Do you believe in God and why

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

thx. 

who knows how much of it can be believed?

even wikipedia is not necessarily factual. 

even wikipedia is not necessarily factual  ??????????

That must be the understatement of the year!

[save the frogs]

53 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

even wikipedia is not necessarily factual  ??????????

That must be the understatement of the year!

actually, maybe the fact that it appears on wikipedia makes it highly suspect.

 

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

actually, maybe the fact that it appears on wikipedia makes it highly suspect.

When the Covid-saga started, reputed scientists (even Nobel-prize winners) who were featured on Wikipedia with their career and accomplishments and who dared to raise critical questions about covid or the jabs, saw their Wikipedia Bio changed over-night,  Their accomplishment and references to the work they did were removed from Wikipedia and paragraphs questioning their 'scientific integrity' were added.   

Of course if you have used Wikipedia to look up subjects somewhat outside of the official accepted narrative (e.g. homeopathy, autism, climate change, etc.) you would be well aware that Wikipedia is strongly biased. So the Bio-rewrite was no surprise except for the fact that it was done so openly. 

Note that I still use Wikipedia, but only for 'neutral' subjects and even so I take the info with a grain of salt...

[save the frogs]

On 6/1/2023 at 12:42 AM, Tippaporn said:

I have no intention of giving up my ego, thank you.  Not now or ever as long as I'm on earth.  After all, my ego is my best and beloved buddy. 

ego is necessary for drive and ambition.

maybe it becomes a problem when it causes you to act out in negative ways.

like you want to get rich quick to bolster the ego and do stupid things. 

like you waste a lot of money trying to impress other people. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by save the frogs

[Sunmaster]

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

that's one of the best quotes of the thread so far.

to honor it, i've asked chatGPT to re-write it in the style of Yoda.

 

Exist, God does not. Conscript of man, it is. Control the weak and gullible by fear, it aims to do.

Have you ever been diagnosed with bipolar disorder? ????

Your posts go from one extreme to the other and after all this time, I still don't know where you actually stand. 

And regarding the post you quoted....if you consider that the best quote of the thread (the small part you've followed so far), you either have very low standards, or maybe you meant it ironically. ????
I sincerely hope it's the latter.

Edited June 3, 2023 by Sunmaster

[Hummin]

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

thx. 

who knows how much of it can be believed?

even wikipedia is not necessarily factual. 

The article tell her story only, and do not try to prove her story as a truth. 

[save the frogs]

6 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

sincerely hope it's the latter.

it was a joke.

bipolar, never. not even sure exactly what it means. it's not a good thing, right?

one guy said i was like a dyslexic once.

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by save the frogs

[save the frogs]

On 6/1/2023 at 1:34 AM, Sunmaster said:

What happens when you dis-identify with the ego? You learn that the outer ego is not who you are. You learn that it is only a part of the real YOU. The real problem is believing that the outer ego is all you are. 

that drawing was interesting. 

 

most people are not deep enough to delve into the "real" them, so all that's left is money, status, possessions to define their ego. 

 

[xylophone]

13 hours ago, Nemises said:

 

 

God doesn't exist. It's a man-made conscript to control the weak and gullible by fear.

 

 

I partly agree with that, although I would say that it is a man-made "construct" to try and look for answers as to how we got here and who we are, so fairy stories are made up to appease those searchers......then they believe the stories because it appears that they have found what they're looking for! Something to consider......

 

Quote: "Jesus didn't exist until 100 years after he died? Not a single reference, anywhere? How is that possible? The guy was supposedly out there performing miracles, rising from the dead, and nothing?
How is that possible? Maybe all that Jesus stuff is BS?"

 

[save the frogs]

On 6/1/2023 at 1:34 AM, Sunmaster said:

The point of Eastern philosophies is not to "destroy", or "getting rid" of the ego.

anyway, the bible quote is 'money is the root of all evil'.

but actually i think unhealthy egos are the root of all problems. 

[save the frogs]

24 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Maybe all that Jesus stuff is BS?

it is possible that jesus never existed.

but maybe his character was based on some previous mythology.

and mythology often has something to teach us.

and it doesn't mean you should just go back to sleep because you're too lazy to put any thought into anything. 

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by save the frogs

[xylophone]

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

it is possible that jesus never existed.

but maybe his character was based on some previous mythology.

and mythology often has something to teach us.

and it doesn't mean you should just go back to sleep because you're too lazy to put any thought into anything. 

