Do you believe in God and why

[ivor bigun]

It has fasinated me for years that people can believe in god and that Jesus was born to his virgin mother .

When you realize that there are so many billions of planets across hundreds of billions of light years.

It must be great to believe in a God and that one day you will be reunited with your loved ones a lady once said to me that she knows she will meet Jesus when she dies,i thought gosh he must be busy sitting down with the billions of people who die.

Do you really believe in him or any of the other Gods ?

 

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[faraday]

Yup.

[CharlieH]

No offence to those that do,  but for me, its just  "an invisible friend for adults".

[quandow]

I believe life had some sort of intelligent design, and as I've pulled human remains out of a submerged plane crash and observed the lack of life, there is something about humans having a soul. It's even been weighed. As much as the method used to weigh the soul was sloppy science, I think the bible is sloppy narrative. Jesus was a short dark guy, not the European with flowing brown hair currently selling His book. It's been rewritten so many times with so many inconsistencies that it's difficult to fathom anyone taking it 100% seriously. There ARE many good parables, the lessons are good standards to apply to your walk through life. Do I believe we were created? Yes. Do I believe in the Judeo-Christian interpretation of God? No.

[White Christmas13]

10 minutes ago, quandow said:

I believe life had some sort of intelligent design, and as I've pulled human remains out of a submerged plane crash and observed the lack of life, there is something about humans having a soul. It's even been weighed. As much as the method used to weigh the soul was sloppy science, I think the bible is sloppy narrative. Jesus was a short dark guy, not the European with flowing brown hair currently selling His book. It's been rewritten so many times with so many inconsistencies that it's difficult to fathom anyone taking it 100% seriously. There ARE many good parables, the lessons are good standards to apply to your walk through life. Do I believe we were created? Yes. Do I believe in the Judeo-Christian interpretation of God? No.

who the hell is god anybody met him I guess not

[marcusarelus]

Harvey the rabbit and Bokononism because a drunk in a bar in New Orleans a long time ago told me to.  

Edited April 14, 2019 by marcusarelus

[Dumbastheycome]

Because  you add  your apparent christian based  indoctrination re' Jesus and Virgin mothers in the  question  it is  not so easy  to  answer because it personifies  the  concept of god.

My personal perception of  God is  the  fact of  Existence as  we  experience it. 

So in that sense  alone I believe in God.

Religious  humbug and scientific attempts in explanation of remain insufficient to my understanding of apparent  physical reality based  in "somewhere."

So  yes I believe in God in terms  of  existence as  we live it. 

 

 

 

[Odysseus123]

But of course there are many peoples (in fact all cultures) who have believed in God or the gods,,,

 

Dis Manibus..

 

"To the gods of the shades.." you see this on all Roman tombstones.often abbreviated to 'DM'

 

And if you have a mind for Homer..

 

"Then from out of Erebus they flocked to me....

As Achilles called out."Would I was alive and a mere menial to pinch and scrape...life was so much then  better to be king of kings amongst these men who have had their day and died."

 

The men who crawled their way 200 feet underground in the Lasceaux and Altamira caves to produce their wonderful art were not joining in a Tupperware party

Edited April 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[quandow]

THIS explains modern religion:

 

[55Jay]

No.  In its extremes, a controlling, financially motivated cult.

 

Very odd that just this moment, finished watching a 6-part series on Netflix called Wild Wild Country, following the rise and fall of Bhagwan Rajneesh and his followers, who literally took over a remote town in central Oregon, USA.   Interesting, well made docu, demonstrating how an otherwise benign "good" idea can go off the rails.

 

 

[CharlieH]

Can we not appear to "mock" others religion please. 

 

 

[villagefarang]

Hellllll No????

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, villagefarang said:

Hellllll No????

Sad..really..

Edited April 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[tifino]

leave it for the professionals to do it appropriately:

 (monty python)

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Sad..really.

That's my view of religion.  Sad.  Really.  I have a daughter who is raising her son to believe in that nonsense.  I never raised her that way.  I don't know what her husband has done to her. 

[Odysseus123]

3 minutes ago, villagefarang said:

Hellllll No????

I enjoy your photographs..and quite looked forward to discussing 'panentheism' as a way of viewing the world....all cameras being-by their very nature-pantheistic or panentheistic in their "framing" of the world.

 

But,alas,you probably don't read Homer either.

[FolkGuitar]

I once heard the voice of God.  It said "Vrrrrmmmmm."  Unless it
was just a lawn mower.

