Popular Post Kelsall Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) It's a beautiful plan, dump 'em all into California. The blue state can become even bluer, become a socialist paradise like Venezuela. The dream can be realized! Edited April 16, 2019 by Kelsall 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 You know all the legals in Callie are shaking their head right now, ahahaaa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kelsall said: It's a beautiful plan, dump 'em all into California. One kind of stupidity consists of saying the same falsehood over and over again, and somehow expecting it to become true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 8:01 AM, bristolboy said: You got some figures to back up your contention that California is the destination of most of these people? Or are you just bloviating? both your questions are idiotic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, papa al said: both your questions are idiotic. Thanks for your reasoned analysis of my questions. Can you believe that there are people out there who just denigrate others' responses without supplying reasons? I think you and I can both agree that they are more to be pitied than scorned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 A troll post has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Thanks for your reasoned analysis of my questions. Can you believe that there are people out there who just denigrate others' responses without supplying reasons? I think you and I can both agree that they are more to be pitied than scorned. Not an analysis; just pointing out the obvious. Yes, that is normal human behaviour. papa doesn't give a shit one way or the other. Why should i? Why do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Scott Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Cryingdick said: If they are in Arizona now that is the Sonoran desert, a very harsh area. Why would you not want them to go to places with social services? The entire area around the border is basically uninhabitable if you do not have a home with water. So I don't understand why you would want the illegals to be stuck there? When illegals are picked up, they are transported from the Sonoran Desert to cities like Phoenix. There are numerous shelters, mostly run by churches, that provide them with temporary housing. Large numbers are simply dropped off at the bus station in Phoenix to find their way to wherever they are going. The President is being cruel and inhumane in using people as pawns against cities he doesn't like. He made his National Emergency. He has the resources he needs, but he is still unable to solve the problem. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Scott said: When illegals are picked up, they are transported from the Senoran Desert to cities like Phoenix. There are numerous shelters, mostly run by churches, that provide them with temporary housing. Large numbers are simply dropped off at the bus station in Phoenix to find their way to wherever they are going. The President is being cruel and inhumane in using people as pawns against cities he doesn't like. He made his National Emergency. He has the resources he needs, but he is still unable to solve the problem. Agreed, but it’s also a little more than that. Trump frequently states that these immigrants are a threat to the safety of the communities into which they move. His proposal to transport undocumented immigrants ( that he regards a threat) to communities is a proposal to actively intend harm to those communities. The proposal to single out communities that are predominantly Democrat is to actively do harm to communities that do not support him. Putting aside whether or not these immigrants are an actual threat, the President actively acting to commit what he believes harm to communities that do not support him is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Agreed, but it’s also a little more than that. Trump frequently states that these immigrants are a threat to the safety of the communities into which they move. His proposal to transport undocumented immigrants ( that he regards a threat) to communities is a proposal to actively intend harm to those communities. The proposal to single out communities that are predominantly Democrat is to actively do harm to communities that do not support him. Putting aside whether or not these immigrants are an actual threat, the President actively acting to commit what he believes harm to communities that do not support him is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. I doubt very much that Custom and Border Patrol would knowingly let criminal elements lose on any city, sanctuary or not. I am reasonable sure they do some screening before sending them to shelters or bus stations. Since the big uptick in people entering the US are mostly families from Central America, I don't think they are a threat to the sanctuary cities. There may very well be a threat and a major problem, but I doubt it is from the asylum-seekers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Agreed, but it’s also a little more than that. Trump frequently states that these immigrants are a threat to the safety of the communities into which they move. His proposal to transport undocumented immigrants ( that he regards a threat) to communities is a proposal to actively intend harm to those communities. The proposal to single out communities that are predominantly Democrat is to actively do harm to communities that do not support him. Putting aside whether or not these immigrants are an actual threat, the President actively acting to commit what he believes harm to communities that do not support him is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. Why would it harm them, as they welcome illegal migrants? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Just now, dick dasterdly said: Why would it harm them, as they welcome illegal migrants? Refer extract from my response that you seem to have missed. “Putting aside whether or not these immigrants are an actual threat, the President actively acting to commit what he believes harm to communities that do not support him is an extremely dangerous precedent to set.“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Agreed, but it’s also a little more than that. Trump frequently states that these immigrants are a threat to the safety of the communities into which they move. His proposal to transport undocumented immigrants ( that he regards a threat) to communities is a proposal to actively intend harm to those communities. The proposal to single out communities that are predominantly Democrat is to actively do harm to communities that do not support him. Putting aside whether or not these immigrants are an actual threat, the President actively acting to commit what he believes harm to communities that do not support him is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. 17 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Why would it harm them, as they welcome illegal migrants? 12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Refer extract from my response that you seem to have missed. “Putting aside whether or not these immigrants are an actual threat, the President actively acting to commit what he believes harm to communities that do not support him is an extremely dangerous precedent to set.“ I'm still missing the point, as regardless of what trump believes - these communities believe differently and welcome illegal immigrants. Surely it's a win/win? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: I'm still missing the point, as regardless of what trump believes - these communities believe differently and welcome illegal immigrants. Surely it's a win/win? I would think welcoming climate migrants would be the first part of the GND? