edmund Burke sounded rather arrogant when he told the voters of Bristol that an MP “owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion”.  The voters of Bristol thought so, too.  They dispensed with his services at the election. But Burke’s point is even more important in an era of social media, when every email, every tweet and every posting comes replete with the demand that an MP should do precisely as his or her constituents wish (which is always precisely as the correspondent wishes).

 

Of course, just as Bristolians dispensed with Burke, Leave constituencies had the chance to remove Remain MPs and replace them with Leave ones, and vice versa, in 2017 but, despite the highest turnout since 1997, very few, if any, did.

 

Election results 2017: 20 things you may have missed

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Labour has done well in seats that voted to Remain in the EU. The Tories have seen an uptick in seats that voted strongly to Leave, but far less than Labour's gain.

The swing to Labour in seats where Remain won over 55% in 2016 is averaging seven points, whereas there is a 1% swing to the Conservatives in seats where over 60% voted for Leave

 

 

 

[7by7]

7 hours ago, sanemax said:

The U.K. doesnt have a constitution 

We do; it's just not written down on a single piece of paper.

 

Britain's unwritten constitution

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Unlike most modern states, Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgments and conventions. Professor Robert Blackburn explains this system, including Magna Carta’s place within it, and asks whether the UK should now have a written constitution.

 

[wilcopops]

7 hours ago, Thairealist said:

So your not a big believer in Democracy. 

 

 

 

I think Brexiteers could do with a bit of perspective on the ADVISORY referendum.....

 

[wilcopops]

7 hours ago, sanemax said:

The U.K. doesnt have a constitution 

Yet another profoundly ill-informed comment from a Brexiteer.

This has been a hallmark of Brexitism from the start. Its like flat-earthers.....because they haven't worked it out it isn't there. For heaven's sake, get up to speed and you won't make such ill-informed nonsense

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

so much for a sovereign parliament,

trapped in its own crap originating from Stonehenge

 

and the weirdos on the foggy islands are proud of their traditions

 

 

It's to protect the sovereignty of parliament. We don't want filibusters either which are much the same.

[Krataiboy]

2 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

Yet another profoundly ill-informed comment from a Brexiteer.

This has been a hallmark of Brexitism from the start. Its like flat-earthers.....because they haven't worked it out it isn't there. For heaven's sake, get up to speed and you won't make such ill-informed nonsense

And, of course, Remainers never get anything wrong. For proof, just look how well the PM is performing. . . 

[7by7]

Just now, Krataiboy said:

And, of course, Remainers never get anything wrong. For proof, just look how well the PM is performing. . . 

We do get things wrong and, unlike most Brexiteers, admit it when we do: as I have done above.

 

May is doing her best to avoid the disaster of a no deal Brexit. I have respect for the ERG and others who oppose her because they disagree with her and her deal.

 

I have no respect for Corbyn and his MPs who oppose her merely because she is a Tory. If they had voted with their concsiences rather than following the narrow "It's a Tory deal so I'll vote against it" mantra this whole sorry mess would never have happened and the deal would be done and we'd be leaving as scheduled.

 

But a mess it now is; i n 2016 nobody voted for this. Which is why the British people must be given the chance to make the final decision in a STV referendum;

1. leave with May's deal,
2. leave with no deal or
3. cancel Brexit and remain.

 

 

[nauseus]

Back to topic, not all doom and gloom according to Mark Mobius:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/18/mark-mobius-says-brexit-could-be-terrific-for-emerging-markets.html  

Edited March 19, 2019 by nauseus

[beautifulthailand99]

ordure , ordure. 

 

Wasn't there an 11th commandment in the Old Testament (my version anyway). 

 

Thou shalt not Brexit.

[damascase]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Back to topic, not all doom and gloom according to Mark Mobius:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/18/mark-mobius-says-brexit-could-be-terrific-for-emerging-markets.html  

Mark who? 

[beautifulthailand99]

Time to revive Moggie's old plan....in the old days when he was talking sense.....

 

 

 

[nauseus]

20 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

ordure , ordure. 

 

Wasn't there an 11th commandment in the Old Testament (my version anyway). 

 

Thou shalt not Brexit.

ODOUR ODOUR

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

so much for a sovereign parliament,

trapped in its own crap originating from Stonehenge

 

and the weirdos on the foggy islands are proud of their traditions

 

 

Yes, proud. This crap is what the greatest democracies are based on. Not perfect but far better than the alternatives.

[nauseus]

23 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Time to revive Moggie's old plan....in the old days when he was talking sense.....

 

 

 

Er, yes. This was assuming that all negotiations would be concluded and agreed before the final commitment. Not this game of blind man's bluff that we have now. Innit? 

Edited March 19, 2019 by nauseus
wording

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, damascase said:

Mark who? 

Google pole position. Should be easy, even for you. 

[damascase]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Google pole position. Should be easy, even for you. 

Thank you for your excellent advice, I wouldn’t have known what to do without your wise words. Any particular reason to put it the way you did or is this a nasty part of your usual approach of people you don’t know? 

It must be the simple me who is wondering why being in the moneymaking business qualifies one automatically as having a credible/valuable opinion on a subject like Brexit.

Edited March 19, 2019 by damascase
Typo

[beautifulthailand99]

Only 10 days to Brexit !

