Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

TBL, I nominate you for "Most Cynical Poster of the Year" award.

If short answers are all that you can handle then here's my reply.

Ignorance.  Ignorance which permits all that is "bad" and ignorance which is incapable of understanding it.

Now if gotten into hot water before because of my use of the word ignorance.  Ignorance by it's definition is merely this:  lack of knowledge or information.  The word carries no judgement.  People attach judgement to the word, though.  I do not and I do not do so here.

A badge I shall wear with honour. More people should be cynical and if that were so, politicians might not be able to fool so many of us so so easily.

 

However, I'm not ignorant, and you have no way of making that judgement of me as you know nothing about me beyond the few words I write on this forum.

 

If I really was ignorant, I'd probably take drugs to blot out reality and do antisocial things like so many do nowadays.

 

I wasn't born cynical- I came into the world with no thoughts other than the desire to feed, but everything that has happened to me in the years since has made me a cynic.

I guess becoming cynical has been as a defense against the BS and horrible people that assail me every day in this existence.

[Tippaporn]

44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A badge I shall wear with honour. More people should be cynical and if that were so, politicians might not be able to fool so many of us so so easily.

 

However, I'm not ignorant, and you have no way of making that judgement of me as you know nothing about me beyond the few words I write on this forum.

 

If I really was ignorant, I'd probably take drugs to blot out reality and do antisocial things like so many do nowadays.

 

I wasn't born cynical- I came into the world with no thoughts other than the desire to feed, but everything that has happened to me in the years since has made me a cynic.

I guess becoming cynical has been as a defense against the BS and horrible people that assail me every day in this existence.

Cynicism shouldn't be confused with perceptiveness.  Perceptive people are not fooled by politicians.  Cynicism is, per it's definition, believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.

Cynicism develops when the excitement, hope, eagerness, joy, and wonder of life which is a hallmark of youth is replaced with it's opposite.

Here's a personal story which might help explain.

My first 5 years in Thailand were spent with a beautiful Thai lady.  Those 5 years were absolute bliss.  We never once fought over anything.  We had nothing but fun.  During those years I made yearly trips back to the U.S.  Sometimes I would be absent for 3 or 5 months.

During one of my lengthier stays in the U.S. I was informed by an anonymous friend that my love had taken another.  We eventually broke up.  In the aftermath I was torn with extreme feelings of both hate and love.  I would awake on morning filled with wonderful memories of her and instances of love she had shown toward me.  The next morning I would awaken with my mind filled with the details of her 'betrayal.'  This went on for months.  I was literally being torn up emotionally.  But I knew I held the key to resolve it.

Employing all that I knew to be true the truths I did know which could resolve my dilemma came to me one day.  They were these:  Everyone is looking for the same thing; happiness.  The only reason anyone does anything is because they believe the doing of it will bring them happiness.  Everyone does the best they know how in any given moment.

These truths resolved my dilemma in a literal instant.  They were the catalyst to bring me to the proper perspective.  From that moment on I could freely look at what she had done without a single pang of pain because I understood fully that she was seeking her happiness.  And good on her if she found someone she was happier with than me.  For if I truly loved her then there was nothing more I could wish for her than to find happiness.  I've felt nothing other than love for her ever since those realisations brought me to the proper perspective.

Knowledge and information bring understanding which in turn changes perspectives which in their turn release one from bitter feelings; feelings which cynicism produce.  You've been viewing the state of the world from a poor perspective.  As with me, it can all change in a literal instant.  If you want it to.

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A badge I shall wear with honour. More people should be cynical and if that were so, politicians might not be able to fool so many of us so so easily.

 

However, I'm not ignorant, and you have no way of making that judgement of me as you know nothing about me beyond the few words I write on this forum.

 

If I really was ignorant, I'd probably take drugs to blot out reality and do antisocial things like so many do nowadays.

 

I wasn't born cynical- I came into the world with no thoughts other than the desire to feed, but everything that has happened to me in the years since has made me a cynic.

I guess becoming cynical has been as a defense against the BS and horrible people that assail me every day in this existence.

