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How Prayut missed a golden opportunity [Opinion]


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2 hours ago, webfact said:

This is why we get the occasional outcries and brief anger. The idea that any type of corruption is unacceptable is simply missing from our cultural DNA.

quite true, however corruption happens when people , corrupters, can do so, these are mostly people in authority or in wealth; brief anger and outcries from academics, activists and editorialists is just that, brief; change, if it ever happens, will be very very slow

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20 minutes ago, robblok said:

It will go on forever unless honest people are available and get elected and really change laws. 

Don’t agree with you much but this one I fully agree. Thailand need continuing democracy and election for honest leaders to be available and for the citizens to judge. 

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6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Don’t agree with you much but this one I fully agree. Thailand need continuing democracy and election for honest leaders to be available and for the citizens to judge. 

I partly agree with you here. Thailand is not a democracy never has been always has been a kleptocracy to evolve to a democracy it needs the steps as described, voting in honest leaders  who then change laws. 

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42 minutes ago, robblok said:

Thailand was never a democracy, always a kleptocracy. I was just foolish to believe things could change here. Its nothing more as changing one group of crooks for another. 

 

It will go on forever unless honest people are available and get elected and really change laws. 

Robblok, I would genuinely like to know what your recipe for getting honest people into politics. I think we agree that both coups have not succeeded in their ostensible aims. I very much doubt the honesty of those who are lining up for the senate trough. 

 

Politics will always attract  a mix of honest and dishonest people. It is a field in which one can enrich oneself and/or do something good for the country.  How can the preponderance be shifted in favour of the honest.

 

It need not go on forever if democratic values gained permanent traction, a process which is never enhanced by a coup.

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9 minutes ago, tomta said:

Robblok, I would genuinely like to know what your recipe for getting honest people into politics. I think we agree that both coups have not succeeded in their ostensible aims. I very much doubt the honesty of those who are lining up for the senate trough. 

 

Politics will always attract  a mix of honest and dishonest people. It is a field in which one can enrich oneself and/or do something good for the country.  How can the preponderance be shifted in favour of the honest.

 

It need not go on forever if democratic values gained permanent traction, a process which is never enhanced by a coup.

I have no recipe for it, its up to the people to vote for them not me, as long as they vote for crooks its stays a kleptocracy with the risk of coups. The risk of coups is there because they want a share of the pie too as they see others steal and know the laws and judiciary wont stop the crooks and wont stop them either. If the checks and balances and the law were functioning then it would not be profitable to stage coups or stage violence to get in power.

 

Yes politics will never be clean but the levels of corruption here in Thailand are far to high to call it a democracy. I accept that politics will never be clean but they can be a lot cleaner as now.

 

As for democratic values, I ask you what democratic values, you mean the right to steal once in power ?. Democratic values will come once we get those honest people, problem is getting them as the public does not seem to care too much. Nor do they have real good options as long as super crooks like Charlem, Suthep still are around the people get what they vote for.

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3 hours ago, colinneil said:

Just had my first laugh of the new year reading that.:cheesy:

Too bad I missed the good laugh because I stopped reading after this:

"...politicians must be made to realise that corruption is unconditionally unacceptable, no matter who is involved."

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IMHO the entire coup was wasted, the army should have declared a full out war on the maibpenrai attitude on day one and kick it out of existence. Go full Lee Kuan Yew on their <deleted>. The only way Thais will ever wake up is a mighty rattle.

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3 hours ago, boonrawdcnx said:

Nice piece but useless - in Thailand any government - whatever they promise - coming from elections or coups- will always just be one corrupt bunch of crooks replacing another.

Laws written and passed by criminals in power to protect themselves would need to be disposed of first - as long as some people are above the law and without an independent executive and judiciary that can act without favor or fear nothing will ever change.

The “leaders” past and present of this country have neither honor, the will nor idealism, integrity or the balls to challenge the status quo. Corrupt to the core spineless, lying, cheating cowards is what describes them best - and you are stuck with them until one day the people stand up to them and say “no more”!
But what can you expect from people who think corruption is ok if it provides them with an advantage and are equally corrupt when given the chance to get their hand into the cookie jar?

So Thailand I think you are stuck with dishonest, corrupt, thieving scoundrels - and the sad thing is there seems to be no light at the end of this tunnel!

Prayut missed a golden opportunity ??
The Nation are you rally so naive to have ever believed that the coup was staged for any other reason than the re-distribution of the cake?


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Brilliant post, above. Not much more I can add to it. It overflows with truth.

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6 hours ago, webfact said:

There was only one way for Prayut to justify his coup. That was to install a system in which no corruption was tolerated

Even if he wanted to, which he doesn't, he simply doesn't have the gonads to stand up to the real masters of corruption being his fellow politicians, big business and senior civil servants. For all his bravado and faux toughness about corruption the best he can come up with is a Pinocchio promise that he will have it fixed in 20 years. 

 

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