 

No time to waste putting thought into fairy tales I'm afraid.

Edited June 3, 2023 by xylophone

[save the frogs]

On 5/31/2023 at 9:16 PM, Tippaporn said:

1) If your living experience is not fully created by you then who creates a portion of it?

there are unseen forces affecting things. some things are predetermined. 

it's hard to say to what extent we have free will.

 

yeah sorry , i am a bit busy to answer all 25 questions right now. 

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

there are unseen forces affecting things. some things are predetermined. 

it's hard to say to what extent we have free will.

 

yeah sorry , i am a bit busy to answer all 25 questions right now. 

Many decisions we make is is made quite by random choices. Some would say it is destiny, Im not so sure

[save the frogs]

On 6/1/2023 at 1:34 AM, Sunmaster said:

What happens when you dis-identify with the ego? You learn that the outer ego is not who you are. You learn that it is only a part of the real YOU. The real problem is believing that the outer ego is all you are. 

while your abstract theories may have some validity, not many people are going to pick up abstract information and sort out the ego this way.

 

if your ego is out of balance, it will eventually clash with someone else's ego.

it's through these clashes that people learn to manage their egos.

 

or sometimes through setbacks your ego gets adjusted. you're a millionaire and then you go bankrupt ... now you need to redefine your ego based on other values etc ...

 

complex issue, ego is. 

 

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by save the frogs

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

while your abstract theories may have some validity, not many people are going to pick up abstract information and sort out the ego this way.

 

if your ego is out of balance, it will eventually clash with someone else's ego.

it's through these clashes that people learn to manage their egos.

 

or sometimes through setbacks your ego gets adjusted. you're a millionaire and then you go bankrupt ... now you need to redefine your ego based on other values etc ...

 

complex issue, ego is. 

 

 

I don't think the ideas are abstract at all. You have an ego, right? Can you step back and see it as a "thing", observe it, describe it? How it was created, built...brick upon brick when you were a child? 

If you can observe it, doesn't that mean that you are indeed something else? If there is the ego and there is an observer, doesn't that mean that identifying with the ego construct is far less than you really are?

It's all very practical.

 

[save the frogs]

16 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

If you can observe it, doesn't that mean that you are indeed something else? If there is the ego and there is an observer, doesn't that mean that identifying with the ego construct is far less than you really are?

It's all very practical.

no sorry.

this is a bit abstract and i don't agree.

not sure what you mean by "ego is less than". 

 

if your ego is healthy, then the ego is part of who you are based on what you've accomplished in your life. if you raised good children, then you're a good father. that's a healthy ego. 

 

ego can degenerate into arrogance and often does in many people. that aspect of ego can be observed in yourself and others. 

 

 

[Sunmaster]

49 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

if your ego is healthy, then the ego is part of who you are

Exactly, it's a part of who you are, so what is the other part? 

[save the frogs]

8 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Exactly, it's a part of who you are, so what is the other part? 

i don't know.

what?

[Red Phoenix]

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

no sorry.

this is a bit abstract and i don't agree.

not sure what you mean by "ego is less than". 

 

if your ego is healthy, then the ego is part of who you are based on what you've accomplished in your life. if you raised good children, then you're a good father. that's a healthy ego. 

 

ego can degenerate into arrogance and often does in many people. that aspect of ego can be observed in yourself and others.

The Ego is more complex than how you paint it here. 

A useful way to address this phenomenon, is to make the distinction between Essence and Personality.  Personality is your 'clothing' and just like with your clothes you have preferences and these are not constant and can change in a whim but there is a pattern to it,  E.g. you hear a song you like and it gets you in a good mood, untll you spill some coffee and immediately your mood changes. Then you get a phone-call of a lady you like and you are once again in a different suit. Of course you have a favorite clothe-line for your personality, e.g. being mostly serious or joyful or depressed, but those clothes are not your essence.  Your essence is your real me, and if you do not make that distinction you can make the mistake to think that people in responsible positions necessarily have an essence to match the outward clothes they are wearing.  A dominant authoritarian personality with a a gigantic Ego but with an undeveloped essence can be well respected and feared in social life, due to that Ego-suit but he is in fact an empty shell. And then you have people without education or social status that have a well developed essence, and at moments when it matters that will shine through as they are 'grounded'.  

Obviously much more can be said on this subject, but it might give you a taste that the Ego is not your real me, and that without developing your essence that your life - even though it might appear highly successful to society - is that of an automaton.

