10 hours ago, sanemax said:

once you have voted, thats it .

It's a pity, there is no way to go back. 

 

I often change my mind on many subjects, based on new, all at once revealed, facts. 

 

Being 70+, I voted a lot in my home country. 

 

I sometimes deeply regretted my choice in voting, as it appeared, short after, I was misleaded. 

On 3/16/2019 at 5:59 AM, wilcopops said:

Just installed a new Brexiteer grammar-check....

Good idea, as it appears the Remainer version is out of print.

 

 

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by Krataiboy

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Then we should change the constitution.

 

Right now we have s representative democracy the acts as a moron filter. It has worked well for centuries.

 

You want to directly instruct MPs? Why have them at all? We have the technology to enable this. Vote directly on everything! "Computer says no"

 

I blame poor education

 

I do hope that any MP that is threatened in this way resigns from the local party AND crosses the floor ????

- We probably will.

 

- Agreed (but see next)

 

- On this one specific issue they were directly instructed!

 

- I had a feeling you might (????). To be serious your 'worked well for centuries' is due in part to those of us in the cheap seats having little or no education or the ability to vote until around a century ago.

 

- If they resign or are de-selected & have any honour left they should stand in a by election but clearly they haven't and won't.

 

Glad to see you're on form this morning Grouse 

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by evadgib

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

No; an opinion dressed as an opinion. Dressing opinions as fact is your game, not mine.

You need not distract the board any further by trawling for evidence to back that up 49 but please accept my thanks for keeping the board entertained last night while ???????????????????????????? were cocking up the ???? 

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by evadgib

7 hours ago, wilcopops said:

Farage seems to have misjudged this insult to the Jarrow marchers......

 

To be expected, given the 6 Nations, FA Cup & other distractions on offer in addition to any travel/security measures as a result of the atrocity in NZ. 

By 29 March the numbers will likely exceed Diana's funeral if Parliament don't buck their ideas up.

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by evadgib

On 3/15/2019 at 11:04 PM, 7by7 said:

Couldn't be clearer?

 

You made no mention of anything contained in the deal at all; let alone a critique and suggestions of what you would prefer!

 

How is that a clear answer to the question?

 

Your feeble attempt at dodging the question is a very clear indication that, like Sanemax, you can't be bothered to find out what the deal actually contains! 

 

It would make for a more productive debate if you were to refrain from flogging the dead horse of alleged Brexiteer ignorance and give us your take on the Withdrawal Agreement.

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by Krataiboy

A UK Republic with Proportional representation, MPs on

the average working mans wage, no honours and privileges,

and no millionaires. All business's converted to cooperatives..

and that, most importantly, includes the banks. Parliamentry

business to conducted in evenings on large factory floors,

no kipping on the comfy green leather bench.

Give the Queen a flat in Bradford and turn Buck Palace into

a bicycle factory.

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

Right now we have s representative democracy the acts as a moron filter. It has worked well for centuries.

 

You want to directly instruct MPs? Why have them at all? We have the technology to enable this. Vote directly on everything! "Computer says no"

 

I blame poor education.

 

I do hope that any MP that is threatened in this way resigns from the local party AND crosses the floor ????

I blame poor education.

 

And exactly whom do you and others who share your arrogant, elitist view blame for the "morons"' poor education? 

 

 

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by Krataiboy

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Maybe, but he is a "winker" of conviction. He is an example of how MPs should act. Note he is still taking the CON whip. I think it's great how he has handled the local CONs! Publically poured their G&Ts over their perms.????

 

Threatening to deselect a sitting MP for their opinions. Shameful. They selected the man, threatening deselection 3 years before the next election is nothing more than bullying.

Still a winker. He has distanced himself too far from his own party manifesto. Brexit was top of the agenda for the last GE. His voters should have the power to remove him.

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

He is not resigning as an MP. He is not resigning the CON whip. He has resigned from the local CON association. Good.

 

We WANT MPs of conviction. MPs who will vote according to what they genuinely believe to be best for all their constituents and their country.

 

The man is an exemplar for the role of MP in a parliamentary representative democracy.

 

It is shameful that so many of you don't see this?

How can an MP of such conviction resign from the local Conservative association but not take it further? He has just distanced himself even more from those who put him in place, while not resigning his seat or the party as a whole. He's a classic example today's parliamentary winker. 