 

[baboon]

Not a believer myself, but good luck to those who derive comfort and succour from their religion - Providing they are not ramming it down my throat, that is.

 

Good idea for what could be a fascinating thread, by the way.

[mauGR1]

We can't understand the concept of infinite, we can't understand lots of other things.

I think it's logical to think there are superior beings, and an intelligent design.

You don't throw around randomly screws and bolts and metal planks to build an airplane, right ?

People who mock God, mock something they don't understand.

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

Not a believer myself, but good luck to those who derive comfort and succour from their religion - Providing they are not ramming it down my throat, that is.

 

Good idea for what could be a fascinating thread, by the way.

How about those who deny medical treatment to their children in the name of god?  How about those who stone women in the name of god?  How about those who commit mass suicide in the name of god?  Is that OK?

[Odysseus123]

14 minutes ago, baboon said:

Not a believer myself, but good luck to those who derive comfort and succour from their religion - Providing they are not ramming it down my throat, that is.

 

Good idea for what could be a fascinating thread, by the way.

I don't think it will be a fascinating thread..just the usual..

 

Back to reading Yugal Noah Harari or Jared Diamond for that.

 

Peter Watson is very good too-but a synthesist...;'Ideas: A History of Thought From Fire to Freud'

Edited April 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[marcusarelus]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

We can't understand the concept of infinite, we can't understand lots of other things.

I think it's logical to think there are superior beings, and an intelligent design.

You don't throw around randomly screws and bolts and metal planks to build an airplane, right ?

People who mock God, mock something they don't understand.

I'm way beyond mocking.  I think is wrong, immoral, harmful and hurtful and responsible for millions of deaths pain and suffering. 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

I'm way beyond mocking.  I think is wrong, immoral, harmful and hurtful and responsible for millions of deaths pain and suffering. 

That's because your education on the subject is severely lacking.

Try watching nature, it will give you answers.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

I don't think it will be a fascinating thread..just the usual..

 

Back to reading Yugal Noah Harari or Jared Diamond for that.

I just finished "Sapiens" by Y.N. Harari, what a great reading !!

[reenatinnakor]

Every culture have their own beliefs and comfort system and superstitions. We all know here in Thailand monks are revered and Thais think they can grant wishes... Which as we all know is bullshit, as I keep telling the gf, if monks really could grant wishes then there'll be no poor people in thailand. For the west the idea of jesus and god is our comfort system. For the chinese it's the idea of bai san, or respecting the dead.

I'm atheist and only believe in science but I do respect others superstitions and beliefs as long as they respect mine to not believe! Off course at the end of the day there is definitely no God like there was no Zeus, or Thor, or Posseidon. Man just hasn't had enough time to prove it yet. Last week we were finally able to see what a black hole looks like. One day we will be able to prove there's no God despite the fact that the burden of proof should be on those that believe there is a God.

[marcusarelus]

14 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's because your education on the subject is severely lacking.

Try watching nature, it will give you answers.

I watched the nature of the priests when I was in the seminary and it was not nice.  I find it impossible to believe anyone with a formal education can really believe in a god.  My Irish almost illiterate mother and her mother I can understand.  They sent me to school and were surprised when I returned not believing anything they ever told me again.    

Edited April 14, 2019 by marcusarelus

[Odysseus123]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I just finished "Sapiens" by Y.N. Harari, what a great reading !!

Damn right!

 

You must be a very odd fish in Thailand.????

Edited April 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[hiwave]

[DaRoadrunner]

We are the highest form of intelligent life on the planet, yet we did not create everything we see around us, so who did? There has to be a creator. Take a look at the human genome, it’s too complex to have just happened by accident.

 

Having said that, I look at life and consider that perhaps God has a sick sense of humour…. as do many who post here!

 

Guru Rajneesh said... "Life is a lemon, squeeze the whole juice."… Not bad advice that.

 

(Looking at some people’s behavior, - I use the words “intelligent life” with considerable reservation!)

Edited April 14, 2019 by DaRoadrunner

[marcusarelus]

6 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Even with irrefutable proof there would still be believers - humans have always had the 'need' for a higher being 

 

Voltaire once said "If there were no god, it would be necessary to invent him"

 

After all it is surely bizarre that despite an array of gods, I'm not aware of a country that doesn't have an 'official' one. The various stories can't all be correct!

Russia and China to start with.