Do you believe in God and why

[Tippaporn]

16 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Duality....all that which comes from the non-dual, everything you can sense with your outer and inner senses. On one hand the non-dual is beyond the dual, but at the same time it is the very ground from which the dual arises.
The symbol of the TAO depicts exactly that. The duality is movement, change, opposites, no end, no beginning, the cosmic dance. Both form a circle, which represents non-duality. 

 
Maybe Seth meant that purpose can be found in the world of being (creation/becoming/transformation/action/duality), and that it can not be found in "not being" (non-duality). 
If that's the case, I guess I agree with him. ????

 

Exactly....everything has a purpose. Everything you can name, imagine or dream of has a purpose. But what about what is beyond that? That which has no form, no time, no space, that which is beyond all comprehension. This is what I'm referring to when I say no purpose. 
We like to assume that our system (our world/the material) has a purpose, but then we automatically deduce that a bigger system which includes our smaller system, must also have purpose. This is debatable however. 

What I'm saying is: purpose is a product of duality and the never ending action of the yin/yang. The Tao incorporates the yin/yang, but is itself immovable and has no purpose. 

 

 

Yes, this idea is possible. But then it's the students interpretation that is faulty, not the teaching. Besides, the same happens in most other religions. 

 

 

Isn't this what I said?

A goal with an end = time; progression = change/action = duality

towards a nothingness = non-duality

 

 

Yes, I agree. When you speak about growth, you speak about duality....the yin and the yang. To the TAO, speaking of growth is meaningless. The TAO simply IS.

 

I can understand (I think) the concept of duality and non-duality but as I'm still not entirely clear I'll decline to opine on it.

"Maybe Seth meant that purpose can be found in the world of being (creation/becoming/transformation/action/duality), and that it can not be found in "not being" (non-duality)."

As far as I'm aware non-being is impossible.  So the definition of non-duality as not-being is utterly confusing to me.  I always be one thing or another but I cannot not-be.  That would be to literally disappear and that, to my knowledge, is an impossibility.

". . . towards a nothingness = non-duality"

The idea of "nothingness" is also quite puzzling to me and I don't believe a state of nothingness is possible.  Unless "nothingness" means something other than the straightforward definition of the word.  But if it does mean something else then why not use a more fitting word to describe the concept?



Sure there is!!  Video games!!    Just kidding but I can't say I agree with the statement.  It implies a singular purpose to life.  Logic follows that all other endeavours then must be considered meaningless.  I lean towards multi-purpose.  I believe there are multiples upon multiple purposes in certainly this life.

Perhaps the primary reason I never delved into eastern religion or philosophy is due to the all of the various concepts which have always struck me as vague and nebulous . . . duality and non-duality, yinyang, disambiguation, dynamism, continual change, mutual adjustment, flow of the Universe, karma, dharma, Ṛta, etc.  Browsing through some literature I would ask myself, can anyone explain life in plain English, please? 

I know that all religions and philosophies have value within them, and more than enough nuggets of wisdom, but hey, I'm just looking for a new job, a long term mate, and a new house.  How do I bring these into my experience? 

 

Jane was raised Catholic and the idea was floated to compare and contrast the information Seth was giving with Christian theology and the Bible for there were certainly parallels.  But she decided against it.  Knowledge and the answers to all of our questions are available now.  They have been available at all points in history and they will continue to be available in the eternal future.  After all, that knowledge and those answers are always within us.

My interest very early on was to find something which would explain things to me in common, simple English without any special terminology or concepts or complex systems or mystical and cryptic vagarity.  My most important criteria was that the information was to be practical.

Taiji or tai chi (simplified Chinese: 太极; traditional Chinese: 太極; pinyin: tàijí; lit. 'great pole') is a Chinese cosmological term for the "Supreme Ultimate" state of undifferentiated absolute and infinite potential, the oneness before duality, from which yin and yang originate. It can be compared with the old wuji (無極, "without pole"). In the cosmology pertaining to yin and yang, the material energy which this universe was created from is known as qi. It is believed that the organization of qi in this cosmology of yin and yang has formed many things.^[5] Included among these forms are humans.

How does this get me a job?  Or a lover? 

 

I outright reject the notion that yin and yang formed humans, though.

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

it's not just that it's "not entirely satisfying". it's that I have no clue what it means. 

what's a probable self? are you sure that actually means anything?

 

it seems like you and i are trapped in an infinite loop, like hamsters on a wheel.

you give me quotes that mean nothing to me. 

and then we go round and round. 

and still ... i am dazed and confused.

 

 

Someone pass this dude a joint!!

I just caught your edit, save the frogs.  You certainly are gifted with discerning musical taste.    You should frequent this thread:
 

 

In the past I've dominated this thread but not so much lately.  Haven't seen you on it lately, @mauGR1.  You had some excellent contributions, I recall very well.

BTW, don't bother posting this gem on there.  I already ripped it and posted it there. 

When I depart from this world I am going to every single concert I missed whilst alive.  Smoke dope, drink alcohol, maybe do a few 'shrooms, engage in some wild sex, and never-ending rock 'n' roll.   

