Elite cements its rule

[JAG]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am in Thailand since before Thaksin came to power. I was here when the coups happened. And it took time before they actually happened. Thaksin and his little sister had the opportunity to correct their criminal behavior before the coups. But they didn't.

 

Obvious there might be other reasons which also play a role why the coups happened. But for the last two coups the criminal Shinawatras were the main reason and the people on the streets were happy that finally the military stopped the criminals. I am sure the people would not have accepted the last coups without a good reason.

There was a good reason, a very good reason, they had a gun pointed at their head!

[chainarong]

Yep, What's the point.

 

[GinBoy2]

Apart from the fact that I agree with most of this rather well written and candid article.

 

I'm fascinated by the transformation of The Nation itself.

 

Who kidnapped that pro establishment, pro junta editorial board that existed at the time of the coup??

[marinediscoking]

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And why did the 2014 coup happen?

If Thaksin and his little sister would have worked for all Thais and Thailand that would not have happened.

Democratically elected? Yes. Criminals? Yes!

The courts should never have allowed Thaksin's "honest mistakes" then we would not have had two decades with this criminal and his minions.

The coups happened for a reason. People gave flowers to the soldiers for a reason. Decent people don't want to be ruled by criminal corrupt politicians. And if a coup if the only way to get rid of the criminals then that's it.

Don't confuse cause and effect!

It amazes me people, even an expat thinks like this! 

Is this a case of stockholm syndrome?

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The coups happened for a reason. People gave flowers to the soldiers for a reason. Decent people don't want to be ruled by criminal corrupt politicians. And if a coup if the only way to get rid of the criminals then that's it.

Don't confuse cause and effect!

The reason being ethnic Bangkok Thais (33% minority) don't want to be ruled by ethnic Laos Thais (66% majority).

When they lose the election (which they always will because they're in the minority), they stage a coup.

Unless Bangkok gives Issan and N. Thailand back to Laos, they will never be able to win a fair election.

Edited May 15, 2019 by BritManToo

[CGW]

23 minutes ago, marinediscoking said:

Is this a case of stockholm syndrome?

???? Sheeple syndrome, follow the "leader" & devoid of the ability to think for themselves, the world is "ruled" knowing this a prevalent pattern ????

[sjaak327]

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And why did the 2014 coup happen?

If Thaksin and his little sister would have worked for all Thais and Thailand that would not have happened.

Democratically elected? Yes. Criminals? Yes!

The courts should never have allowed Thaksin's "honest mistakes" then we would not have had two decades with this criminal and his minions.

The coups happened for a reason. People gave flowers to the soldiers for a reason. Decent people don't want to be ruled by criminal corrupt politicians. And if a coup if the only way to get rid of the criminals then that's it.

Don't confuse cause and effect!

The coup happened not because of the Shinawatras, but because the elite wants to side step the electorate, however was in power was absolutely inconsequential. 

 

Those decent people are still being ruled by criminals, but now with no way of doing anything about it. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you ?

[Wilsonandson]

Apart from the fact that I agree with most of this rather well written and candid article.
 
I'm fascinated by the transformation of The Nation itself.
 
Who kidnapped that pro establishment, pro junta editorial board that existed at the time of the coup??

They'll fall back in line. It's just that break in power time. A time to sell newspapers with election conspiracy theories. They know that Prayut won democratically. If the country was so heavily divided then where are the protests, the upheval and discontent? Nobody gives a hoot. It's just another boring election. People are more interested in getting there kids back to school, soap operas, etc. I see no discontent where I live.

You've all been hyped up by the media, again. WW3 isn't coming.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Why don’t you imagine that there are no coups (17 coups and 1 every 6 years) and less period of elected governments than military sponsored governments. Thailand would have less corruption and better leaders. The problem is that the military is far worse and corrupt than politicians and are not good role models period. Military coups have distorted the progress of democracy and their corruptions only give the politicians excuses to be corrupt. You should stop supporting coup if you sincerely want honest and good leaders. Stop fooling yourself. 