The week was shortened 'cause Ron is not doing the Sunday night shift. So this is for w/e Sunday 17th March 2019 at 3am (end of shift). Liverpool central poll.

 

The poll-master adjusted the wording this time.

 

66% Leave on WTO terms (no pay-out to EU)
11% Accept May's deal/any other deal other than WTO
04% Stay in
03% Second vote
10% Don't know/care. Undecided.
06% Spoilt vote paper. Too drunk to understand the poll or put a cross in a box. Vomit/blood/other on the ballot paper (rendering it unreadable).

 

There was also a pilot poll.

 

Who would you vote for in the Euro elections, if there is an extension to A50?

 

12% Labour
08% Conservative
06% Liberal
46% Pro-Brexit party (UKIP, Brexit, Brexit alliance, etc)
04% Another party/group (greens, new age warriors, etc)
10% Will vote but undecided.
14% Would not vote.

 

This pilot poll might well be official if A50 gets extended.

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by owl sees all

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The week was shortened this time 'cause Ron is not doing the Sunday night shift. So this is for w/e Sunday 17th March 2019 at 3am (end of shift). Liverpool central poll.

 

The poll-master adjusted the wording this time.

 

66% Leave on WTO terms (no pay-out to EU)
11% Accept May's deal/any other deal other than WTO
04% Stay in
03% Second vote
10% Don't know/care. Undecided.
06% Spoilt vote paper. Too drunk to understand the poll or put a cross in a box. Vomit/blood/other on the ballot paper (rendering it unreadable).

 

There was also a pilot poll.

 

Who would you vote for in the Euro elections, if there is an extension to A50?

 

12% Labour
08% Conservative
06% Liberal
46% Pro-Brexit party (UKIP, Brexit, Brexit alliance, etc)
04% Another party/group (greens, new age warriors, etc)
10% Will vote but undecided.
14% Wo'tuld not vote.

 

This pilot poll might well be official if A50 gets extended.

MPs know this which is why they too, aren't keen on another referendum 'at the moment'.....

 

I think we all agree that the vast majority of MPs support remain, so ask yourselves why they aren't keen.  The answer is pretty obvious IMO!

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

He's still a winker.

Absolutely correct.

 

He seems to have forgotten who elected him and why he was elected.

 

I have felt for a long while that both the Labour and Tory parties only need the constituents simply to get elected. Once they are in they may talk to the hoi polloi every so often but otherwise they are all of the "I am your mp and i know more than you" party.

 

At the next election the Parties may descend on the constituencies and tell them WE have decided who will represent you at the next election. They may well be in for a big surprise and be told "This person is our choice and we want him/her to represent us", and if you don't like it you know what you can do.

Roger Daltry "won't be fooled again" ????

 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, billd766 said:

I have felt for a long while that both the Labour and Tory parties only need the constituents simply to get elected. Once they are in they may talk to the hoi polloi every so often but otherwise they are all of the "I am your mp and i know more than you" party.

The vast majority of MPs voted, in HofC vote on A50 to 'leave'.

 

IMO, any person representing any party should undergo an automatic re-selection process prior to an election. Some of these MPs just take it for granted that they will be there whatever. 

26 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Roger Daltry "won't be fooled again" ????

 

 

A pity you add can't likes, thanks and hahas all together. Daltry is spot on: "as if we didn't tour in Europe before the ******* EU". We should indeed not get fooled again. 

 

Like being governed by FIFA! ???? ???? ????

Edited March 17, 20197 yr by nauseus
FIFA

8 hours ago, wilcopops said:

Farage seems to have misjudged this insult to the Jarrow marchers......

 

Add this to my earlier reply:

 

14 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Add this to my earlier reply:

 

Miserable weather. At least the forecast is better.

Excellent piece on the state of our parliament from the FT

 

The FT is not a comic for the lumpen. nevertheless it should be read and inwardly digested by all who have a real interest in politics

Who governs Britain? | Financial Times.pdf

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Miserable weather. At least the forecast is better.

the forecast is bitter

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

I blame poor education.

 

And exactly whom do you and others who share your arrogant, elitist view blame for the "morons"' poor education? 

 

 

Themselves

Brexit is like a bouncing ball now, it can goes every way. 

 

There is no consensus at all about it, among politicians, parliamentarians, citizens. 

 

It is on the base of the end of an "United" Kingdom. 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Still a winker. He has distanced himself too far from his own party manifesto. Brexit was top of the agenda for the last GE. His voters should have the power to remove him.

