Education not to blame for BNK48's Nazi moment: Official

[HalfLight]

So now an innocent girl who had no idea what a swastica was is traumatized for life.

 

Innocent... Maybe, but people reject her justification for wearing a swastika. The reality is probably that it was a stage stunt and designed only to make more boys want to get inside her underwear. If you're going to wear something like that you need to understand what you're wearing, it wouldn't take more than a few moments to find out about it. If a girl wears what she obviously recognised as a powerful symbol without understanding what it is then the girl's a clod.

 

You tell me who the bad guys are here.

 

Sure, she is.  But it's not a hanging offence, unless being stupid and uneducated has suddenly become a capital crime in Thailand. That's possible stranger things have happened but I don't think it has. Otherwise there'd be bugger all Thais in Thailand.

 

I have seen that symbol scribbled on about 500 notebooks in high school by kids who did know what it was. This is such an overblown story, and I really truly do feel sorry for the girl.

 

So there are others like her. So what? Does that diminish her offence? No it doesn't. It just goes to suggest that the people who scribble it know perfectly well what it is, and you clearly gree because tou said so. Frankly, the thought of 500+ snotty-nosed adolescent Thais trying to be big bad nazis by scribbling a swastika on their exercise book makes me feel a bit nauseous.

 

Yes the story has become overblown, that's the nature of Thai society, but hey, look on the bright side. Whether you feel sorry for the clod or not, I expect it'll be a while before she wears a swastika again, so there might be a good outcome after all.

 

 

[GinBoy2]

24 minutes ago, yosuik said:

Sorry about that. I do apologise.

Which then triggers another can of worms which kinda really sucks.

So, I didn't know that they teach to such levels of detail.... but then why do they (i.e. American Government) hardly do anything to compensate or admit to realise even if they do know?

 

Well you can go around and around on that.

In fact every Native American receives a stipend from the Federal Government's Bureau of indian Affairs. I don't think many other ex colonial powers do that.

In addition to that, in many States the tribes run casinos generating millions of $ which get distributed among tribal members. Since these are classed on sovereign tribal lands, totally outside of Federal control or taxation.

The past was terrible, but in some respects we fessed up to it. The British, Dutch, French, and worst of all the Belgians, I don't see much remorse or reparations there

 

[HalfLight]

12 minutes ago, tifino said:

The educating of others, about those subject; well there maybe this pattern:

 

I recall there was an observation, in one of the many related Threads, that some sort of approx 10 year cycle goes on regarding reactions to the Nazi Swastika question...

 

 

Could it be? that the very locals who really picked up on it, this time around, 

were the very youngers 10 years back that were picked up on it last time?

 

10 years from now it very wellmay be this girl who, 10 years older, still remembers what happened just now.

 

the only locals that are capable of appreciating the concept, are those who were (youngsters) thrown into the arena, last time...

 

 The cycle then self replicates ad infinitum!

 

 

there really is no learning!

it is simply a DejaVu, from those few

Yes, the world goes in cycles, and yes the wheel will turn, But at all points in the cycle, people should try to be good people and parents should try to be good parents, even though their education is minimal.

 

Personally, I started really learning about life and the world quite late in life, and what I managed to do, others can too. The problem is in Thailand, a rice farmer is always a rice farmer. And so are his/her kids. A lack of ambition for anything other than stealing and cheating appears to be a national characteristic. It's a major reason why Thailand is a third-world country with sod all chance of ever being anything else - imho.

[HalfLight]

5 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

In fact every Native American receives a stipend from the Federal Government's Bureau of indian Affairs. I don't think many other ex colonial powers do that.

Guilt money, same as with the Australian Aboriginals. Nothing salves a guilty national conscience quite like handing over lots of free money.

 

 

 

[GinBoy2]

4 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Guilt money, same as with the Australian Aboriginals. Nothing salves a guilty national conscience quite like handing over lots of free money.

 

 

 

Well what else can you do 100 odd years after the fact. 

You are right, of course it's guilt money, but the people that actually did this are long dead.

 

Thinking about this. I'm hispanic, but I'm from European stock. One of the biggest genocides in human history was the Spanish in The Americas. 

 

Nobody talks about that

[HalfLight]

Just now, GinBoy2 said:

Well what else can you do 100 odd years after the fact. 

You are right, of course it's guilt money, but the people that actually did this are long dead.

 

Thinking about this. I'm hispanic, but I'm from European stock. One of the biggest genocides in human history was the Spanish in The Americas. 

 

Nobody talks about that

Of course they don't - countries never like to talk about their national disgraces. Take Iraq for a pretty good example, and indeed the decimation of (what is now) Latin America by the Spanish and others. Every nation I know about was built on rotten wood and dosesn't like to hear about its maggots.

 

 

 

[Jaggg88]

On 1/29/2019 at 2:08 PM, Prissana Pescud said:

This symbol on the Buddha is not a swastica. The Nazi symbol is based on an ancient Aryan symbol. The "arms" of Nazi symbol face the other way to this one. 

The symbol on the Buddha is a symbol used to represent the sun. The Nazis changed the ancient symbol. The ancient symbol is still used in Buddhist rites. 

 

The Nazi symbol is now used to depict mass murder and total intolerance. It is an evil symbol. 

It should never be seen and the fact it is worn indicates a desperate lack of education and humanity. 

If you read the wiki article it explains that the Hindu religion uses both clockwise and counterclockwise swastikas - with the name Swastika coming from Sanskrit. However, the girl in the band is wearing a T-shirt depicting a Nazi war flag so no confusion with Hinduism at all.

[Prissana Pescud]

1 hour ago, Jaggg88 said:

If you read the wiki article it explains that the Hindu religion uses both clockwise and counterclockwise swastikas - with the name Swastika coming from Sanskrit. However, the girl in the band is wearing a T-shirt depicting a Nazi war flag so no confusion with Hinduism at all.

The non Nazi version of the swastika is ancient.

I remember seeing  an underground crypt that was opened up in Rome in a documentary.

It was a very early Christian meeting place hidden away as Rome was oppressing Christians then.

On a walls were many symbols, mostly of crosses in various forms. And a swastika was there as well. 

Many people including Hitler, do/did not understand the history of the symbols.

Before Hitler it had mystical properties.

After Nazis, it is now a loathsome sign to all peoples who do not condone utter intolerance by people with Nazi views.

Jews were not the only victims in death camps. It is estimated that another 6 million disabled, gay, communist, trade unionists

and anyone that did not openly support the Nazis were murdered.

 This lass was ignorant of the perversion she was wearing. And the fact that ignorance is common in Thailand is disturbing.