The so called "anti corruption commission" could start with Prayuth, Prawit, the Biggest Joke, and then work their way down to the ministers, the top policemen all over the country, and then keep going. You do not have to look very far. And look closest at those who claim to be fighting corruption. 

 

However, most of us are aware that this administration was installed to protect the elite, the powerful, those that are in office, the super wealthy, and those that are connected. 

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by spidermike007

what about the Deputy PM and his watch collection borrowed from his dead friend.

the anti-corruption ruled 5-3 he was innocent.

what does that say for the 3 that said he was guilty ?

17 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Corruption is not only endemic in the people but its in the system. When you owe a superior for your promotion there will likely come a time when it needs paying back. The lack of social equality is the start of all this corruption, you must never criticise those above you, hence you can not report them. 

My understanding is that the 'pay back' is not a sometime event but rather more a scheduled stream. Perhaps not to forget obvious examples elsewhere around the globe but, organised stonewalling in many western countries is understood and accepted.

The NACC is not one to be talking about this, nor the regime. It is in their bad taste as way too many instances already that have been cleared.

8 minutes ago, Pattaya28 said:

what about the Deputy PM and his watch collection borrowed from his dead friend.

the anti-corruption ruled 5-3 he was innocent.

what does that say for the 3 that said he was guilty ?

Exactly. Should be a perfect slate.

 

18 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Here it has a certain innocent amorality about it at street level, higher up it is dangerously immoral and unassailable, those who would rid Thailand of corruption are tightly wound into the net of lies and deceit and will do all they can to keep the status quo. Woe to those who show courage and draw a sword to kill the dragon. 

Spot on.

"The treatment is simple: Speak up each and every time corruption rears its head."

Speak up to who? Put it online and get charged with defamation, computer crimes.

Complain about police to the police?

There is a Japanese saying that may apply: "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down"

Show me a man with no mind that has been corrupted and continues to not allow the mind to be corrupted and I have found my guiding light. 

 

Hyoocrites eveywhere, everywhere.

 

Really serious regarding corruption then dissolve the ‘deity called government’, as its own true nature is corrupt by the ‘authoritarian’ stick wielding it does by enforcing the code of comply, pay up or face the consequences.  

1 hour ago, robblok said:

That is the whole problem, the army and politicians don't WANT it to change. They all benefit from it and that is why there is so much violence... being in government is so profitable that they will stage coups, or bomb opponents or shoot them whatever to get in power. Sometimes some token people get caught and that is it.

 

Still better that some get caught then none at all.

The democratically elected Thai governments of the 21st century were the beginning of the end of the grand scale state sponsored corruption that so flourished in Thailand for the past 80 years.

Thus the coups.

Simpletons who bought the lie that Thaksin was more, not less corrupt than the military regimes that preceded him are just morons, overwhelmed by their fascist sympathies, who are too dumb to realise that supporting coups is to support the continuation of a corrupt Thailand.

 

2 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The democratically elected Thai governments of the 21st century were the beginning of the end of the grand scale state sponsored corruption that so flourished in Thailand for the past 80 years.

Thus the coups.

Simpletons who bought the lie that Thaksin was more, not less corrupt than the military regimes that preceded him are just morons, overwhelmed by their fascist sympathies, who are too dumb to realise that supporting coups is to support the continuation of a corrupt Thailand.

 

You really believe this, your funny. There has been no real reduction of corruption. Even Yingluck her rice program ended with 33 billion baht in fake G2G trades. This was proven in court.

 

So please live on with the believe that the Shins were less corrupt and were ending the corruption. Meanwhile the realist will see that the Shins were as corrupt as any of them junta included. 

Is it corruption or is it a way of doing business. How many of you use "agencies" to get their visa's if you don't qualify under the normal rules? How many use agencies to get your car and/or motorbike licenses? How many of you that own bars pay the local police/mafia to provide that peace of mind? How many of you have paid the police a traffic violation fine without getting a receipt? It's the way that business is done here live with it. It won't end tomorrow, next week, next month, next year or anytime in the future. 