 

Here are the runners and riders in the great Brexit Steeplechase. Please no online betting in Thailand it is against the law. 

 

Theresa May still to be PM on April 1st 2019								1/25
John Bercow still to be Commons Speaker on April 1st 2019								1/25
NO UK EU Referendum before end 2019			2/7							2/7
The UK to apply to rejoin the EU by 2027								5/6
Another EU Referendum to be held before April 1st 2019								11/5
Another UK EU Referendum before end 2019			5/2							5/2
UK To Leave EU With No Brexit Deal Before 1st April 2019			7/2							7/2
2019 Referendum And UK Votes To Remain			4							4
Two or more different PMs to be involved in the UKs Brexit negotiations before April 1st 2019								9/2

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

It's to protect the sovereignty of parliament. We don't want filibusters either which are much the same.

whatever

surely the MPs are comfortable knowing that their sovereignty is protected to the extent that they

cannot act on the most important thing happening in UK this side of long ago

 

[melvinmelvin]

48 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes, proud. This crap is what the greatest democracies are based on. Not perfect but far better than the alternatives.

several countries have sovereign parliaments

it is being made very clear over and over that the UK parliament is not sovereign

 

 

[bomber]

27 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

several countries have sovereign parliaments

it is being made very clear over and over that the UK parliament is not sovereign

 

 

it is sovereign,but the bulldogs are to thick to see it,Germany is their paranoia,they havent realised yet zat zee war is over.

[nauseus]

58 minutes ago, damascase said:

Thank you for your excellent advice, I wouldn’t have known what to do without your wise words. Any particular reason to put it the way you did or is this a nasty part of your usual approach of people you don’t know? 

It must be the simple me who is wondering why being in the moneymaking business qualifies one automatically as having a credible/valuable opinion on a subject like Brexit.

The nature of my reply matched the way your question was put. Looking at his CV, then I think his opinion is at least as valuable as anyone's. 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, bomber said:

it is sovereign,but the bulldogs are to thick to see it,Germany is their paranoia,they havent realised yet zat zee war is over.

According to the Treaty of Rome, UK parliamentary sovereignty has been limited since in 1973 and this limitation has increased with successive EU treaties ever since. At the moment, the UK Parliament can still recover full sovereignty, if it revokes the Treaty of Rome. At the moment.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, damascase said:

Mark who? 

The stripper 

[bomber]

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

According to the Treaty of Rome, UK parliamentary sovereignty has been limited since in 1973 and this limitation has increased with successive EU treaties ever since. At the moment, the UK Parliament can still recover full sovereignty, if it revokes the Treaty of Rome. At the moment.

To the man in the street and in spoonies its as good as sovereign,hence you wont get your brexit...and wont even be able to blame the EU or Germany. BRILLIANT 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, bomber said:

To the man in the street and in spoonies its as good as sovereign,hence you wont get your brexit...and wont even be able to blame the EU or Germany. BRILLIANT 

Losing it, slowly but surely.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

whatever

surely the MPs are comfortable knowing that their sovereignty is protected to the extent that they

cannot act on the most important thing happening in UK this side of long ago

 

Explain your point

[billd766]

What I find a little odd is the the Remainers are asking for a second referendum due to the narrow gap 52 to 48 at the first referendum

 

Teresa May wants a third vote on her Brexit proposal despite the overwhelming no vote against it the first 2 times. 230 votes against in January, 149 against in the second vote.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47547887

 

What can she not understand about NO thank you?

 

TM as a Remainer has brought it all on herself and on the country and I for one hav not the slightest shred of sympathy for her.

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

We do get things wrong and, unlike most Brexiteers, admit it when we do: as I have done above.

 

May is doing her best to avoid the disaster of a no deal Brexit. I have respect for the ERG and others who oppose her because they disagree with her and her deal.

 

I have no respect for Corbyn and his MPs who oppose her merely because she is a Tory. If they had voted with their concsiences rather than following the narrow "It's a Tory deal so I'll vote against it" mantra this whole sorry mess would never have happened and the deal would be done and we'd be leaving as scheduled.

 

But a mess it now is; i n 2016 nobody voted for this. Which is why the British people must be given the chance to make the final decision in a STV referendum;

1. leave with May's deal,
2. leave with no deal or
3. cancel Brexit and remain.

 

 

And no doubt if this were to happen, and the Brexiteers were to win again, the minority Remainers would argue the result was only advisory and therefore could be totally ignored by the Remainer Prime Minister and Remainer majority in Parliament.

 

Or suppose Remain were to win by a small margin? Who could argue if disgruntled Leavers insisted on a further referendum to make it "best of three"?

 

The most recent UK poll of Brexit sentiment showed a majority in favour of doing what a majority of us voted to do nearly three years ago.

 

It also happens to be what the Prime Minister promised numerous times she would do, what both major Parties pledged to do in the run-up to the 2017 general election, and what Parliament actually voted to do when it invoked Article 50. . .

 

Leave the European Union, deal or no deal, on the 29th of this month.

 

Anything less will be a shameful betrayal both of the British people and our much-vaunted democracy.

[tebee]

 

[bomber]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Losing it, slowly but surely.

More like your losing your brexit..dream is about over...dont forget to buy your lottery tickets.

Edited March 19, 2019 by bomber