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

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@Tippaporn

A while back I asked you to give some practical examples of the Seth teachings. Things we can use right now to make our lives better. Things that won't leave us dazed and confused. ????
Got any succulent bites?

Since you did ask I'll give you an excellent suggestion.  One that has worked well for me.  Here's the back story . . .

Back in mid summer of '01 I was single, had my own house, and was working tons of overtime making decent money.  Yet I felt empty.  My life was pretty much nothing more than a routine, like a broken record, and I tried to put my finger on what that empty feeling was all about.  I was quick to identify it.  "There's no excitement in my life," is what I exclaimed as the revelation hit me.

Now I've been with Seth for a long, long time, as well as another channeler, still active BTW and on YT, who call themselves Abraham.  I had more than enough of a basic understanding of "you create your own reality" and how it worked in detail.  So I got out a blank notebook and wrote a heading on the first page:

If I  Could Have It Any Way I Wanted It What Would It Be Like?

The idea was taken from Abraham, which they call scripting.  In other words, since we're the ones who script every detail of our lives, granted unconsciously most of the time, then why not write the script the way you want it to read?  Deliberately.  With full consciousness.  And so I would spend time each day writing down my exciting life to be.  Now I will note importantly that there is great benefit to actually putting pen to paper as it keeps you focused.  Doing it mentally is not a good way to go because your mind tends to wander.  Doing it mentally you will begin entertaining thoughts and before you know it the process of associative thought kicks in and you'll find yourself meandering way off track.

 

Pen and paper keep you focused and as it's time consuming it allows you the time to experience the actual feeling which your thoughts and imagination naturally generate.  As you are aware, Sunmaster, feelings are produced by thoughts.  Not the other way around as most believe.  And the feeling is what's most important.  Because it is the feeling that acts as the propulsion mechanism that transforms subjective thought into physical form . . . either as an object or an event.

So I wrote daily and it was an extremely enjoyable exercise.  But mind you that it can only be enjoyable if you can believe that your musings can indeed be fulfilled.  Without that belief the exercise becomes sheer torture.  To imagine life as you would have it be whilst simultaneously having a firm belief that you cannot have what you want can be excruciatingly painful.  Which is a prime reason people do not dwell on their desires.  They've had much too much experience of having their desires denied and so to think of them does create mental anguish.  Spare yourself the misery and do not focus on what you want.  Just joking. 

Now I had always enjoyed woodworking, though I had never done much of it.  I also had a full unfinished basement.  So I planned to immerse myself into it.  I bought numerous books.  I bought a brand new computer to work out my designs.  And I began to investigate woodworking tools and machinery.  My new exciting path was being set and I was focused.
 

Lo and behold a mere 2-1/2 months since my revelation and my writings began I was called into my boss' office in early October of '01.  They wanted to ship me out to Thailand for half a month on a job.  Now there's a lot of detail surrounding all of this which I could relate but I will keep this as short as possible.  I landed in Thailand for the first time in the wee wee hours of Nov. 2nd, 2001.  And everything changed in an instant.  I was mesmerised.  I felt an intensity of excitement such that I've never felt before or after.  On my very first full day in country it was undeniably clear that Thailand was where I was to be.  Again, I'll cut this short and not get into all of the wonderful small details.

I returned back stateside towards the end of the month.  My excitement had no subsided in the least and I eagerly sat back down at my kitchen table and wrote and wrote and wrote.  10 months later my company shipped me back on a permanent transfer.  I was in like Flint.  (BTW, going on 23 years later my excitement is still very strong.  I doubt it will ever diminish.)

It wasn't all quite smooth sailing, though.  Upon my return I immediately called the managing director of the Thai operation, whom I knew from Ireland, and requested a transfer.  The Thai facility was already slated to move to China.  He told me he'd have no problem getting me in there.  I did want to move to a communist country and I couldn't see any comparison with Thailand.  Thailand was the only option I would settle for.  I declined and made a backup plan.

 

In June of '02 we had received a number of new and very large projects simultaneously and China was not up to capacity.  Then one day in August I received an email from the Thai managing director asking me if I was still interested in transferring.  Now how strange of a coincidence is that?  Of course I don't believe in coincidences.  Or luck.  Or chance.  I am, though, quite convinced that I create my own reality and that the "universe" arranges each and every detail required to manifest my desires.  In short, there are literally no impediments for your source self.

The interim period between my return stateside and my permanent move 10 months later I continued to write.  Even though most of that time I had no earthly idea how I was going to get back in great detail I was convinced the entire time that this was a done deal.  There was no stopping it.  The only power in all of the universe and beyond that could stop it was . . . me.  And I was very conscious about not shooting myself in the foot.  All I had to do was to maintain my focus.  So my writing resumed but now I began to write about how I wanted my life in Thailand to be.  I jotted down perhaps a page and of half of expectations.  About 80% of what I wrote eventually transpired.

