23 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

wow...the thread is still going! Unfortunately, it seems to be going backwards. 😆

New players, same old arguments. 

Indeed it is, which is why I don't bother any more. Can't be bothered repeating same things over and over.

On 8/27/2024 at 9:24 PM, ravip said:

Humans are the products of god - on behalf of this god people started killing each other. Even here, so much animosity for the people who reject this unknown object.

Humans have autonomy. Many use it to do evil things.

No animosity from me, as I don't care if people believe or not.

On 9/14/2024 at 8:19 PM, save the frogs said:

Where the God peeps at?

 

Ok, I will bring up an unconventional concept.

 

What is a MotherF***er? Why is that one of the most common swear words?

And the worst thing you can call someone.

 

The theory is that it comes from the Greek myth Oedipus Rex.

Which was WRONGLY interpreted as "men want to sleep with their mothers".

 

But what it actually is ... is that people have an innate desire to RETURN TO THE WOMB ... or return to whence they came from.

 

Deep, no?

 

So next time someone calls you a MotherF***er, take it as a compliment. 

 

 

People adopt swear words because someone they know used them, and it sounded right, even though most don't make sense. The worst thing you can call someone is actually human garbage. This means they are trash, worthless, refuse, to be thrown out and discarded, and this actually matches many people on earth now, many of whom are in charge of things.

On 8/28/2024 at 7:26 PM, Hummin said:

From one intellectual to another

 

 

 

Will I have him in the administration ? Oh dear he really has lost the plot.

34 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

Will I have him in the administration ? Oh dear he really has lost the plot.

Indeed

On 9/15/2024 at 1:19 AM, save the frogs said:

Where the God peeps at?

We don't bother any more because people say the same thing they've been saying for 650 pages and silly comments that have nothing to do with God are not worth replying to. Also because people deflect onto things that are nothing to do with God, like swear words.

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

We don't bother any more because people say the same thing they've been saying for 650 pages and silly comments that have nothing to do with God are not worth replying to. Also because people deflect onto things that are nothing to do with God, like swear words.

 

No, my post did have to do with God.

But it was too bizarre, so people didn't get the point.

Mother-effer = Subconscious desire to return to the womb or to return beyond the womb ie back to God

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

No, my post did have to do with God.

But it was too bizarre, so people didn't get the point.

Mother-effer = Subconscious desire to return to the womb or to return beyond the womb ie back to God

 

Definitely too obscure to get.

Who comes first? The Anticrist or Messiah? 
 

For those of you who are Christian’s, is this the end times? Or just another time with false prophecies? I have gotten phone calls, Jehovas on the door, and other evangelicals approaching me on the streets, and also my brother have turned to Jesus. I’m still confident, this is just SH, but people in general seems to be in doubts 

What are the signs of the 2nd coming of Jesus?

 

• The rise of false cults (Matthew 24:5)
• Many shall go to and fro (Daniel 12:4)
• The sign of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32)
• The increase in the number and diversity of earthquakes (Luke 21:11)
• Apostasy of the church (Revelation 3:16)
• The corruption of the world through lust. ... 
• The return of the days of Noah (Luke 17:26

Must be Easter week, revived from the dead.

 

19+k posts ... mind boggleing.

 

Me ... NO, I don't believe in invisible friends or gods.

 

 

 

Hello seekers of Truth.
Thought I would come here to have a look and see if there has been any movement in the past 2 years.
I'm not here to debate, but if anyone has a real question or issue, I'd be happy to help if I can.
Peace

Welcome back Sunmaster!

How are you doing ?

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Welcome back Sunmaster!

How are you doing ?

Hi Hummin

Doing well, thank you. How about you?
For me, lots has changed since the times I posted here. There seemed to be a big change in perspective, but there is no resting place....just another transition waiting to happen.

Yesterday my wife asked me if what is happening now (USA/Israel starting yet another war) is bad and if we will be affected.
I got an image in my head of a caterpillar struggling to exit its cocoon. Without that struggle its wings wouldn't be strong enough to allow it to fly. The cocoon is not bad, it's necessary. The conflict we're seeing is not good VS evil....it just is. It's the old VS the new. It's the chick breaking free from the shell. The shell gave life, protection, nourishment....but there comes a time when continuing to stay in the shell would mean certain death. The world is in labour, the birth is a difficult one, the baby will be beautiful.