The TYPE of Brexit is the issue.

 

There has been no discussion on the TYPE of Brexit; no debate on any of the options.

 

Who's idea was fixed term parliaments?

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

How can an MP of such conviction resign from the local Conservative association but not take it further? He has just distanced himself even more from those who put him in place, while not resigning his seat or the party as a whole. He's a classic example today's parliamentary winker. 

He's treating bullies with the contempt they deserve. Good.

 

Any others who are threatened should act in the same way.

 

Who exactly are Conservative Associations? Golfers? Free Masons? Are they the arbiters of democracy now? Our constitution has been standing for a very long time; I don't want it changed by a bunch of anally retentive gammons thank you.

 

 

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

The week was shortened 'cause Ron is not doing the Sunday night shift. So this is for w/e Sunday 17th March 2019 at 3am (end of shift). Liverpool central poll.

 

The poll-master adjusted the wording this time.

 

66% Leave on WTO terms (no pay-out to EU)
11% Accept May's deal/any other deal other than WTO
04% Stay in
03% Second vote
10% Don't know/care. Undecided.
06% Spoilt vote paper. Too drunk to understand the poll or put a cross in a box. Vomit/blood/other on the ballot paper (rendering it unreadable).

 

There was also a pilot poll.

 

Who would you vote for in the Euro elections, if there is an extension to A50?

 

12% Labour
08% Conservative
06% Liberal
46% Pro-Brexit party (UKIP, Brexit, Brexit alliance, etc)
04% Another party/group (greens, new age warriors, etc)
10% Will vote but undecided.
14% Would not vote.

 

This pilot poll might well be official if A50 gets extended.

So that's the view from people who do the night shift in Liverpool! We should all take their advice. ????

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Absolutely correct.

 

He seems to have forgotten who elected him and why he was elected.

 

I have felt for a long while that both the Labour and Tory parties only need the constituents simply to get elected. Once they are in they may talk to the hoi polloi every so often but otherwise they are all of the "I am your mp and i know more than you" party.

 

At the next election the Parties may descend on the constituencies and tell them WE have decided who will represent you at the next election. They may well be in for a big surprise and be told "This person is our choice and we want him/her to represent us", and if you don't like it you know what you can do.

It is astonishing to me that a person of your years and experience does not know how our representative democracy works, or at least is supposed to work. You, having the privilege of a vote, have the ability to select someone who you trust to take decisions in the best interests of ALL of all their constituents AND the country as a whole. I am getting very bored of explaining this to people who will not listen. Do you just take orders? Or can you think this through rationally? I believe that you are a former military man? What were you defending? The crown? The people? British democracy? What? If you want a different constitution then vote to change it!

26 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Themselves

Go to the bottom of the class that glib but wrong answer. Try again. And if you get it wrong this time, I will begin to suspect you had a state education.

 

 

On 3/16/2019 at 10:07 AM, vogie said:

My pretentious poster detector has never let me down yet.

Brexiteer selfie camera.

21 minutes ago, Grouse said:

The TYPE of Brexit is the issue.

 

There has been no discussion on the TYPE of Brexit; no debate on any of the options.

 

Who's idea was fixed term parliaments?

Agree that Brexit and the deal should have been debated more across parliament as soon as the result was known. The deal? Well who really knows who did what when that was put together - no information, detailed progress reports or transparency (plenty of press conferences which gave away nothing). This "deal" is awful.

 

But the problem with people like Boles is that he must have had a fair idea of what his voters interpreted as Brexit when he stood in 2017 and also what his voters expected of him. His local party association will have spent time, money and effort to help him get elected. He knew his own party manifesto and, after voting to trigger Article 50, I would hope and expect that he knew that it includes the possibility of leaving with no deal after 2 years. It's no good protesting against no deal after voting for the trigger. That's why I regard Boles and the rest as deselectable.

 

 

40 minutes ago, Grouse said:

It is astonishing to me that a person of your years and experience does not know how our representative democracy works, or at least is supposed to work. You, having the privilege of a vote, have the ability to select someone who you trust to take decisions in the best interests of ALL of all their constituents AND the country as a whole. I am getting very bored of explaining this to people who will not listen. Do you just take orders? Or can you think this through rationally? I believe that you are a former military man? What were you defending? The crown? The people? British democracy? What? If you want a different constitution then vote to change it!

The most relevant word you have used there is trust.