So there's my personal example of how life developed after I first began jotting down what my life would be if I could have it any way I wanted it.  So that is my suggestion to you, Sunmaster.  (And to anyone else courageous enough to overcome their doubts and attempt the same.)  Script your life the way you would like it to be.  You're doing it anyway, for Christ's sake.  You may as well do it consciously.  You have no trouble with your parking lot angel.    Big or small matters not.  As Abraham is fond of saying, "It's as easy to create a castle as it is to create a button."

The only thing to know is that thought, feeling, expectation, and imagination must be flowing in the same direction.  Only you can throw a monkey wrench into the works by mucking it all up with thoughts, feelings, expectations and imaginings which are counter to what you want.  Just don't shoot yourself in the foot, is all.  Otherwise, if you can keep the various energies all flowing in the same direction consider it a done deal.  Take it to the bank.  Physical reality must . . . must mirror your thoughts.  That is how it works and reality can not do other.

Now I would wish you "good luck" but since there is no such thing then I'll just say "have fun at it, boy."   

[Tippaporn]

A word of CAUTION, Sunmaster.  There are do's and there are don'ts.  Do the above.  DO NOT entertain ideas about how fulfilling whatever desire you have is possible.  As soon as you do that you f'd yourself.  DO NOT try and figure out the how of it.  That's not your job.  Your job, your only job, is to captain your ship.  Your shipmates, who are secretly the "universe" in disguise, will do all of the dirty work per your command.

And one other word of ADVICE:  Life is supposed to be fun.  It's supposed to be effortless.  It's supposed to be thrilling.  It's supposed to be satisfying.  It's supposed to be fulfilling.  As you write paste this on yer forehead:  THIS IS FUN.

[Tippaporn]

Now that I've related my Cinderella fairy tale (see above) I do not wish this wonderful tale to be envied.  What for?  For each and every poster on this thread has their own Cinderella stories (yes, plural) to tell.  No one alive on earth is without their own tales of dreams come true, large or small.  And so for the rest of you posters, to prove it to yourselves that all of you have indeed created similar experiences in your lives . . .

 

All That Is now trumpets, "Let the storytelling begin!!"

 

Okay, I'm being a bit over the top with the melodrama. 

@Hummin @mauGR1 @save the frogs @Red Phoenix @Sunmaster

 

Did I miss anyone?  I believe that's the extent of the current regular posters here.

Don't be bashful.  Be bold.

Who here is supremely happily married, perhaps to a poor Isaan girl from some dusty Isaan village but worth all the tea in China?  How did that come about?  Can you recall all of the seeming coincidences that brought the two of you together?  A chance meeting?  An impulse to be somewhere at the right time?  Tell the story.

Who here has found their way to the Land of Smiles, as I did, and felt blessed?  How did it happen?  What events were created which paved the way.  What personal inclinations do you have that made Thailand a perfect fit?  (Mine was the love for freedom, but that was only one of my personal propensities which Thailand satisfied.)  Can you recall odd or seemingly Providential events which happened and which played a role in bringing you here?  Tell the story.

 

Who here has landed a job which they've desired?  Who here has had phenomenal business success?  Who here has ever received a windfall?  Who here has ever avoided a disaster?  Who here has experienced a disaster only to see the silver lining in the cloud upon reflection and come to appreciate the disaster as leading you to a better place?

Just a few examples but the examples of experiences are endless.  My list of "dreams" come true is a long one.  Surely not all of them are life altering events, such as Thailand was and is.  Large or small is irrelevant.  All issues are the same issue in that the process is identical.  The point of this exercise is to recognise the process.

Everyone here has more than a single story to tell which holds the evidence that you create your own reality and shows you indubitably how life works.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Now that I've related my Cinderella fairy tale (see above) I do not wish this wonderful tale to be envied.  What for?  For each and every poster on this thread has their own Cinderella stories (yes, plural) to tell.  No one alive on earth is without their own tales of dreams come true, large or small.  And so for the rest of you posters, to prove it to yourselves that all of you have indeed created similar experiences in your lives . . .

 

All That Is now trumpets, "Let the storytelling begin!!"

 

Okay, I'm being a bit over the top with the melodrama. 

@Hummin @mauGR1 @save the frogs @Red Phoenix @Sunmaster

 

Did I miss anyone?  I believe that's the extent of the current regular posters here.

Don't be bashful.  Be bold.

Who here is supremely happily married, perhaps to a poor Isaan girl from some dusty Isaan village but worth all the tea in China?  How did that come about?  Can you recall all of the seeming coincidences that brought the two of you together?  A chance meeting?  An impulse to be somewhere at the right time?  Tell the story.

Who here has found their way to the Land of Smiles, as I did, and felt blessed?  How did it happen?  What events were created which paved the way.  What personal inclinations do you have that made Thailand a perfect fit?  (Mine was the love for freedom, but that was only one of my personal propensities which Thailand satisfied.)  Can you recall odd or seemingly Providential events which happened and which played a role in bringing you here?  Tell the story.