Just a few more thoughts.

Emotions come from thoughts.  Don''t believe me?  That truth is way too easy to check yourself whether it's true or false.  Anyone who understands that can much more easily see the thoughts which must be necessary to produce the feelings one is expressing.  There's little magic in cultivating that ability.  Any words which are either spoken or written, and you can include facial expressions, are the clues which give away the thoughts behind them.

Until we are all-knowing, which will never happen, we are all ignorant about one thing or another.  There's no shame in saying, I didn't know that.  Society does brand the word with negativity.  Of course they do so in their own ignorance.

The world can be a meat grinder that can strip you of every good thought.  If you allow it to.  And you are correct.  There are many who revert to cynicism as a defense against the horrors they see and even personally experience in the world.  But cynicism is the antithesis of who you really are.  It brings only ugly feelings which make for personal misery.  Blow it off.  You have everything in life which allows you to do so.

And with that comes very real change.  Very pleasant change.  The world is markedly different.  Your personal world.  And that is not illusory.

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Tippaporn

[Hummin]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I once thought I was going to die. My life did not flash before my eyes, and I did not have profound thoughts based on my life.

The only emotion I experienced was terror.

Almost thought is not qualified as an death experience, and I believe actually dying would be different, same as I passed out when freediving, my body first shut down organs, and try to push as much blood to my brain with oxygen, still was minutes away from actually dying. Still one very colorful event pleasant experience, and the another just black and gone, 

[rumak]

WOW  !!    (don't forget to read this backwords as well to understand the full meaning )

 

to advance to the next level ,  invite others to sit in a circle and .....................

 

sing Old Mcdonald had a Farm.  

 

I do hope that nobody thinks that I am trolling .     For this simple exercise has enabled me to

see,  to be,   to live,   to die  ........ to be one with all things.   ( except maybe Dog )

[Tippaporn]

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

True, reality is what it is, but my reality do not necessarily fit with your reality, and thats where we humans have our first obstacle to conquer and find a middle way around it, and thats where the government comes in as a great tool for good and bad. 
 

When it comes to final death moment, and after death, do we really know anything? I like to believe It is all black and done, but I can not be sure. 
 

When do your brain stop functioning if a normal death, do your life flash in front of you, will you feel any guilt or happiness when you die? I believe that moment you die, and are dying it will be a very individual experience based on you, your life, and how you feel loved or love somebody. 

"True, reality is what it is, but my reality do not necessarily fit with your reality, . . . "

It's a wonder that we can say we all live in the same world.    The world of a pauper is not the same as the world of a king.  Neither is the world of a man or woman and the world of an animal.  Or of a bug.  Or a cell.  Or an atom.

Please, I keep government as far away from my life as possible. 

 

"I believe that moment you die, and are dying it will be a very individual experience based on you, your life, and how you feel loved or love somebody."

I would say that you've described that very accurately.  The experience immediately after death is as unique from one to another as it is in life.  Some have more trouble adjusting than others.  The more one understands of the nature of death before the event the easier the transition becomes.  Assistance is there if required.

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, rumak said:

WOW  !!    (don't forget to read this backwords as well to understand the full meaning )

 

to advance to the next level ,  invite others to sit in a circle and .....................

 

sing Old Mcdonald had a Farm.  

 

I do hope that nobody thinks that I am trolling .     For this simple exercise has enabled me to

see,  to be,   to live,   to die  ........ to be one with all things.   ( except maybe Dog )

From what planet are you from, fellow space traveler?  Obviously your planet is void of Dog.  Dog is good. 

[Hummin]

29 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

"True, reality is what it is, but my reality do not necessarily fit with your reality, . . . "

It's a wonder that we can say we all live in the same world.    The world of a pauper is not the same as the world of a king.  Neither is the world of a man or woman and the world of an animal.  Or of a bug.  Or a cell.  Or an atom.

Please, I keep government as far away from my life as possible. 

 

"I believe that moment you die, and are dying it will be a very individual experience based on you, your life, and how you feel loved or love somebody."

