2 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

should UK opt to remain, not much clout left now, not many would be interested in

UKs views on constitutional improvements.

Absolutely right. No turning back now! 

1 hour ago, Justin Side said:

You hanging on the words of that moron?

Good grief.

I guess that you must be a Remainer.

 

No answer but an insult. Isn't that a surprise.

 

1 hour ago, Justin Side said:

Probably the fact that he is totally wrong.

 

And you know this how exactly?

5 hours ago, Mavideol said:

in this particular case what's the difference

Fear

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Yes .., and the Irish PM was even laughing with it , it was just fun to see 

Yep  both as bad as each other  

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Yep  both as bad as each other  

But really had a good fun of it ...

What a lad! Brilliant!

 

Reet Yorkshire analysis!

17 minutes ago, Grouse said:

What a lad! Brilliant!

 

Reet Yorkshire analysis!

Seems some people in U.K. understand the situation at least , marvelous analyses from this guy  ????

Edited February 7, 20197 yr by david555

could somebody please offer me a link to Tusk's special place in hell tirade

Id like  to hear it

 

the links that circulated the day he said it didn't work for me

 

 

if I have understood things right May has developed a new variant of backstop

which she tests out in Brussels today,

Friday testing it in Ireland

 

is the text out in the open, or not yet?

 

 

Edited February 7, 20197 yr by melvinmelvin

16 hours ago, Spidey said:

At the time, Spanish law stated that at least one of your parents needed to be Spanish. Neither of his parents were. You're probably right about Spain at that time, it was governed by the Facist party under Franco. Similar to the Tory party would be under Boris.

You've gone from a very unfair exaggeration about Britain's treatment of immigrants to making a comparison between Franco and Boris. Do you really feel that the argument's you are making are not sufficiently strong enough without substantial embellishment and hyperbole?

5 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

could somebody please offer me a link to Tusk's special place in hell tirade

Id like  to hear it

 

the links that circulated the day he said it didn't work for me

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, vogie said:

 

 

thanks, interesting

I had expected it worse, but of course - comments like that do not facilitate the handling of Brexit

 

11 hours ago, Justin Side said:

You hanging on the words of that moron?

Good grief.

Remainers seem to hang on his every word when it suits them to.

 

The thing he said about a narrow loss not being the end of it, gets quoted by remainers every week here. Somehow they seem oblivious to the fact that quoting it only highlights the double standards they themselves employ.

 

Show me a remainer who would have been agreeing with his quote had remain won. I'll show you a liar.

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

thanks, interesting

I had expected it worse, but of course - comments like that do not facilitate the handling of Brexit

 

It's funny to see remainers, who have on the whole been very sensitive any time anyone from the Brexit side has spoken "robustly" towards the EU and who have espoused a friendly tone, defending, or at least, not condemning the choice of Tusk's words. Anytime the EU has spoken strongly it is deemed as just them standing up for their interests. Anytime Britain has spoken strongly it is deemed jingoistic, small-minded and divisive.

 

Anyway, after all of the inept blunders from the May camp throughout this process, it's good to see the EU making some too. Tusk's words have given May the upper hand to now see out this game of chicken. Whether she does or not, we'll have to wait and see.

16 hours ago, Mavideol said:

in this particular case what's the difference

 

 

The fact that you don't know says more about you than Brexit.

15 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

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should UK opt to remain, not much clout left now, not many would be interested in

UKs views on constitutional improvements.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The arrogant b4stards never were interested. Cameron discovered that the hard way.

 

Note Melvin - you may wish otherwise but the UK will NOT opt to remain.

 

Edited February 8, 20197 yr by LucysDad

20 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Tusk also was the first senior European to suggest the UK should hold another referendum, withdraw Article 50, and stay in the EU. Something he really would like to see.

 

A man of vision and integrity, prepared to say what many are thinking but daren't say.

 

Pity there are none of his character in British politics at the moment.

A man of vision and integrity, prepared to say what many are thinking but daren't say.

 

There's a reason why many daren't say it you know?

 

Those people who want to say it but won't, are the same people who voted in favour of letting the public decide, the same people who voted in favour of triggering A50, the same people who campaigned on manifestos promising to implement Brexit.