 

Who here has landed a job which they've desired?  Who here has had phenomenal business success?  Who here has ever received a windfall?  Who here has ever avoided a disaster?  Who here has experienced a disaster only to see the silver lining in the cloud upon reflection and come to appreciate the disaster as leading you to a better place?

Just a few examples but the examples of experiences are endless.  My list of "dreams" come true is a long one.  Surely not all of them are life altering events, such as Thailand was and is.  Large or small is irrelevant.  All issues are the same issue in that the process is identical.  The point of this exercise is to recognise the process.

Everyone here has more than a single story to tell which holds the evidence that you create your own reality and shows you indubitably how life works.

Excellent posts Tippaporn, and will come back to you later. Right now out doing what I love most in life, close to nature. 

 

Short answer, I have been poor, and I have been rich, had reached my goals successfully and also failed big time, vut at time being feeling rich, rich of life, because I found what I have been searching for after travelling the world for decades.

 

I have a gift that takes me high over the top, and deep as the deepest existing hole, but it have made me creative, and not wasting any time, especially from now and out .

 

I think Im both gifted and lucky, because my failures was my own, even I could had blaimed others. 

 

A few more days in paradise and I will read back to you.

[Sunmaster]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Taiji or tai chi (simplified Chinese: 太极; traditional Chinese: 太極; pinyin: tàijí; lit. 'great pole') is a Chinese cosmological term for the "Supreme Ultimate" state of undifferentiated absolute and infinite potential, the oneness before duality, from which yin and yang originate. It can be compared with the old wuji (無極, "without pole"). In the cosmology pertaining to yin and yang, the material energy which this universe was created from is known as qi. It is believed that the organization of qi in this cosmology of yin and yang has formed many things.^[5] Included among these forms are humans.

How does this get me a job?  Or a lover? 

 

I outright reject the notion that yin and yang formed humans, though.

Yes, this makes sense to me. Not sure how that would help you with a job or lover though. ????

 

Why would you reject the idea that everything in existence is a product of an interaction between two polarities? Do you think that conflicts with Seth's teachings? 

Maybe you remember what I said about my experience with the kundalini energy. I always used this metaphor: Normal, day-to-day consciousness is like walking in total darkness, with only the help of a small candle to light up the path before you. The light is just enough to illuminate a few steps in front of you. The experience of the Kundalini, or in other words, the expanded consciousness, was like a light switch was turned on. The light of a million suns illuminated everything and showed me a 360deg landscape as far as they eye could see. 
To use the puzzle analogy, it was like I was shown what the final puzzle looks like once finished. Even though it was a temporary thing, it still made it a lot easier afterwards to choose the right pieces and made it easier to put them together correctly. It also allowed me to understand difficult philosophical and spiritual concepts that would have been too cryptic for me before. 
Shortly after I remember discovering the amazing books of Ken Wilber, who tried to formulate a theory of everything. I was completely fascinated and wanted to share my discovery with my friends. They all returned the books after a couple of days. Not one of them could follow what Wilber was saying.
This may all sound very self aggrandizing, but it's the truth. I can't tell it differently.

 

 

The practical way to use Seth's teachings you mention is a very good one. I used and still use it as well. ????

 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Excellent posts Tippaporn, and will come back to you later. Right now out doing what I love most in life, close to nature. 

 

Short answer, I have been poor, and I have been rich, had reached my goals successfully and also failed big time, vut at time being feeling rich, rich of life, because I found what I have been searching for after travelling the world for decades.

 

I have a gift that takes me high over the top, and deep as the deepest existing hole, but it have made me creative, and not wasting any time, especially from now and out .

 

I think Im both gifted and lucky, because my failures was my own, even I could had blaimed others. 

 

A few more days in paradise and I will read back to you.

Thanks for that, Hummin.  Much appreciated.

By the way, how did you like the finbiff recipe? 

[save the frogs]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Someone pass this dude a joint!!

I just caught your edit, save the frogs.  You certainly are gifted with discerning musical taste.    You should frequent this thread:

I didn't post that song in the music thread.

I'm not advocating that music. 

It's crap.

By his own admission, Jimmy Page said there are evil sounds he makes with his guitar that shouldn't be in music. 

I've also been vocal about being anti-drugs on the forum.

The world is heading in the wrong direction with every drug being legalized and normalized.

[save the frogs]

sorry guys, i don't have the time to keep up with the lengthy posts in this thread. 

so i'm out.

i simply don't have time to read all this and respond. 

sorry.

 

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Now that I've related my Cinderella fairy tale (see above) I do not wish this wonderful tale to be envied.  What for?  For each and every poster on this thread has their own Cinderella stories (yes, plural) to tell.  No one alive on earth is without their own tales of dreams come true, large or small.  And so for the rest of you posters, to prove it to yourselves that all of you have indeed created similar experiences in your lives . . .

 

All That Is now trumpets, "Let the storytelling begin!!"

 

Okay, I'm being a bit over the top with the melodrama. 

@Hummin @mauGR1 @save the frogs @Red Phoenix @Sunmaster

 

Did I miss anyone?  I believe that's the extent of the current regular posters here.