I would say that you've described that very accurately.  The experience immediately after death is as unique from one to another as it is in life.  Some have more trouble adjusting than others.  The more one understands of the nature of death before the event the easier the transition becomes.  Assistance is there if required.

I read you as non believer, because you to often speaks as you know, and you feel confident you have found the truth. Im right or wrong?
 

 

I know this have been posted before, still interesting, but for me to far out there. I enjoy my illusion of my reality I see, touch, feel, smell and taste. The enderfines and happy hormones flow through my body when I manipulate myself to strengthen my belief in a positive way, and not negative way which is to easy to do, and then start escaping creating another reality than we most likely experience every day. I like two words realism and belief, and you might ask how those two words can fit together?
 

Unfortunate governments like we have experienced them, have been beneficial for all of us, and we had our shot to take as much advantage of the system if we wanted. 

 

 

 

[mauGR1]

24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

"True, reality is what it is, but my reality do not necessarily fit with your reality, . . . "

It's a wonder that we can say we all live in the same world.    The world of a pauper is not the same as the world of a king.  Neither is the world of a man or woman and the world of an animal.  Or of a bug.  Or a cell.  Or an atom.

Please, I keep government as far away from my life as possible. 

 

"I believe that moment you die, and are dying it will be a very individual experience based on you, your life, and how you feel loved or love somebody."

I would say that you've described that very accurately.  The experience immediately after death is as unique from one to another as it is in life.  Some have more trouble adjusting than others.  The more one understands of the nature of death before the event the easier the transition becomes.  Assistance is there if required.

I like to see you taking things seriously. ????

I used to read, and some re read, C.Castaneda's books, some very good insights there. ????

The thing about the feeling lonely when following some spiritual path.... I think it's a very good sign, a blessing. ????

There are not many people to talk about certain things. 

Is there an absolute truth?

Is our language able to express such a concept?

Are all humans equal? ????

[mauGR1]

On 2nd thoughts, I would invite anyone who are reading to name or define an "absolute truth ".

Obviously the choice is free, but please keep it short ????

I'll start, "the absolute " which incidentally is one of the names of God .

I want to exaggerate, because outside is raining buckets..

"Everything changes" is for me another absolute truth. 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

On 2nd thoughts, I would invite anyone who are reading to name or define an "absolute truth ".

Obviously the choice is free, but please keep it short ????

I'll start, "the absolute " which incidentally is one of the names of God .

I want to exaggerate, because outside is raining buckets..

"Everything changes" is for me another absolute truth. 

There is no absolute truth except one!

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

There is no absolute truth except one!

Can you name it or define it ?

[rumak]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

From what planet are you from, fellow space traveler?  Obviously your planet is void of Dog.  Dog is good. 

I am Dog .     Sometimes have difficulty "being one"  with other Dogs .     Dogs can be like that .

 

sniff,  sniff          whewwww !

Edited August 1, 2022 by rumak

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

Can you name it or define it ?

It kind of expose itself in the statement ????????  Nietzsche truism

 

 

 

Yours is one of the 3 buddhism absolute truths and had to google and found this on Quora

 

Opinion is subjective, Truth is objective.

An “Absolute Truth” is that which is valid im time and space, does not depend on conditions, and all people agree about its validity.

Nichiren Buddhism points to 3 truths that are absolute:

1/ Truth of impermanence - or everything and every state changes, nothing ever is fixed. No proof is needed. Enough to observe one’s own bod&mind( and all other phenomena). We experience change in physical and mental aspects. and so did our anscestors and children. The truth of Change is a certainty.

2/ Interconnectedness - or nothing exists in isolation. Everything is dependent on other things and causes and conditions, which in turn are depndent on other things etc… We experienced interconnectedness physically and mentally, all people everywhere. Interconnectedness is a certianty.

3/ The World is not random, there are patterns, laws and principles in nature - all included in the bond of Cause and Effect. A cause of action will lead to an effect related to it. Our own life is a sequence of events of causes and their effects. This is a certainty.