 

[save the frogs]

good post, phoenix.

yeah, essence. i like that. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

I think we are only our physical bodies and the ego is a mind's eye picture of our place in the world. It is not a separate thing that can be removed, or a separate affectation, but an interpretation by our heart and mind of who we are in the world.

Whether we can be at peace. Happy. Free. 

Whether we are on easy street or hard street.

Whether we can relax a bit because we can deal with threats and have a good life or whether the opposite is true.

So to me ego is not a bad or false thing necessarily but a reminder that we are bodies in a material world and we better be aware of that. In that sense it can be healthy or unhealthy, realistic or unrealistic, due to your concept of time and place.

It can become bruised or inflated either because we over or underestimated how things are for us or new things come to light in the real world that change our circumstances.  The inflation does not have to be based on a lie but could be a thoughtful reinterpretation that has us feel better about ourselves based on reality.  It is a thought or idea that can and does change over time like any other thought or idea. Nothing spiritual or non physical or to do with a god in my opinion. 

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

i don't know.

what?

That's the big question. A question which everyone should find out by themselves. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by Sunmaster

[save the frogs]

13 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

That's the big question. A question which everyone should find out by themselves. 

well, i guess i'll never know what you're referring to.

 

one thing i noticed is that different people perceive the same human being very differently. 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

This is probably the first time that I add a serious comment to this thread.

I am currently watching the below video. Starting from about 31 minutes into the video it contains about an hour of discussion between Jordan Peterson and Konstantin Kisin, about god.

Both are highly intelligent people. Konstantin Kisin does not believe in god. With Jordan Peterson I am not sure how to describe his relation to god and religion. But he argues like if god exists.

Whatever you think, I think this is a very interesting deep discussion. Enjoy!

And no, I don't want to discuss this here. It's just an interesting link.

 

 

[BenStark]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

there are unseen forces affecting things. some things are predetermined. 

it's hard to say to what extent we have free will.

I think you have a point. I'm not religious.

 

A few years ago some tragedy happened to me, and right after that I realized that I had got several warnings of it in the days prior to it.

 

Even, right when it was happening, there was a voice in my head talking to me, as if I was demonized.

 

 

 

 

[save the frogs]

Just watched a video about Angkor Wat.

No one knows who built it. So there was an ancient civilization.

 

Also, it was based on Hindu cosmology .

The earth is flat with mountains surrounding the seas. 

Then a bunch of other realms ... sth above the sun and sth below the earth.

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by save the frogs

[save the frogs]

18 minutes ago, BenStark said:

I think you have a point. I'm not religious.

 

A few years ago some tragedy happened to me, and right after that I realized that I had got several warnings of it in the days prior to it.

 

Even, right when it was happening, there was a voice in my head talking to me, as if I was demonized.

 

 

 

 

I'm not religious either. 

That's a good story.

I also gave an example of a job interview with bad omens and the place turned out to be cursed. Felt like a character in a scripted horror movie. 

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by save the frogs

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Just watched a video about Angkor Wat.

No one knows who built it. So there was an ancient civilization.

 

Also, it was based on Hindu cosmology .

The earth is flat with mountains surrounding the seas. 

Then a bunch of other realms ... sth above the sun and sth below the earth.

 

Always link your sources please.

 

I see there is more and more accepted beliefs ancient lost civilizations built temples, pyramids, and other structures around the world, and especially one stands out and got quite alot of attention especially through Joe Rogan show Graham Hancock.

 

https://youtu.be/T5DNvYMtkyk

Edited June 3, 2023 by Hummin

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

This is probably the first time that I add a serious comment to this thread.

I am currently watching the below video. Starting from about 31 minutes into the video it contains about an hour of discussion between Jordan Peterson and Konstantin Kisin, about god.

Both are highly intelligent people. Konstantin Kisin does not believe in god. With Jordan Peterson I am not sure how to describe his relation to god and religion. But he argues like if god exists.

Whatever you think, I think this is a very interesting deep discussion. Enjoy!

And no, I don't want to discuss this here. It's just an interesting link.

 

 

The more you take in all mysteries and wonders throughout our history and the constant universe evolving around us, there is no way you can not think of why everything is how it is? 

 

I believe in evolving and evolution, but I also believe in a power structure outside of our reach to understand.

 

When that is said, what god is, I comtinue to say, Nature is, we are part of it, and thats all. 

 

Where you see structure it is chaos who created it, where you see structure, it will end in chaos, a constant loop of rebirths