I can see this, it's blatantly obvious to me...and yet, I get frustrated when I see how so many well-meaning people still hold on to the protective cocoon and would rather die with it than allow the new to emerge. Fear...that's what it's ultimately about. Fear and ignorance about our true identity.
On the other hand, I can't but be optimistic in the long term.

3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Hi Hummin

Doing well, thank you. How about you?
For me, lots has changed since the times I posted here. There seemed to be a big change in perspective, but there is no resting place....just another transition waiting to happen.

Yesterday my wife asked me if what is happening now (USA/Israel starting yet another war) is bad and if we will be affected.
I got an image in my head of a caterpillar struggling to exit its cocoon. Without that struggle its wings wouldn't be strong enough to allow it to fly. The cocoon is not bad, it's necessary. The conflict we're seeing is not good VS evil....it just is. It's the old VS the new. It's the chick breaking free from the shell. The shell gave life, protection, nourishment....but there comes a time when continuing to stay in the shell would mean certain death. The world is in labour, the birth is a difficult one, the baby will be beautiful.

I can see this, it's blatantly obvious to me...and yet, I get frustrated when I see how so many well-meaning people still hold on to the protective cocoon and would rather die with it than allow the new to emerge. Fear...that's what it's ultimately about. Fear and ignorance about our true identity.
On the other hand, I can't but be optimistic in the long term.

Everything here is good, a little bit adjustments in our plans, but nothing dramatic. For the better I hope. Will no longer move to Norway, we will stay here, and I will make a complete transition to Thailand not half half for now. This is the place I feel complete and at peace with myself, and so do my wife.

Im optimistic, this will blow over to for us, not for them, but for us, and being in Thailand right now feels absolutely right! Right time and right place, and hopefully it will continue to be a safe haven.

Enjoy your day.

Depends on the definition of God. According to the definition of one large denomination God is a communion wafer that has been blessed by an approved official of said denomination.

Members will bow down to this wafer, carry it round in procession and even spend time sitting and adoring it. These are all approved or compulsory doctrines of this denomination. Then of course they will eat the wafer convinced that it is "really, truly and substantially" (their words not mine) the body of Christ, and/or God and the Holy Spirit.

Difficult to believe, but believe is what they do.

23 minutes ago, saintdomingo said:

Depends on the definition of God. According to the definition of one large denomination God is a communion wafer that has been blessed by an approved official of said denomination.

Members will bow down to this wafer, carry it round in procession and even spend time sitting and adoring it. These are all approved or compulsory doctrines of this denomination. Then of course they will eat the wafer convinced that it is "really, truly and substantially" (their words not mine) the body of Christ, and/or God and the Holy Spirit.

Difficult to believe, but believe is what they do.

Plenty more examples of "religious stupidity" out there and I am looking for one which I cannot find at the moment, but this will do in the meantime.......

The interesting part is, we are on our way to become creators, creating intestines and designing life, and we can believe as a strong theory, life travels space!

So we could have been a design and sent out in the space with earth as an target. Dna can evolve in to anything by time and environment conditions. So if there is a designer or god, maybe there is, but not what you think

Making new kidneys – On the road from science fiction to science fact

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5442882/

On 3/1/2026 at 2:55 PM, saintdomingo said:

Depends on the definition of God. According to the definition of one large denomination God is a communion wafer that has been blessed by an approved official of said denomination.

Members will bow down to this wafer, carry it round in procession and even spend time sitting and adoring it. These are all approved or compulsory doctrines of this denomination. Then of course they will eat the wafer convinced that it is "really, truly and substantially" (their words not mine) the body of Christ, and/or God and the Holy Spirit.

Difficult to believe, but believe is what they do.

They also believe in the fairy story of Noahs Ark, so here's a couple of laughs about that.......

