Corruption in Thailand likened to a disease: And it needs to be cured!

[Shadychris]

26 minutes ago, Grusa said:

Nobody.

 

The unacceptable truth is, all the wingeing expats on this forum who wring their hands, complain about the frog, the BiB, the dirt, the pollution, etc., etc., but continue, or wish to continue to live here, actually use and benefit from the system - some in big ways, some in small. Hypocrites all. All will suffer in some way if the place ever becomes ethical - for want of a better word.

 

Exactly - maybe a 100 people have posted on this thread - all of whom would no doubt be far happier to slip a Thai cop 500THB to make a minor traffic offence 'go away', than they would be to face a much larger, fine in their country of origin, possible court appearance and penalty points on their licence - with consequent ludicrous insurance premiums.

I have no problem with this sort of corruption at all - it tends to benefit only me and a Thai who probably earns far less than me anyway.

The corruption I despise is that also found in the West which exists at a much higher level - insider shares dealing, arms for oil agreements, big business contracts won on the golf course, property and planning deals etc etc. All of which benefit the already wealthy fat cat businessmen and politicians only - and are ultimately paid for by us the taxpayers.

[hawksway]

The problem is that in their hearts and souls, many Thais do not believe that corruption is either a crime or a bad thing. They see it in the sense of a very well established patronage system going up and down the tree to keep the wheels of life going. If one has a problem, say with the rules or red tape of Government they turn to an Official,solicit a favour and the problem often just goes away. Generally speaking the Thais would not want it any other way. Why would they want to appear before judiciary in Court to pay a fine for crossing red lights when they can just make a penalty payment to a local Policeman and be rid of the problem. Everyone's in the swim and most are happy and it helps them, fortunately, to accept that the rule of law in Thailand is only optional.

[dinsdale]

April 1st again. Borrrrrrrriiiiiiing. Wonder how many of these fools bought their positions. If corruption is a disease then it's terminal for this corrupt from top to bottom country.????

[Lingba]

there's corruption in every country..In Thailand it simply in your face

[robblok]

8 hours ago, pornprong said:

Why do you think there was a coup in 2006 and another in 2014?

(let us not forget just how vocally pro-coup you were/are)

 

Do you think the Junta has anything to benefit by falsifying and/or exaggerating claims of "Shin" corruption?

 

(Look at the nonsense in the link below - and it is the best the Junta has on him)

http://slimdogsworld.blogspot.com

 

 

Why do you think coups always move Thailand away from democracy putting more and more power into the hands of unelected appointed elite apparatchiks?

 

(1997 constitution all Senators elected, 2007 constitution 1/2 Senators elected and 1/2 appointed and 2017 constitution 0 Senators elected and all Senators appointed)

 

 

Which Thai administrations are subject to more external oversight - elected ones or unelected coup Junta's?

 

(Compare Yingluck's treatment by the NACC and the courts to the way both these "independent" institutions handled Prawit and his watches or the Rajabhakti park scandal or the Iconsiam "corruption tower")

 

 

If one were to summarise your position having read several years of your posts, it would be this:

 

All the misery, missed opportunities, oppression and suffering that the Thai people endure under unelected Junta's is worth it because at least the "Shins" (the people's choice) aren't in government.

 

How silly!

 

If I have a hero, it is not any individual, but the process of democracy and the effect it has on opening societies.

 

Why are you opposed to democracy and how is your alternative better?

Your lying as much as you can to protect your criminal corrupt hero. You can't even admit the guy is a corrupt criminal.

 

I have nothing against democracy, but Thailand has Kleptocracy not democracy. Learn the difference.

 

My position on the junta is that they are as bad as the Shins. I changed my position a long time ago and you keep rehashing it because you can't attack that position because you know your hero Thaksin was as corrupt as the rest. I have no love for the junta even though you seem to think so. Your the one who should open his eyes and see NO government democratic or junta has done anything to seriously combat corruption. So do tell me how democracy in Thailand has helped against corruption. It has not.. nor has junta rule. 

 

I prefer democracy but as I said Thailand is a Kleptocracy. 

 

You are the one who is silly trying to desperately not having to post anything that condemns the thief from Dubai, while I on the other hand have no problems condemning the junta. 

 

I WAS vocal pro coup but unlike you i can change my mind when presented with evidence your mind is so closed you will never learn a thing.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

51 minutes ago, Lingba said:

there's corruption in every country..In Thailand it simply in your face

 

In some countries, corruption is kind of like a single pimple on your face...