2 generations to resolve this and other aspects of Thailand eg Education.

 

First corruption needs to be stopped in it's tracks, and no Thai administration will be prepared to do that for fear of the enemies it will make, starting at the top. Then a new generation of Thais needs to grow up without corruption being in their administration. Then TL may have a chance.

 

Right now? Nothing they do short of the above will be effective. The Police, the army, the judiciary, the civil service. Corruption is endemic and embedded too deeply, it's a part of the Thai culture and this is a real problem.

 

Nothing will change it except a 2 generation serious effort.

 

In my opinion.

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by HalfLight

Political will to change things in lacking. 

Corruption in Thailand?  LOL  In the USA we are masters of corruption but we are much more discrete.  If you are a Drug company you hire a lobbyist to pass laws that make it so expensive to bring a new drug to market that it keeps your old drugs on the market longer and prevents competition.  If you are Hillary Clinton, you open a "FOUNDATION" and accept 'DONATIONS'  and the foundation spends little on charity and lots on travel for Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea.  If you are Obama, you get influence peddler Tony Rezko to buy a lot net to the home you are considering buying and on the day you close on your Chicago home, Rezko sells the adjacent lot to Obama making the home more valuable.  If you are Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader and former head of the Nevada Gaming commission, you just happen to invest in real estate that surprisingly is sold for Casino's who get the licenses granted.  If you are Nancy Pelosi  Speaker of the House, now worth over $120 million dollars you just shepherd legislation over the years favorable to your husbands business interests.  In Mexico like Thailand you bring cash.  In the USA you make deals. 

25 minutes ago, FunnyFarm said:

Every government in this world is corrupt to some extent. Most western nations have super corrupt governments, but the corruption is hidden or disguised more efficiently to most people 

Recently corruption in our own government has become more than obvious to those of us in the taxi industry given the fact that UBER is allowed to operate their vehicles like taxis without having to follow the same set of rules and regulations that we do. Also, in San Francisco if a 25 year old, who has never driven a taxi before in his life, purchases a taxi medallion from the city he has no 800 hours a year driving requirement, whereas, old and ageing medallion holders in their 60s and 70s who acquired their taxi medallions years ago do.

12 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

TL

Ruination of an otherwise excellent post. If you're in too much of a hurry to type THAILAND, get yourself a secretary. Or maybe it meant sommat else.

TTFN

Ossy

I can't think of any country that doesn't have corruption, so why focus on Thailand all the time?

19 hours ago, CGW said:

This is the same commission that very recently cleared the "watch man" of any wrong doing and are currently being investigated ????

Very reassuring ????

...and they need cartoons to get the message to the deliberately kept uneducated population. I remember the quote of a Thai minister saying: "there was no corruption in Thailand before the Chinese arrived." Now they have to find a way to blame it on westerners so it won't hurt tourism.

Btw. regarding the "watch man" I like the subtle humour of the guy who is placing the ads on this site:

From the OP ...

corruption and Thailand had gone hand in hand since for ever.

"Remember the Golden Rule - He who has the Gold makes the Rules" in EVERY country on earth.

Why single out LOS ?

 

I doubt anti corruption will work in Thailand within the next few generations unless they do a modern hard reboot similar to what Singapore did a long time ago. But this will be close to impossible and unless there is a great war nothing will change except who is in "power" every few years.

Before I would say there is almost no corruption in the Country i'm from which is Sweden...and I can tell you this couldnt be further from the truth Corruption has bloomed in the last decade in anything from public construction projects to healthcare. from Schools to Immigration etc. The problem in Sweden public official can get away with anything. 