Don't be bashful.  Be bold.

Who here is supremely happily married, perhaps to a poor Isaan girl from some dusty Isaan village but worth all the tea in China?  How did that come about?  Can you recall all of the seeming coincidences that brought the two of you together?  A chance meeting?  An impulse to be somewhere at the right time?  Tell the story.

Who here has found their way to the Land of Smiles, as I did, and felt blessed?  How did it happen?  What events were created which paved the way.  What personal inclinations do you have that made Thailand a perfect fit?  (Mine was the love for freedom, but that was only one of my personal propensities which Thailand satisfied.)  Can you recall odd or seemingly Providential events which happened and which played a role in bringing you here?  Tell the story.

 

Who here has landed a job which they've desired?  Who here has had phenomenal business success?  Who here has ever received a windfall?  Who here has ever avoided a disaster?  Who here has experienced a disaster only to see the silver lining in the cloud upon reflection and come to appreciate the disaster as leading you to a better place?

Just a few examples but the examples of experiences are endless.  My list of "dreams" come true is a long one.  Surely not all of them are life altering events, such as Thailand was and is.  Large or small is irrelevant.  All issues are the same issue in that the process is identical.  The point of this exercise is to recognise the process.

Everyone here has more than a single story to tell which holds the evidence that you create your own reality and shows you indubitably how life works.

Thailand....
I used to live in London for 5 years, doing a poorly paid job and just came out of a very difficult and abusive relationship. I was ready for a drastic change. A friend called me from Thailand where he recently moved to with his girlfriend to teach English. He helped me to find a teaching job and a place to stay. It was just perfect and everything seemed so easy and smooth. I packed my stuff and shipped it to my hometown in Italy. After just a month I was on a flight to Bkk. All I had was a backpack and little money. My plan was to stay here for a year and then go back to start work as a sound therapist. 

Wife....
A month after that I met my future wife however, and I've been here ever since (17 years). I did my best as a teacher and was quite good actually, but it wasn't my vocation. I couldn't see a future in it and that made me anxious. Fortunately, without much conscious thought or planning and with near zero investment, I started a small business doing what I was really passionate about: motorcycles. After just a few years, I was able to leave the teaching job and do it full time. Best decision ever.

I got married when money was tight. Our wedding was small to save money, but that didn't matter to us. We were happy and in love. Now we are doing much better financially. We are able to return to Europe once a year for 2 months and we like to travel around Europe 2-3 weeks on my trusted old Moto Guzzi. Well, tbh I like it more than my wife does, but such is life. ????

One thing I used to tell my students, was to imagine their lives as a book they are in the process of writing. At the end of your life, would you enjoy reading a book that is filled with stories about doubt, fear, laziness, playing it safe, boredom?....Or would you prefer reading stories of success, bravery, discovery, risk and fun? We are creating those stories as we go along and we have the choice to make the book interesting and exciting, or not.

I know which one I would choose. 

Is this bold enough?


PS:
Over 2000 posts but I'm still a Newbie. The story of my life...

Edited May 26, 2023 by Sunmaster

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Yes, this makes sense to me. Not sure how that would help you with a job or lover though. ????

 

Why would you reject the idea that everything in existence is a product of an interaction between two polarities? Do you think that conflicts with Seth's teachings? 

Maybe you remember what I said about my experience with the kundalini energy. I always used this metaphor: Normal, day-to-day consciousness is like walking in total darkness, with only the help of a small candle to light up the path before you. The light is just enough to illuminate a few steps in front of you. The experience of the Kundalini, or in other words, the expanded consciousness, was like a light switch was turned on. The light of a million suns illuminated everything and showed me a 360deg landscape as far as they eye could see. 
To use the puzzle analogy, it was like I was shown what the final puzzle looks like once finished. Even though it was a temporary thing, it still made it a lot easier afterwards to choose the right pieces and made it easier to put them together correctly. It also allowed me to understand difficult philosophical and spiritual concepts that would have been too cryptic for me before. 
Shortly after I remember discovering the amazing books of Ken Wilber, who tried to formulate a theory of everything. I was completely fascinated and wanted to share my discovery with my friends. They all returned the books after a couple of days. Not one of them could follow what Wilber was saying.
This may all sound very self aggrandizing, but it's the truth. I can't tell it differently.

 

 

The practical way to use Seth's teachings you mention is a very good one. I used and still use it as well. ????

 

"Why would you reject the idea that everything in existence is a product of an interaction between two polarities? Do you think that conflicts with Seth's teachings?"

I take it you're referring to dualities?  It's not that I reject the concept.  It's simply that I've never considered it because I've never been introduced to it and thus can't talk about what I don't know.  So, also, I couldn't begin to opine on whether or not it conflicts with Seth's teachings.  I recall Seth talking about inherent tension but I can't remember much about it.  It was brief.  I'll try and search for it.

(As an aside, since I have the Seth books as PDFs it's recently dawned on me that I could use Windows built in CTRL + F search function.  Type in a word or words and it will bring up all instances within the text.  It's fast, even in a 500+ page book.  I need to test it out some more and see if it might be a good solution to look for specific material.)

