Thai media warns condo owners - face a 2,000 baht fine if you fail to report a guest

[mike787]

2 minutes ago, rexall said:

I lived and worked in COMMUNIST China on three separate occasions, and I never had to deal with this kind of reporting. I am sure that one way or the other someone was keeping their eye on me, but it was never obvious or oppressive.

Well said.  Even in Vietnam recently, I had the same experience. No taxi gangs beating me, constant thai and farrrang threat of extreme fines.  No xenophobia.  Life was simple, safe, kind, smiles all around. I'm going back soon.  Thailand is only getting worse.  Soon it will be like the treatment of jews, they'll be rounding us up like cattle.  So SAD. 

[rexall]

2 minutes ago, botti said:

When will they introduce the GPS Electronic Bracelet ? Or a chip under the skin ?

If you have a cell phone, you don't need a bracelet! If they want you, they can just call you, for Pete sake!  If you ditch your phone, that constitutes the same thing as not reporting.

[mike787]

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

A Vietnam visa for what precisely?

 

You're not going apples and oranges again are you?

Depending on the passport you hold, a visa for entry to Vietnam.  Much cheaper and easier than Thailand. 

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, rexall said:

I lived and worked in COMMUNIST China on three separate occasions, and I never had to deal with this kind of reporting. I am sure that one way or the other someone was keeping their eye on me, but it was never obvious or oppressive.

No, you've worked in socialist China. To have worked in COMMUNIST China, one would be talking about pre- 1980 China and Deng Xiaoping's leadership. It was a whole lot different back then.

[NanLaew]

Just now, mike787 said:

Depending on the passport you hold, a visa for entry to Vietnam.  Much cheaper and easier than Thailand. 

I'll try again. A Vietnam visa for what precisely?

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, mike787 said:

Well said.  Even in Vietnam recently, I had the same experience. No taxi gangs beating me, constant thai and farrrang threat of extreme fines.  No xenophobia.  Life was simple, safe, kind, smiles all around. I'm going back soon.  Thailand is only getting worse.  Soon it will be like the treatment of jews, they'll be rounding us up like cattle.  So SAD. 

I've been living and working off and on in Vietnam since 2005, say 4 or 5 trips every year with the shortest trips around 3 weeks and the longest around 6 months. North, central south and even the west side.

 

It aint all that.

[mike787]

7 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I'll try again. A Vietnam visa for what precisely?

https://www.vietnam-evisa.org/visa-requirements.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw7YblBRDFARIsAKkK-dIgwhu-Gh_iWCgnj9A3li3m_dDCS4N1LUjdCexbr0yHFwVTmTGDnpIaApcjEALw_wcB

 

 

What were your most and least liked locations?  WHY?  Thank you.

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by mike787

[tso310]

I know of an Aussie who got married in December not long after coming back from the honeymoon, Koh Chang, the wife got a letter saying she was fined 300B for not reporting that her husband had returned.  She posted the letter it on her Facebook.

[rexall]

As I wrote in another forum recently, except for a year in China in 2003, I have lived in Thailand for nearly 20 years. I keep a low profile. I smile. I follow the rules. I don't complain (much), and I do not indulge in or support "Thailand bashing." However, I have been watching the screws tightening over many years. I can't think of anything more disturbing than this TM30 business. It doens't affect me personally very much, but in principle it gives me the creeps.  It is the most insane, draconian system I can imagine. "Let me zee your papers!"   Adding insult to injury, I can't imagine how it can help to curtain crime in any way. 

Please don't tell me I can move. I am well aware of that option, and I do my ongong cost-benefit-analysis looking at the advantages and disadvantages of being here, and when the disadvantages tilt the scale, I most certainly will leave.  Panama looks better all the  time. $1,000/mo income gets you a retirement visa. Less if you buy (That's right, BUY) property or invest in a business.  Permanent residency is relatively easy. Sunny, beachy, safe (relaively), hurricane risk is low, third-world-but-also modern.  Language is more accessible. US$ are an official currency. There are alternatives..  Just say'in.