On 3/1/2026 at 2:55 PM, saintdomingo said:

Depends on the definition of God. According to the definition of one large denomination God is a communion wafer that has been blessed by an approved official of said denomination.

Members will bow down to this wafer, carry it round in procession and even spend time sitting and adoring it. These are all approved or compulsory doctrines of this denomination. Then of course they will eat the wafer convinced that it is "really, truly and substantially" (their words not mine) the body of Christ, and/or God and the Holy Spirit.

Difficult to believe, but believe is what they do.

Do you know the concept of metaphor? That concept and that ritual is just symbolic, a metaphor for something else. You look at the ritual alone and think it's ridiculous. Can you not see what the symbol stands for? The meaning behind it?

On 3/1/2026 at 2:55 PM, saintdomingo said:

Depends on the definition of God. According to the definition of one large denomination God is a communion wafer that has been blessed by an approved official of said denomination.

Members will bow down to this wafer, carry it round in procession and even spend time sitting and adoring it. These are all approved or compulsory doctrines of this denomination. Then of course they will eat the wafer convinced that it is "really, truly and substantially" (their words not mine) the body of Christ, and/or God and the Holy Spirit.

Difficult to believe, but believe is what they do.

As a child, my parents dragged me to church three times a week under great protest. But I do remember they always said the wafers/crackers REPRESENTED the body of Christ. It wasn't sold to us as Jesus-flavored Soylent Green. The grape juice to wash it down REPRESENTED the blood of Christ. Too bad you have to twist the story and omit words in order to get your point across.

I was too young to take part in communion, but liked to sneak down to the church basement and snack on the crackers and grape juice. I suppose you think I'm a cannibal.

On 4/10/2026 at 7:04 AM, Sunmaster said:

Do you know the concept of metaphor? That concept and that ritual is just symbolic, a metaphor for something else. You look at the ritual alone and think it's ridiculous. Can you not see what the symbol stands for? The meaning behind it?

I understand the idea of metaphor. But why the imagery of eating Christ’s body and drinking His blood?

It feels unsettling, almost inhumane... and frankly, quite disturbing, doesn’t it?

To be fair, here's both sides of the symbolism coin that I just found on google:

Varied Perspectives on "Representation"

• Real Presence (Catholic/Orthodox/Some Protestant): Many Christians believe the bread and wine become the literal body and blood of Christ (transubstantiation), or that Christ is truly present in, with, and under the elements.

• Symbolic (Protestant/Evangelical): Many Protestants view the bread and wine as symbols representing Christ's sacrifice, used to stir remembrance and strengthen faith.

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Ultimately, the act connects the physical act of eating and drinking with a spiritual union with God.

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Either way, it was Jesus' idea from the beginning:

Christians use bread and wine to represent the body and blood of Christ because Jesus established this during the Last Supper to symbolize his sacrificial death. He commanded believers to partake in this act in memory of him, with bread signifying his body given and wine his blood shed for the forgiveness of sins.

On 4/10/2026 at 8:34 AM, Sunmaster said:

Do you know the concept of metaphor? That concept and that ritual is just symbolic, a metaphor for something else. You look at the ritual alone and think it's ridiculous. Can you not see what the symbol stands for? The meaning behind it?

It is NOT a metaphor, the teaching of the RC Church is that the consecrated wafer is (their words) "really, truly and substantially the Body of Christ". That means literally.

The process is known as transubstantiation. Most RCs are proud of this.

8 minutes ago, saintdomingo said:

It is NOT a metaphor, the teaching of the RC Church is that the consecrated wafer is (their words) "really, truly and substantially the Body of Christ". That means literally.

The process is known as transubstantiation. Most RCs are proud of this.

Religion is full of symbolic acts, and that is exactly why it works so well. It binds people together, keeps their thoughts in the same frame, and through repetition makes it feel normal, natural, and familiar. Rituals build discipline, memory, and belonging. So this is not only about what people say they literally believe, but also about what repeated symbolic acts do to the mind and to the group.

And really, we all do the same thing in life. Religion, sport, family, society, culture, same mechanism in different clothes. We lean on symbols, habits, and rituals because they create order, reduce chaos, and help us function. It is not only belief. It is also survival.