But because the Law of Cause and Effect works in all time and space, where everything is changing and interconnected - then it can be regarded as the one Absolute Truth.

[mauGR1]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 It kind of expose itself in the statement ????????  Nietzsche truism

 

Ok, my first one was a truism too.

Btw, I had one of the most vivid and thrilling dreams of my life, not too long ago, and Nietzsche was showing me something in the mysterious basements of some castle in the middle of Europe. 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Ok, my first one was a truism too.

Btw, I had one of the most vivid and thrilling dreams of my life, not too long ago, and Nietzsche was showing me something in the mysterious basements of some castle in the middle of Europe. 

Truism also says “Some things never change”

 

Another absolute truth “Life travel space”

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Truism also says “Some things never change”

 

Another absolute truth “Life travel space”

The first one reminds me of "nothing new under the sun".

...which i consider a partial truth.

"Life travels space" is pretty good imho. 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I read you as non believer, because you to often speaks as you know, and you feel confident you have found the truth. Im right or wrong?
 

 

I know this have been posted before, still interesting, but for me to far out there. I enjoy my illusion of my reality I see, touch, feel, smell and taste. The enderfines and happy hormones flow through my body when I manipulate myself to strengthen my belief in a positive way, and not negative way which is to easy to do, and then start escaping creating another reality than we most likely experience every day. I like two words realism and belief, and you might ask how those two words can fit together?
 

Unfortunate governments like we have experienced them, have been beneficial for all of us, and we had our shot to take as much advantage of the system if we wanted.

Not sure I understand your non-believer label.  Non believer of what?  Or the relationship you make between someone who knows and belief or non belief.  Can you clarify that?

ZDoggMD's theory of reality seems to be alluding to the idea of everything possessing consciousness.  On that I would agree.  Everything is ultimately energy.  It's awarized energy.  There isn't anything that exists which is "dead."  It's all alive.  But that leads to a deeper discussion that I'm not going to get into here.

He also alludes to the concept of gestalt consciousness.  What's a gestalt?  That would be similar to our bodies.  Our bodies are composed of cells, organs, and such which are further composed of smaller units of consciousness; atoms and subatomic particles and beyond.  In other words, our bodies are are made up of innumerable consciousnesses.  As we are only a portion of our greater psyche.

He also questioned what effect evolutionary forces have on the tiniest units of consciousness.  Here he goes off in the weeds in my opinion.

The first line in the video's description reads:  "Why can't we explain how matter generates consciousness? Maybe because matter is just an icon that points to a deeper reality..."  Consciousness creates form.  Not the other way around.  Which concept makes for my major bone of contention with science's beginning of life theories.  It's totally backwards.  But of course that theory assumes that there is no reality other than the physical one.  A huge assumption which, if in error, completely destroys their theory.

Here's the way I look at it.  If Seth is legitimate, if he's truly an entity whose existence has traversed through ours and beyond, if he's truly in a position to thoroughly understand our reality in it's minute detail and communicate it without distortion, and in a way that attracts the interest of even scientists, then there's no need to search for other sources who are still at the stage of trying to figure it all out.  After 4+ decades pouring through his works on a daily basis I'm convinced he's legit.  His description of reality is not only sensical but I fail to see any holes in it.  On top of that much of what he talks about I can prove to myself.  And put to practical use.

I do enjoy keeping up with science now and again just to see where their heads are at.  In my humble opinion they have a very long way to go.

BTW, I found it interesting that he used serotonin and it's relationship with depression.  A recent major peer reviewed study just came out that finds no link between serotonin and depression.  One day it's established science and the next day it's not.  How seriously should I be paying attention to these folks?

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

On 2nd thoughts, I would invite anyone who are reading to name or define an "absolute truth ".

Obviously the choice is free, but please keep it short ????

I'll start, "the absolute " which incidentally is one of the names of God .

I want to exaggerate, because outside is raining buckets..

"Everything changes" is for me another absolute truth. 

Constant motion.  I'll agree to that one.

Absolute freedom is another.

Many, many more.