 

"Maybe you remember what I said about my experience with the kundalini energy."

Yes, I do.  For whatever reasons I've not attempted any of Seth's exercises for exploring consciousness apart from my normal consciousness.  I'm not sure where the reluctance is coming from.  Sometimes I chide myself for not making the attempt.  It's not to say I've never experienced an altered state of consciousness.  I've just never purposely tried to initiate it.

 

"This may all sound very self aggrandizing, but it's the truth. I can't tell it differently."

Pfffttt!  You don't ever have to worry about me thinking you're applauding yourself in an overrated fashion.  Folks do have a tendency to play down their achievements because they fear that they might come off as attempting to glorify themselves or appear as braggarts.  No worries, mate. 

 

"The practical way to use Seth's teachings you mention is a very good one. I used and still use it as well."

Scripting was actually something Abraham introduced.  Abraham offers lots and lots of creative ways to fulfill your desires.  They're Seth based but do not get into depth as Seth does.  Still, it's very good material.  Go on YT and plug in "Abraham Hicks."  Tons of videos available.

[Hummin]

45 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Thanks for that, Hummin.  Much appreciated.

By the way, how did you like the finbiff recipe? 

Finbiff recipe? I have not read to much lately, so not sure what to respond. If I missed something, please enlightened me.

[Tippaporn]

35 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I didn't post that song in the music thread.

I'm not advocating that music. 

It's crap.

By his own admission, Jimmy Page said there are evil sounds he makes with his guitar that shouldn't be in music. 

I've also been vocal about being anti-drugs on the forum.

The world is heading in the wrong direction with every drug being legalized and normalized.

No doubt everyone has different musical tastes.  Led Zeppelin are a seminal band and Page is one of the premier guitarists of all time.  Not for you, obviously.    But they're talent cannot be denied, even if one doesn't like their music.  What's crap to me, for the greater majority of it, is rap.

I'm not anti-drug to the point of saying that no one should ever experience them.  But I am anti-drug when they become a dependency.  I'm especially anti-drug when it comes to pharmaceuticals.  Which in my opinion is a much greater problem than recreational drugs.  I don't do either.  I'll avoid pharmaceuticals like the plague.  Fortunately I'm healthy and have little if any need for doctors or medicines.

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Finbiff recipe? I have not read to much lately, so not sure what to respond. If I missed something, please enlightened me.

It's here and it's in reply to one of your posts.  Click on the arrow in the upper right to take you to the full post.
 

On 5/25/2023 at 2:37 PM, Tippaporn said:

Now imagine yourself in a world in which the cupboards contain every idea that exists.  Your job as the creator of your life is to choose those ideas which, mixed together, create a satisfying, pleasing, delightful and fulfilling lived experience.

 

If you were to walk into a kitchen and observe on the counter shredded reindeer meat, butter, fresh mushrooms, bacon, water, sour cream, milk, ekte geitost, crushed juniper berries, and dried thyme you would probably remark that someone is cooking up some delicious, yummy finnbiff.  And you would be correct.  If the chef were to tell you that he was making kransekake you would quickly raise your eyebrows and with incredulouslness protest that those ingredients could not possibly produce kransekake.  Those ingredients can only produce finnbiff.  And you would again be correct.

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

sorry guys, i don't have the time to keep up with the lengthy posts in this thread. 

so i'm out.

i simply don't have time to read all this and respond. 

sorry.

 

No apologies needed, save the frogs.  Come back anytime. 

[save the frogs]

26 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Led Zeppelin are a seminal band and Page is one of the premier guitarists of all time. 

Dazed and Confused is an anthem for getting stoned.

And Stairway to Heaven means what exactly? 

I don't like music that has lyrics so cryptic that I can't even figure out what the song is about.

But go for it if that's your thing. 

 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Sunmaster said:

Thailand....
I used to live in London for 5 years, doing a poorly paid job and just came out of a very difficult and abusive relationship. I was ready for a drastic change. A friend called me from Thailand where he recently moved to with his girlfriend to teach English. He helped me to find a teaching job and a place to stay. It was just perfect and everything seemed so easy and smooth. I packed my stuff and shipped it to my hometown in Italy. After just a month I was on a flight to Bkk. All I had was a backpack and little money. My plan was to stay here for a year and then go back to start work as a sound therapist. 

Wife....
A month after that I met my future wife however, and I've been here ever since (17 years). I did my best as a teacher and was quite good actually, but it wasn't my vocation. I couldn't see a future in it and that made me anxious. Fortunately, without much conscious thought or planning and with near zero investment, I started a small business doing what I was really passionate about: motorcycles. After just a few years, I was able to leave the teaching job and do it full time. Best decision ever.

I got married when money was tight. Our wedding was small to save money, but that didn't matter to us. We were happy and in love. Now we are doing much better financially. We are able to return to Europe once a year for 2 months and we like to travel around Europe 2-3 weeks on my trusted old Moto Guzzi. Well, tbh I like it more than my wife does, but such is life. ????