For Christ’s sake, if I did not have my own way of doing things, I would not have survived long in Isaan. And that goes for anywhere in Thailand really. We are all doing it one way or another.

I think you missed my point hummin, I was not talking about a symbolic act. The RC Church teaches that in the mass the wafer has become literally the Body of Christ.

Don't make sense to me but they get quite shirty if you argue about it.

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Religion is full of symbolic acts, and that is exactly why it works so well. It binds people together, keeps their thoughts in the same frame, and through repetition makes it feel normal, natural, and familiar. Rituals build discipline, memory, and belonging. So this is not only about what people say they literally believe, but also about what repeated symbolic acts do to the mind and to the group.

And really, we all do the same thing in life. Religion, sport, family, society, culture, same mechanism in different clothes. We lean on symbols, habits, and rituals because they create order, reduce chaos, and help us function. It is not only belief. It is also survival.

For Christ’s sake, if I did not have my own way of doing things, I would not have survived long in Isaan. And that goes for anywhere in Thailand really. We are all doing it one way or another.

Religion is like sport and politics. Stupid people believe their side or their god is the best. Their is no god and their are no good political parties and sport is about money and tv rights now.

21 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Religion is like sport and politics. Stupid people believe their side or their god is the best. Their is no god and their are no good political parties and sport is about money and tv rights now.

Call it tribalism if you want, but we all belong to some tribe, whether we admit it or not. And tied into that is the need for some kind of belief system as well, something that gives meaning, direction, order, and a sense of place. It runs deep in human nature.

You can try to step outside it, but you will never fully escape it. It is part of how humans think, bond, survive, and make sense of life.

And this is where many who despise socialism fool themselves. Even inside capitalism, no one survives without some form of shared structure, support, and collective responsibility. Roads, schools, health systems, law, infrastructure, security, public order, all of it depends on people carrying something together.

That is the difficult part. The ones who loudly claim they do not belong to any tribe, and reject anything that smells of socialism, are often the least honest about how dependent they really are on society and on the collective around them. Nobody is truly self-made, and nobody stands fully alone.

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Call it tribalism if you want, but we all belong to some tribe, whether we admit it or not. And tied into that is the need for some kind of belief system as well, something that gives meaning, direction, order, and a sense of place. It runs deep in human nature.

You can try to step outside it, but you will never fully escape it. It is part of how humans think, bond, survive, and make sense of life.

And this is where many who despise socialism fool themselves. Even inside capitalism, no one survives without some form of shared structure, support, and collective responsibility. Roads, schools, health systems, law, infrastructure, security, public order, all of it depends on people carrying something together.

That is the difficult part. The ones who loudly claim they do not belong to any tribe, and reject anything that smells of socialism, are often the least honest about how dependent they really are on society and on the collective around them. Nobody is truly self-made, and nobody stands fully alone.

Give that speech to Trump to read out. Well written with lots of feel good moments. Your talent is being wasted.

On 3/5/2026 at 5:21 PM, xylophone said:

They also believe in the fairy story of Noahs Ark, so here's a couple of laughs about that.......

The folks who wrote the Bible plagiarized a lot of stuff.

There were previous civilizations that had "flood myths".

It's mythology, it's symbolic. It's not historical fact.

You would need to study the verses carefully to interpret the symbolism.

But a flood can symbolize .... washing away a corrupt way of life to a more advanced way of existing ... etc ... use your imagination.

Water cleanses, floods wash away the old.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

The folks who wrote the Bible plagiarized a lot of stuff.

There were previous civilizations that had "flood myths".

It's mythology, it's symbolic. It's not historical fact.

You would need to study the verses carefully to interpret the symbolism.

But a flood can symbolize .... washing away a corrupt way of life to a more advanced way of existing ... etc ... use your imagination.

Water cleanses, floods wash away the old.

The problem is that a lot of the religious nutters, including those within Trump's inner circle, are TRUE believers in this nonsense, whether it is symbolic or not, so whatever spin you or others want to put on it, it is still fairytale nonsense stuff which some of these idiots really believe to be true.