[Tippaporn]

47 minutes ago, rumak said:

I am Dog .     Sometimes have difficulty "being one"  with other Dogs .     Dogs can be like that .

 

sniff,  sniff          whewwww !

I didn't mean any harm with my comment, understand.  Bur when I checked out you avatar 'rumak' what immediately came to mind was The Coneheads, who were from the planet Remulak.  And then I saw a spaceship included in your avatar.  I slammed my fist down on the table and said to myself, this dude is definitely not from planet Earth. 

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Constant motion.  I'll agree to that one.

Absolute freedom is another.

Many, many more.

Tbh, "absolute freedom " doesn't fully convince me.

.. but I'll give it some thought. 

 

Btw Seth's words have a striking similarity with some Steiner's dissertation. 

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Not sure I understand your non-believer label.  Non believer of what?  Or the relationship you make between someone who knows and belief or non belief.  Can you clarify that?

ZDoggMD's theory of reality seems to be alluding to the idea of everything possessing consciousness.  On that I would agree.  Everything is ultimately energy.  It's awarized energy.  There isn't anything that exists which is "dead."  It's all alive.  But that leads to a deeper discussion that I'm not going to get into here.

He also alludes to the concept of gestalt consciousness.  What's a gestalt?  That would be similar to our bodies.  Our bodies are composed of cells, organs, and such which are further composed of smaller units of consciousness; atoms and subatomic particles and beyond.  In other words, our bodies are are made up of innumerable consciousnesses.  As we are only a portion of our greater psyche.

He also questioned what effect evolutionary forces have on the tiniest units of consciousness.  Here he goes off in the weeds in my opinion.

The first line in the video's description reads:  "Why can't we explain how matter generates consciousness? Maybe because matter is just an icon that points to a deeper reality..."  Consciousness creates form.  Not the other way around.  Which concept makes for my major bone of contention with science's beginning of life theories.  It's totally backwards.  But of course that theory assumes that there is no reality other than the physical one.  A huge assumption which, if in error, completely destroys their theory.

Here's the way I look at it.  If Seth is legitimate, if he's truly an entity whose existence has traversed through ours and beyond, if he's truly in a position to thoroughly understand our reality in it's minute detail and communicate it without distortion, and in a way that attracts the interest of even scientists, then there's no need to search for other sources who are still at the stage of trying to figure it all out.  After 4+ decades pouring through his works on a daily basis I'm convinced he's legit.  His description of reality is not only sensical but I fail to see any holes in it.  On top of that much of what he talks about I can prove to myself.  And put to practical use.

I do enjoy keeping up with science now and again just to see where their heads are at.  In my humble opinion they have a very long way to go.

BTW, I found it interesting that he used serotonin and it's relationship with depression.  A recent major peer reviewed study just came out that finds no link between serotonin and depression.  One day it's established science and the next day it's not.  How seriously should I be paying attention to these folks?

Dr ZDogg is a dr, a real dr UCSF/Stanford trained internist

 

He refer to Dr Hoffmans theories, and to be true, this shoots far above my knownledge, and probably shoots above 94% of everyone’s capacity to understand. Im only among the 9% when it comes to logic and problems solving ????????

 

I refered to as a non believer, because you seem to state truth, and there is the main problems with believers, they state and present beliefs as facts. 

[Hummin]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Constant motion.  I'll agree to that one.

Absolute freedom is another.

Many, many more.

Absolute freedom? In what form? 
 

Constant motion is also a good one

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

The first one reminds me of "nothing new under the sun".

...which i consider a partial truth.

"Life travels space" is pretty good imho. 

What happens, though, when you run out of space???

I had an interesting, and vivid dream not long ago.  I found myself on the edge of the universe.  Seriously.  On one side I saw what you'd expect to see.  A typical view of blackness sprinkled with lights everywhere.  On the opposite side pure whiteness.  Nothing else.  It evoked in me the feeling of incomprehensible massiveness.  The universe without end was nothing compared to it.  It was to me infinity.