One thing I used to tell my students, was to imagine their lives as a book they are in the process of writing. At the end of your life, would you enjoy reading a book that is filled with stories about doubt, fear, laziness, playing it safe, boredom?....Or would you prefer reading stories of success, bravery, discovery, risk and fun? We are creating those stories as we go along and we have the choice to make the book interesting and exciting, or not.

I know which one I would choose. 

Is this bold enough?


PS:
Over 2000 posts but I'm still a Newbie. The story of my life...

"Is this bold enough?"

It's fair.  Now some engrossing experiences with a bit of XXX would have been very bold.  Next time, eh?  

 

Seriously, though, very wonderful stories.  I'll have to add more to this reply later to make some points.  But the remainder of my day is going to be spent on other things.  My daughter just came home from school.  She craves attention.  Either that or she just likes being disruptive. 

BTW, you can change your Newbie status to anything you like via your profile.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Dazed and Confused is an anthem for getting stoned.

And Stairway to Heaven means what exactly? 

I don't like music that has lyrics so cryptic that I can't even figure out what the song is about.

But go for it if that's your thing.

Well, there's more to a song than lyrics.  Sometimes I don't even listen to lyrics, just the music.  If that's pleasing then all is good, right?

 

It is my thing.  And I'm certainly not ashamed for it.  Again, different strokes for different folks.  Variety is the spice of life.  No two snowflakes are the same.  That kind of thing.  If the world was meant for everyone to have the same likes and dislikes then there need only be one person to come.  The cupboards are overflowing.  Pick what you like and leave what you don't prefer be.  Perhaps one of the only circumstances where people are together and leave everyone else to their own is at a restaurant.  No one ever complains about what anyone else is eating. 

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, Sunmaster said:

Europe once a year for 2 months and we like to travel around Europe 2-3 weeks on my trusted old Moto Guzzi.

it's great that you followed your passion.

motorcycles are cool, but i'm too afraid of getting hit by a car. 

although i would like to try wizzing around in a Vespa in Rome at some point ... but at low speeds. 

 

[save the frogs]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Well, there's more to a song than lyrics.  Sometimes I don't even listen to lyrics, just the music.  If that's pleasing then all is good, right?

Well ... but some songs DEMAND that you listen to the lyrics.

I don't think Robert Plant would be happy to hear that you listen to Stairway to Heaven without paying attention to the lyrics.

He's trying so desperately to convey some sort of message to the listener.

These people are trying hard to shape people's souls with their music.

They're not just trying to entertain you.

At least Zeppelin is. 

 

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

it's great that you followed your passion.

motorcycles are cool, but i'm too afraid of getting hit by a car. 

although i would like to try wizzing around in a Vespa in Rome at some point ... but at low speeds.

I'm afraid of riding motorcycles because of getting bugs in my teeth. 

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well ... but some songs DEMAND that you listen to the lyrics.

I don't think Robert Plant would be happy to hear that you listen to Stairway to Heaven without paying attention to the lyrics.

He's trying so desperately to convey some sort of message to the listener.

These people are trying hard to shape people's souls with their music.

They're not just trying to entertain you.

At least Zeppelin is.

Funny that.  I don't think I've ever really listened to the lyrics of Stairway To Heaven.

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to read nefarious, evil intentions into Led Zeppelin's music.  That interpretation is most definitely shaped by personal beliefs.  I think you would recognise that for what it is.

[save the frogs]

50 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Funny that.  I don't think I've ever really listened to the lyrics of Stairway To Heaven.

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to read nefarious, evil intentions into Led Zeppelin's music.  That interpretation is most definitely shaped by personal beliefs.  I think you would recognise that for what it is.

Well, AC/DC wants to "take you to hell".

If I uttered those words on the forum, you'd report me to the mods.

But I guess when you inject some electric guitars, everything sounds cool.

 

 

[save the frogs]

Sorry, this is waayyyyyyyy off-topic ...

Apologies for trolling/spamming and potentially disorientating anyone.

 

But ... there's a band called Foo Fighters.

And this dude believes Foo Fighters in WW2 were actually UFOs/alien spacecraft. 

 

 

[Tippaporn]

31 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well, AC/DC wants to "take you to hell".

If I uttered those words on the forum, you'd report me to the mods.

But I guess when you inject some electric guitars, everything sounds cool.

 

I hope you recognise that your interpretation is due to your beliefs.  The song is not at all about AC/DC wanting to take you to hell as you make it appear.  You despise the music and then find lyrics which you can use to twist it's meaning.  What you're doing is as obvious as, well, hell. 

[save the frogs]

44 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The song is not at all about AC/DC wanting to take you to hell

what is it about then?

a day at the amusement park?

or ... let me guess ... nothing? so lyrics never matter?

 

what's this song about? my interpretation based on my fears?

 

 

[save the frogs]

what about this one?