18 hours ago, Pilotman said:

My Thai wife paid the police to investigate a motorbike accident involving one of our family, They would not move on it until she paid them 5,000 Baht.  When I pointed out how wrong and corrupt this was, she just shrugged and said to me that is how the system works.  She was not in the slightest bit bothered by it, and this from a lady who spent 19 years in the UK. If people like her accept it as normal, nothing will ever change. 

Unfortunately you can take the Thai out of the village but not the village out of a Thai.

I too am married to a Thai lady. 

Yes, sure,,,, speak up & die,,,,,,, no thanks

35 minutes ago, Ossy said:

Ruination of an otherwise excellent post. If you're in too much of a hurry to type THAILAND, get yourself a secretary. Or maybe it meant sommat else.

TTFN

Ossy

 

Just naturally idle I guess...

 

But thanks for reminding me, I'll try not to do it again - 'twasn't the first time...

 

 

55 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Utter paranoid BS.

 

I genuinely feel sorry for you 

You wouldn't feel sorry for me if you knew the life I live. Feel sorry for the locals, not me. 

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Corruption in Thailand?  LOL  In the USA we are masters of corruption but we are much more discrete.  If you are a Drug company you hire a lobbyist to pass laws that make it so expensive to bring a new drug to market that it keeps your old drugs on the market longer and prevents competition.  If you are Hillary Clinton, you open a "FOUNDATION" and accept 'DONATIONS'  and the foundation spends little on charity and lots on travel for Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea.  If you are Obama, you get influence peddler Tony Rezko to buy a lot net to the home you are considering buying and on the day you close on your Chicago home, Rezko sells the adjacent lot to Obama making the home more valuable.  If you are Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader and former head of the Nevada Gaming commission, you just happen to invest in real estate that surprisingly is sold for Casino's who get the licenses granted.  If you are Nancy Pelosi  Speaker of the House, now worth over $120 million dollars you just shepherd legislation over the years favorable to your husbands business interests.  In Mexico like Thailand you bring cash.  In the USA you make deals. 

As an American, I read this and all I have to say is YUP!  lol   The corruption in Washington DC is at insane levels...

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Corruption in Thailand?  LOL  In the USA we are masters of corruption but we are much more discrete.  If you are a Drug company you hire a lobbyist to pass laws that make it so expensive to bring a new drug to market that it keeps your old drugs on the market longer and prevents competition.  If you are Hillary Clinton, you open a "FOUNDATION" and accept 'DONATIONS'  and the foundation spends little on charity and lots on travel for Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea.  If you are Obama, you get influence peddler Tony Rezko to buy a lot net to the home you are considering buying and on the day you close on your Chicago home, Rezko sells the adjacent lot to Obama making the home more valuable.  If you are Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader and former head of the Nevada Gaming commission, you just happen to invest in real estate that surprisingly is sold for Casino's who get the licenses granted.  If you are Nancy Pelosi  Speaker of the House, now worth over $120 million dollars you just shepherd legislation over the years favorable to your husbands business interests.  In Mexico like Thailand you bring cash.  In the USA you make deals. 

Human nature is ubiquitous. I have found though, that Thais are more greedy and less subtle - probably the risk of getting caught is a lot lower and everyone's at it so the 'safety in numbers' thing kicks in. I also found that in Thailand, the man/woman at the ground floor gets sucked in as well, which I don't remember seeing in UK.

1 hour ago, the guest said:

I can't think of any country that doesn't have corruption, so why focus on Thailand all the time?

This would make perfect sense if the name of this website had any other country than ‘Thai’ in their website name. 

 

 

I do believe the Junta's promise was to eradicate corruption, or was it legalise corruption, obviously they thrive on it. A lot have got very rich during the last 4 years. I can't fathom why?? 

Hahaha - the National Anti-Corruption Commission - the disease itself.

When you have a cultural system whereby payment has to be made for a lucrative government job, and the outlay is recouped and profit then made through the perpetration of similar corruption, it becomes very difficult to remove the cancer, short of wholesale, major surgery that may well kill the body politic in the process.