 

In Thailand, it's more like a raging case of leprosy... (well, that may be overstating it just a bit...)
 

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Transparency International's 2017 Corruption Perception Index ranks the country 96th place out of 180 countries.^[4]

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Thailand

 

Look at the kinds of countries Thailand is on a par with when it comes to corruption:

 

 

 

[Shadychris]

Here's  a link to the above table so readers can actually put a little more context into it... 

 

https://tinyurl.com/y9z5hsvl

 

Just showing what countries Thailand ranks alongside is something I don't find particularly useful or relevant. What I take from the full table is that Thailand falls somewhere in the middle of peoples 'perceived' view of the level of corruption - ie the results are in no way whatsoever  scientific. What is actually rather more interesting (although not surprising) to me is the number of Western countries who are very close indeed to that middle ground.

I'm also rather surprised to see the Philippines doing worse than Thailand - my experience is that there is far more corruption there than in Thailand. But then as with the table itself it is subjective opinion and perception, and not based on any hard statistics.

Well done New Zealand though!  Note to myself - always always stick to the speed limits in NZ!

[car720]

9 hours ago, Shadychris said:

 

Exactly - maybe a 100 people have posted on this thread - all of whom would no doubt be far happier to slip a Thai cop 500THB to make a minor traffic offence 'go away', than they would be to face a much larger, fine in their country of origin, possible court appearance and penalty points on their licence - with consequent ludicrous insurance premiums.

I have no problem with this sort of corruption at all - it tends to benefit only me and a Thai who probably earns far less than me anyway.

The corruption I despise is that also found in the West which exists at a much higher level - insider shares dealing, arms for oil agreements, big business contracts won on the golf course, property and planning deals etc etc. All of which benefit the already wealthy fat cat businessmen and politicians only - and are ultimately paid for by us the taxpayers.

Perfect.

I have been saying this for years.

In the west, corruption is just as rife if not more so.  The only difference is that here it is accessible to people like me whereas in my own country I could only dream of the privileges that the rich have.

[Ossy]

31 minutes ago, car720 said:

The only difference is that here it is accessible to people like me whereas in my own country I could only dream of the privileges that the rich have.

An interesting view, car720, that probably holds more substance than many of us would care to admit.

[AlQaholic]

On 1/26/2019 at 6:42 PM, pornprong said:

The National Anti-Corruption Commission has likened corruption in Thailand to a disease. 

 

but,

 

The National Anti-Corruption Commission did nothing about Prawit's watches. 

 

therefore,

 

The National Anti-Corruption Commission is corrupt. 

Mebe they can establish a commission to look into the problem of the alleged corruption in the anti-corruption commission?

[THE REVERAND]

Unfortunately most countries rely on corruption. The difference is some countries are much more blatant than others. Unfortunately for all of us Government officials seem the most blatant and so the blatancy flows down the veins.  

[ianf]

Their naivete is frightening.

[FarangJon]

There is no corruption in land of scam.

[brianthainess]

On 1/26/2019 at 7:39 PM, stanleycoin said:

Just trying to blame something or someone else.

The big boy made me do it,  then he run away !!!!!!!!!!

 

Corruption is a choice you make, not a disease  !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

 

 

how childish can you get. ( very Thai )  That's why they have to use cartoon caricatures in almost everything  .

[brianthainess]

On 1/27/2019 at 7:18 PM, Essaybloke said:

True story- on the afternoon of December 30th the missus and I jumped in the car to visit the supermarket. Hit the main road and guess what, police roadblock, checking helmets and vehicle rego. My ute has current rego and insurance etc, but no current sticker on the windscreen (it's in the glovebox, right? I know I know my bad). The nice sergeant told my sweetly smiling wife that a small bottle of whiskey (for happy new year) should cover the costs. Either that or a minimum of pan baht should it go 'further'. Two hours later the nice policeman (discreetly out of uniform) met us outside 7/11, collected the package and we all parted, happy enough. Saved me 650 baht, everybody happy. Not so much 'corruption' as 'individualised, personal service'. My wife cannot understand my feelings of disquietude about occurrences like this. 

You got totally ripped off mate the fine is 300 Baht. serves you right for being part of the problem.

[stanleycoin]

13 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

how childish can you get. ( very Thai )  That's why they have to use cartoon caricatures in almost everything  .

Thats one of the ways that they distance themselves from the problems, By making it into something thats not real,  like a cartoon.