Though I was positioned on that side I was very apprehensive about going in.  And as I was looking back towards the known universe I was amazed to see orbs of all sizes coagulated on the edge of the universe.  As if they were planets being washed up upon a shore but couldn't couldn't get through whatever barrier separated the two regions.  So they just amassed.

Very picturesque to say the least.

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Absolute freedom? In what form? 
 

Constant motion is also a good one

Absolute freedom must exist if we create our own reality.  You cannot create your own reality without it.  The two are inextricably linked.  Absolute freedom is inherent in creation.  Not today but perhaps soon I'll discuss how freedom works.  New concepts such as probabilities will need to be introduced as probabilities are what allows freedom to function.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

What happens, though, when you run out of space???

I had an interesting, and vivid dream not long ago.  I found myself on the edge of the universe.  Seriously.  On one side I saw what you'd expect to see.  A typical view of blackness sprinkled with lights everywhere.  On the opposite side pure whiteness.  Nothing else.  It evoked in me the feeling of incomprehensible massiveness.  The universe without end was nothing compared to it.  It was to me infinity.

Though I was positioned on that side I was very apprehensive about going in.  And as I was looking back towards the known universe I was amazed to see orbs of all sizes coagulated on the edge of the universe.  As if they were planets being washed up upon a shore but couldn't couldn't get through whatever barrier separated the two regions.  So they just amassed.

Very picturesque to say the least.

Very good!

When I was a very young kid I had similar recurrent visions, in a state between wake and sleep. 

I think you are a lucky man, you've visited some great place in your dream.

[rumak]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

I didn't mean any harm with my comment, understand.  Bur when I checked out you avatar 'rumak' what immediately came to mind was The Coneheads, who were from the planet Remulak.  And then I saw a spaceship included in your avatar.  I slammed my fist down on the table and said to myself, this dude is definitely not from planet Earth. 

you can not harm that which can not be harmed.    I hope your fist is ok,,,,,,dude

[Tippaporn]

51 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Dr ZDogg is a dr, a real dr UCSF/Stanford trained internist

 

He refer to Dr Hoffmans theories, and to be true, this shoots far above my knownledge, and probably shoots above 94% of everyone’s capacity to understand. Im only among the 9% when it comes to logic and problems solving ????????

 

I refered to as a non believer, because you seem to state truth, and there is the main problems with believers, they state and present beliefs as facts. 

Another bone of contention I have with science is that it's almost as if they rule out the ability of common men and women to ascertain true reality.  In other words, if you're not a scientist you're barred from knowing.  I call major BS on that.  The truth of this reality is to be found everywhere, especially in the living of life.  The information has existed in the past, it exists in the present, and it will always exist in the future.

Someone had forwarded me the episode of Dr. ZDogg and Dr. Hoffman earlier this year.  I tried to get through it but to me they were way off the rails.  So I noticed the link to that episode in the video you just posted and started watching again, thinking I had never seen it.  Since this theory was developed by Dr. Hoffman I thought I'd may as well get it directly from the horse's mouth.  After a few minutes I realised it was the same I had watch, or tried to watch, earlier.

Thanks for clarifying what you meant by non believer.

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, rumak said:

you can not harm that which can not be harmed.    I hope your fist is ok,,,,,,dude

Thanks for the concern.  The fist is holding up well.

That which cannot be harmed.  Hmm.  Let me think a spell.

Krypton!!!  No sh!t?!?!?!?!  Superman?  Wow!!  Wait'll I tell my 9 y.o. daughter.  We just watched your movie, Man Of Steel (2013) yesterday.  She's never gonna believe her pops is conversing with Superman.  Damn, she's in the shower right now.  Can you hang here for just a few more minutes until she's done?  This is gonna be all over her school tomorrow!  You are one hansum dude, too.  How do get on with the Thai ladies here?

   

[mauGR1]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Another bone of contention I have with science is that it's almost as if they rule out the ability of common men and women to ascertain true reality.  In other words, if you're not a scientist you're barred from knowing.  I call major BS on that.  

Seconded. 

"You are not a scientist " has become a sort of mantra for some people that I can't define for respect of public decency and forum rules.