[ttrd]

RE- Thai media warns condo owners - face a 2,000 baht fine if you fail to report a guest

 

When looking with lights and lamps to find a new source of income, it is often at the expense of those who actually have invested in the country ...

The next big thing may be that it will be obligatory with a e-cigarette detector in your apartment ...

This is how it goes when big-brother governs the country - sad but true ...

[mike787]

4 minutes ago, rexall said:

As I wrote in another forum recently, except for a year in China in 2003, I have lived in Thailand for nearly 20 years. I keep a low profile. I smile. I follow the rules. I don't complain (much), and I do not indulge in or support "Thailand bashing." However, I have been watching the screws tightening over many years. I can't think of anything more disturbing than this TM30 business. It doens't affect me personally very much, but in principle it gives me the creeps.  It is the most insane, draconian system I can imagine. "Let me zee your papers!"   Adding insult to injury, I can't imagine how it can help to curtain crime in any way. 

Please don't tell me I can move. I am well aware of that option, and I do my ongong cost-benefit-analysis looking at the advantages and disadvantages of being here, and when the disadvantages tilt the scale, I most certainly will leave.  Panama looks better all the  time. $1,000/mo income gets you a retirement visa. Less if you buy (That's right, BUY) property or invest in a business.  Permanent residency is relatively easy. Sunny, beachy, safe (relaively), hurricane risk is low, third-world-but-also modern.  Language is more accessible. US$ are an official currency. There are alternatives..  Just say'in.

I can vouch for that via a Panamanian/US citizen who lives there.  Your statement is "accurate" of Panama.  I am in the same position, perhaps much closer to departing from Thailand for the reasons you mention.

[Peterw42]

33 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

My friends from Europe will be visiting this coming December. Can't be bothered to report my guests, I'll take the risk. 

Depends if your friends will be visiting immigration to get an extension, thats when immigration will want to see a TM30 receipt. If they visit immigration a TM30 receipt is required or you get a fine, there isn't really a risk/no risk situation.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Peterw42

[DPKANKAN]

6 hours ago, KittenKong said:

I thought the fine was 1,600B?

 They do not realize that the crims have money so not on the radar. Every ferrang or fellang is bad man. ????????????????

Edited April 1, 2019 by DPKANKAN
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[Pedrogaz]

36 minutes ago, rexall said:

I lived and worked in COMMUNIST China on three separate occasions, and I never had to deal with this kind of reporting. I am sure that one way or the other someone was keeping their eye on me, but it was never obvious or oppressive.

I have worked all over the world. The reporting for visas seems inversely proportional to the development level of the country. The less well developed the country, the more paperwork, and the less computers. To extend your retirement status you fill in 4 different forms all asking the same information, your name, your age, your passport number etc. The last time I did mine, the I/O then typed the information into a computer. What a waste of time. 

In well developed countries you submit the paperwork once and then get on with your job, no reporting to police every five minutes. It is nonsense.

[ttrd]

6 hours ago, KittenKong said:

I thought the fine was 1,600B?

Actually the fee range between 1600 to 4000thb so look at it this way a significant discount has been given ...

[asiaexpat]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

Inflation and greed kicked it...

My wife was fined 2000 Baht many years ago when we failed to do the report and then applied for an extension of stay. This is not new or an increase, some offices just do not charge the full amount.

[milwaukeeboy]

These reports are virtually impossible for people who have guests staying in their house from abroad.

They are completely impossible for anyone who has multiple people or multiple condos with tourists or friends that come and go.

If you analyze the requirements, in order to easily report foreigners staying in one of your properties, you need some kind of tax stamp and a dedicated employee in charge of checking the comings and goings of all the foreigners involved. Too many Thais with small AirBNB and guest house operations will be fined to death if this is strictly enforced.

Even couchsurfing would have to shut down in Thailand if they enforce this ridiculous law that considers every foreign visitor as some kind of a criminal on the lam from interpol.