 

And you think, what would really give these people the character, vision and integrity of a great man like Tusk, would be to say, "Yeah, you know all those promises i made, i actually only made them because i thought you'd vote in the way that i wanted you to. Since you didn't, i really can't make good on what i said. Oops. Whoops-a-daisy. Sorry about that. Tell you what though, if you wouldn't mind just voting again for me, and this time, vote the way i want you to, and then i really do pinky promise that i'll do exactly as you tell me to. You have my word".

20 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The same the Germans can do with regards to their president. So what?

The argument that was being made by Spidey was that the EU president was elected "Pretty much like the British Prime Minister then".

 

To repeat, no, the difference is that British people have a means of getting May out of office if they wish to. How can British people get Juncker out of office if they wish to?

 

No idea how your comment above relates to any of that.

Edited February 8, 20197 yr by rixalex

13 hours ago, Grouse said:

Damn, I'll have to move on....????

 

Not all Brexiters are the same. I needed a collective term to describe those who didn't really understand what was going on but were still staunch Brexiters.

 

Clearly Boris and Mogg are alphas. Bad ones...

 

Many, indeed most, Brexiters here are knowledgeable of the facts. We just agree to differ.

I thought Epsilon was German for the letter Y and erudite was superglue ????

54 minutes ago, rixalex said:

The argument that was being made by Spidey was that the EU president was elected "Pretty much like the British Prime Minister then".

Which is true. 

 

54 minutes ago, rixalex said:

To repeat, no, the difference is that British people have a means of getting May out of office if they wish to. How can British people get Juncker out of office if they wish to?

By the same means the British people can get May out: representative  democracy. 

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Which is true. 

 

By the same means the British people can get May out: representative  democracy. 

wonder why the Brexiters refer to the EU as a tyranny type of institution all because it doesn't go their way..... but they claim UK to be a democracy, if so, be open mind and respect opinions of others

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

wonder why the Brexiters refer to the EU as a tyranny type of institution all because it doesn't go their way..... but they claim UK to be a democracy, if so, be open mind and respect opinions of others

Brexiteers’ understanding of proper democracy is dictatorship by manipulated opinion polls. That’s why EU politicians are “unelected” for them: there are no referendums they can manipulate to get their preferred fat-right idiots in. 

9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Which is true. 

 

By the same means the British people can get May out: representative  democracy. 

What are you going on about?

 

I have explained how the British public can get May out of office. Please explain by what means the British public can get Juncker out?

3 minutes ago, rixalex said:

What are you going on about?

 

I have explained how the British public can get May out of office. Please explain by what means the British public can get Juncker out?

I told you: through the means of representative democracy. The same way you can get May out of office. 

1 hour ago, LucysDad said:

 

The arrogant b4stards never were interested. Cameron discovered that the hard way.

 

Note Melvin - you may wish otherwise but the UK will NOT opt to remain.

 

for me same same, I am not fussy

but the option to remain is still there, on the table, available

 

 

14 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Absolutely right. No turning back now! 

Looks like you are going to get your wish after all. Donald Tusk has just offered May a lifeline. Come back with the proposals that Corbyn has offered and we may have a deal. May bit his hand off.

 

So that's remain in the CM/CU, which would mean allowing the free movement of people in Europe, and continuing to impose EU legislation on workers rights, Health and Safety law etc.

 

Sounds good to me. Now remind me, just why did you Luddites want to leave the EU?

Edited February 8, 20197 yr by Spidey

Mr. Tusk will see hjs own Hell soon enuff, that he should not be worrying what other people will face when they get there. EU mucky muck, blaaa. bla.

Geezer

38 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I told you: through the means of representative democracy. The same way you can get May out of office. 

"The same way you can get May out of office".

 

The way i can get May out of office is to vote for a party that doesn't have her as leader. Tell me how i can get Juncker out of office? Try to be a little more specific than, "through means of representative democracy", if you can.

 

Alternatively just be honest for a change and admit that the British electorate is powerless to remove him from office. You know. I know it. Everyone knows it. Why lie?

41 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Sounds good to me. Now remind me, just why did you Luddites want to leave the EU?

Being talked down to by people who think they know better, like you, is part of it.

13 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Being talked down to by people who think they know better, like you, is part of it.

In or out of the EU, I'll still be here!