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: I'm still missing the point, as regardless of what trump believes - these communities believe differently and welcome illegal immigrants. Surely it's a win/win? I believe it’s a win win and have said so. But you are missing the point. Trump is playing to his base and proposing what he believes to be committing harm. Read the numerous posts from Trump supporters here on TVF blaming immigrants for a wide range of crimes and criminality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I believe it’s a win win and have said so. But you are missing the point. Trump is playing to his base and proposing what he believes to be committing harm. Read the numerous posts from Trump supporters here on TVF blaming immigrants for a wide range of crimes and criminality. "I believe it’s a win win and have said so." In which case, I'm not sure why we are arguing on this topic ????. It's obvious that the different sides believe different things, but as long as both sides 'win' - who cares? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: "I believe it’s a win win and have said so." In which case, I'm not sure why we are arguing on this topic ????. It's obvious that the different sides believe different things, but as long as both sides 'win' - who cares? It matters because the President is threatening to wield Presidential power to commit what he believes is harm to communities that do not support him. This occasion releasing interned immigrants is a win win but the precedent is an act of intended harm. That is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I believe it’s a win win and have said so. But you are missing the point. Trump is playing to his base and proposing what he believes to be committing harm. Read the numerous posts from Trump supporters here on TVF blaming immigrants for a wide range of crimes and criminality. It's not so much the crime buddy,It's the total optic !To come over under and around a border is illegal! These Asylum seekers are circumventing the law! I think its a good idea to send them to cities that go to extreme lengths to welcome them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Just now, riclag said: It's not so much the crime buddy,It's the total optic !To come over under and around a border is illegal! These Asylum seekers are circumventing the law! I think its a good idea to send them to cities that go to extreme lengths to welcome them Your support for releasing undocumented immigrants from detention and providing them with tax payer funded transport to cities where they will not be persecuted for their immigration status and from where they can travel as they wish (de facto open borders) is noted. Pause and think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: It matters because the President is threatening to wield Presidential power to commit what he believes is harm to communities that do not support him. This occasion releasing interned immigrants is a win win but the precedent is an act of intended harm. That is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. I give up! We both think it is a win/win situation, but you would prefer that it shouldn't be allowed to happen as it suits trump and his supporters.... The fact that it also suits 'sanctuary cities' isn't relevant..... I would agree with you if the hierarchy were looking to impose something that wasn't wanted in those cities - but this is not the case! Edited April 16, 2019 by dick dasterdly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EVENKEEL Posted April 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2019 Anything Trump says or does will always be met with resistance by the ignorant left. Trump just recently tried to make illegals seeking asylum to wait in Mexico. This was shot down, Congress sits on their asses, and still it keeps being said that Trump created this mess. What happened to we're a land of immigrants, when in truth nobody wants all these illegals in their neighborhoods. It's all just words spoken to spite Trump. Now that your city might be overrun by thousands of asylum seekers, you want to leave them where they stand at the border. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Your support for releasing undocumented immigrants from detention and providing them with tax payer funded transport to cities where they will not be persecuted for their immigration status and from where they can travel as they wish (de facto open borders) is noted. Pause and think about it. Then you are also against releasing illegal immigrants into the general public and against illegal immigration in general. I am too. I also strongly support legal immigration and the right of sovereign countries, communities, and families to control their own destinies. It is a world wide thing and has been for at least 10,000 years. What Trump is trying to do is force the problems back onto the perpetrators of our failed immigration system in the hope that eventually the laws and system can be fixed. He is trying to solve a problem, not make one like so many of our corrupt politicians. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Jingthing Posted April 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2019 Not surprising. This troll threat from the Twitter troll president mainly exists to perpetuate troll memes loved by his hard core fans. He never grows his base but he does stoke up their lowest instincts on a daily basis. Truly horrifying. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post elmrfudd Posted April 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Not surprising. This troll threat from the Twitter troll president mainly exists to perpetuate troll memes loved by his hard core fans. He never grows his base but he does stoke up their lowest instincts on a daily basis. Truly horrifying. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app i'm sure the pseudo intellectual leftists agree with you. that arrogance will mean another 4 year term 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted April 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2019 Nancy Pelosi is an elected congresswoman serving at the federal level . She has nothing to do with the local government of the great city and county of San Francisco. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Nancy Pelosi is an elected congresswoman serving at the federal level . She has nothing to do with the local government of the great city and county of San Francisco. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Republicans have given up on the the separate and sovereign powers of States within the Union. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmrfudd Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Republicans have given up on the the separate and sovereign powers of States within the Union. how so precisely, and I do mean precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooping20Baht Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) for anyone even partially 'awoked" , blaming immigrants is an obvious distraction from what is really bleeding the world which is inequality , look no further than the LOS ..... the global south will try to survive by coming to your country if you bomb and pillage their natural resources , make butcher leaders into your allies , Sisi, MBS , what a great team your on ...... more enforcement of your "laws" will only end up destroying whatever civil rights that remain, so they will turn to violence as their last refuge , thinking their guns will save them from themselves IMO Edited April 17, 2019 by mooping20Baht ss 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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