[AmericanSafety]

The 2,000 for failure to report is the least of the landlords worries. With the new heavy handed requirements for 400,000B and 800,000B in a bank (or equivalent pensions scheme) it will effectively reduce the population of frugal retirees. I own studios & 1 bedrooms. The majority of my prospective clientele live on modest incomes and do not have that kind of money to simply loan to a Thai bank. Especially, when all of our neighboring countries have far less compliance requirements. Cambo, Laos & Vietnam are looking better each day and I don't blame Expats for leaving. An additional issue is it is going to negatively affect the condo market in tourist areas because investment property will be fairly useless. Who wants to spend 1, 2 or 3MB for a rental when you can't fill it?

Edited April 1, 2019 by AmericanSafety

[ttrd]

 

RE - Thai media warns condo owners - face a 2,000 baht fine if you fail to report a guest

 

Wonder if this include all type of guests - if so it may interfere with an exciting moment ...

[Vacuum]

59 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

My friends from Europe will be visiting this coming December. Can't be bothered to report my guests, I'll take the risk. 

Unless you own the place, you don't have to.

[MadMuhammad]

6 hours ago, jonclark said:

All foreigners are criminals. 

 

Seems to be the underlying rational and justification for this.  

That’s strange. Follow the rules and you’ll have no worries is what I take from this 

[Destiny1990]

Great so immigration is going door by door interviewing interogating anyone that opens their door? Dont they need warants for disturbing randomly people?

 

lets say u have a tenant with a year contract first day u report him at immigration than 3 months later he travels abroad for 2 weeks once he returns he doesnt report back in with immigration and then immigration rings his door bell and check him out  then they will fine the condo owner for that??

 

How is a condo owner responsible for that? Its utterly ridiculous.

 

[SuwadeeS]

Why do they not spend the same intensive afford to hunt for dual price Thais cheating on foreigners?????????

[Destiny1990]

20 minutes ago, AmericanSafety said:

The 2,000 for failure to report is the least of the landlords worries. With the new heavy handed requirements for 400,000B and 800,000B in a bank (or equivalent pensions scheme) it will effectively reduce the population of frugal retirees. I own studios & 1 bedrooms. The majority of my prospective clientele live on modest incomes and do not have that kind of money to simply loan to a Thai bank. Especially, when all of our neighboring countries have far less compliance requirements. Cambo, Laos & Vietnam are looking better each day and I don't blame Expats for leaving. An additional issue is it is going to negatively affect the condo market in tourist areas because investment property will be fairly useless. Who wants to spend 1, 2 or 3MB for a rental when you can't fill it?

The majority of condo owners in Thailand are still Thais so this has several negative financial consequences for many locals too.

Example: Lower condo sale prices, more difficult to resell, lower rents, more fines. This is clearly not  the right way for to stimulate the property sale market imhO.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

This is what you get with an authoritarian military junta. 

 

Hope the clueless foreigners that cheered them into power and are now finding themselves under the microscope are proud of themselves.

 

When was the law now being enforced enacted?

 

And why wasn't it either enforced or repealed under previous governments?

 

There has been a push on cleaning up some criminal elements and all we get are some poster griping. I guess they preferred a kleptocracy where bribery was the get out.

[myshem]

So will i get fined for not filling any crap tm30 + not reporting me as foreigner in condos that I own ?

Ridiculous rats !

[ttrd]

2 minutes ago, myshem said:

So will i get fined for not filling any crap tm30 + not reporting me as foreigner in condos that I own ?

Ridiculous rats !

You can own a property, but it doesn't automatically mean you live there and its where you actually stay they need to know ...

[holy cow cm]

47 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Great so immigration is going door by door interviewing interogating anyone that opens their door? Dont they need warants for disturbing randomly people?

 

lets say u have a tenant with a year contract first day u report him at immigration than 3 months later he travels abroad for 2 weeks once he returns he doesnt report back in with immigration and then immigration rings his door bell and check him out  then they will fine the condo owner for that??

 

How is a condo owner responsible for that? Its utterly ridiculous.

 

Install a peep hole and don't open the door. Plain and simple. 

[bkk6060]

They could make 500, 000 b a day at The Base in Pattaya.

[ujayujay]

Warning, warning all the time. "Guestfriendly" LOS slowly discover its real Face.