 

 

[Hummin]

On 5/25/2023 at 9:37 AM, Tippaporn said:

"There are other directions that your race can take, and I'm trying to point out those directions to you.  And if you take those directions, then indeed-in your terms-there will be a birth of a new species - a species that understands its blessed creaturehood, that understands its spirituality, that does not despoil its planet, that purposefully creates the kind of world a sane god would create, a god who has no need for a heaven or a hell!"

 

The currently accepted mass ideas which are used to create our mass experienced temporal reality lead to "the craziness and the chaos that surrounds us."  One of those ideas which are used in the formation of our mass reality is the idea that "we have no purpose."

Here's a great analogy which explains idea construction as the formation of experience and which one can use to understand the world around them.

Imagine yourself in a kitchen in which the cupboards contain every ingredient that exists.  Your job as the chef is to choose those ingredients which, mixed together, create a satisfying, pleasing, delightful and fulfilling gastronomical experience.

 

Now imagine yourself in a world in which the cupboards contain every idea that exists.  Your job as the creator of your life is to choose those ideas which, mixed together, create a satisfying, pleasing, delightful and fulfilling lived experience.

 

If you were to walk into a kitchen and observe on the counter shredded reindeer meat, butter, fresh mushrooms, bacon, water, sour cream, milk, ekte geitost, crushed juniper berries, and dried thyme you would probably remark that someone is cooking up some delicious, yummy finnbiff.  And you would be correct.  If the chef were to tell you that he was making kransekake you would quickly raise your eyebrows and with incredulouslness protest that those ingredients could not possibly produce kransekake.  Those ingredients c an only produce finnbiff.  And you would again be correct.

 

In the same way reality is created using ingredients which are ideas.  You choose from within the cupboards a range of ideas which together produce a certain dish, or outcome.

 

To understand the craziness and chaos which you witness in the world then the question becomes, "Which ideas would produce these outcomes."  If someone told you the craziness and chaos were the result of love, happiness, fulfillment, a sense of purpose and meaning you'd balk.  And rightly so.  You might see hatred, purposelessness, hopelessness, unfulfillment, fear, meaninglessness, and other ideas at play.  For only certain ideas could produce such results.

Now in this miraculous kitchen the cupboards are, again, filled with every ingredient imaginable.  Your job, your only job, is to choose those ingredients which produce the culinary delight you desire.  As to the ingredients which you do not like your job is not to eliminate them from the kitchen so that no other is able to choose them.  To eliminate them is not within your or anyone else's purview.  It is an impossibility.  As long as you do not choose those unwanted experience they will not enter your wonderful meal.  Only by choosing them would they get mixed in and so spoil your otherwise scrumptious feast.

Because people don't understand that ideas, thoughts create reality they are not choosing their ideas or their thoughts with discrimination but rather take in whatever comes across their path.  They are creating experience by default rather than with purposeful intention.  The entire reason entities such as Seth enter our existence is to teach us just that.  How to create consciously rather than unconsciously.  It's said that you're only half alive when you live life unconsciously to a large degree.

 

When one understands how reality is actually constructed then one can begin to view events with much greater clarity and understanding.  The "ingredients" used for any given event become very apparent.  Even when one cannot easily identify a particular ingredient one can certainly employ the process of elimination and quickly rule out the ingredients which cannot possibly be present.

Does the above make sense, Hummin?  I'm asking with respect and sincerity for your answer and not asking in the vein of belittlement.  Just to be clear.   

Where most people I know, see the result, the conclusion and the final proof, I try to see what led to the end conclusion. I need to understand the purpose behind the result, and can not just accept the final statement or conclusion. Not many people I know are like that, or have the time or patience to do so. Even the result is there, I might be so rude and turn both the final result and the conclusion down for something else, it is about timing and also interest, or call it lack of evidence to continue the search.

 

I have read little about Seth now, and I find it quite remarkable how he/her in many ways seems like a modernized Jesus figure? Some of the qoutes could easily be taken from the bible in many contexts, just with another signature same as Jesus in many ways also could had some buddism teaching before the gospels was written down and formed by the years after his death.

 

Our mind, our universe have some mystic with it, when people can wake up from coma, and speak a new language fluently, he bearly studied at school.

 

https://youtu.be/EIUrtuFS9zk

[Sunmaster]

It's a big topic, but ultimately I think that nobody has the right to tell another person whether they can or can not ingest something to alterate their consciousness, as long as they don't harm others. 
People ingest coffee, tea, sugar to modify their consciousness. A lot of people ingest media propaganda, which changes their consciousness as well, and we all know how fast that can degenerate (see post 9/11 frenzy with consequent illegitimate war based on lies). So it's laughable that a government would penalize someone for smoking a joint, where the worst that can happen is having a laugh with friends and getting the munchies.

The same goes for euthanasia. I don't accept that a government can have the right to decide how I should die. Religious institutions should not interfere in these issues, but sadly do.

For these and other reasons, I will always distrust and resist so-called "authorities". They are a bunch of unconscious robots voted in by masses of unconscious robots. The police are even worse: unconscious, tyrannical and power-tripping robots.