So I guess I should hope that one day the people who vote again and again for the same corrupt politicians will one day wake up and don't do that anymore. Yeah, I hope, ...

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Such garble and I really think you believe yourself. Thaskin was by all means not great and certainly had some good with some bad, but this Junta is a chip off the old elite block of deception, personal immunity, stacking of the cards by deceit. No bigger from of hidden corruption here if one could prove the real facts under fearing retribution. FFP was the breathe of fresh air, and at least most Thai can see the need to eliminate the iron fist of old control, but hard to find the how to do.

Yes, hard to find how to do.

Here is a hint: Voting again and again for the known corrupt criminals won't improve the situation.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Naive in the extreme.

I don't even feel sorry for you or your lack of understanding in how this country works.

But i do pity you in your lack of understanding of who the bad guys really are.

Naive in the extreme.

Good that you are the expert who knows exactly what is going on.

Tell me, where does your knowledge come from?

I look at different local and international news every day, I talk with Thais and farangs, and I open my eyes.

But you know better. Why? Where do you get your insider information from? The local red-shirt meetings?

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So I guess I should hope that one day the people who vote again and again for the same corrupt politicians will one day wake up and don't do that anymore. Yeah, I hope, ...

They vote for their ethnic leader, they don't vote for policies, that's how a feudal society works.

As for corruption, they're all corrupt else they wouldn't be standing for election.

As for everyone, were you in Bangkok or Korat, it would make a difference.

Edited May 15, 2019 by BritManToo

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, Reigntax said:

Except that they have done it 18 times and each time they have been a failure.

One thinks the rhetorical excuses justifying any coup are just that. Otherwise one would have to question the same group trying the same again despite 17 previous failures and whether they have the intelligence required.

 

But we all know the real reasons!!!!

 

And Thaksin was not responsible for the first 16.

It seems for all coups in Thailand there must be the same reason. Why? I only experienced the last two coups in person. And I know that before those coups everybody was talking about the corrupt Thaksin. And after the coup many people were happy that the military removed Thaksin.

Was he the only reason? Probably not.

Was he a main reason? Probably yes.

Will we ever know the whole truth why exactly things happen in Thailand? Should we try logic? 555

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, JAG said:

There was a good reason, a very good reason, they had a gun pointed at their head!

Where was that gun? I never saw a picture of that one.

But I saw all the guns from the red-shirts, Thaksin's private army.

Good that the military removed him.

[wilailuk]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The reason being ethnic Bangkok Thais (33% minority) don't want to be ruled by ethnic Laos Thais (66% majority).

When they lose the election (which they always will because they're in the minority), they stage a coup.

Unless Bangkok gives Issan and N. Thailand back to Laos, they will never be able to win a fair election.

Exactly, and they could give away the south to Malaysia, problems solved with the southern bastards!

 

There will be civil war, someday..

 

 

 

[LongTang]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Where do you get your insider information from? The local red-shirt meetings?

 

Maybe you should report him to the 1506 "Rat Line", You might even get a free SomTam !

[DrTuner]

13 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

Don't give a f...k anymore. It took me three years to understand that this country is acutely dysfunctional. We have to find our own workarounds..

Farang ghettos work pretty well, until they oust us with immigration orders. Just avoid contact with the locals and IOs as much as possible.

[ocddave]

Sounds like someone will be getting a visit from the thought police, how dare someone question the Junta, they are infallible! This train-wreck is just waiting for a place to happen, at least the Junta has its tanks and new armored personnel carriers, they should be able to thwart an uprising when the people finally crack.  

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, hard to find how to do.

Here is a hint: Voting again and again for the known corrupt criminals won't improve the situation.

But FFP was the hint for the new revival and is getting squashed by the group in control now apparently successful in stealing a new full control you seem to favor. Either way its all a lost cause. 

[Stargeezr]

You have to look south of Thailand to see democracy, well real democracy. Vietnam, No!

Burma, No!  Well the so called newly elected, 555, government, in Thailand seems a lot like the Military that ran the country for the last 4 years. Sad, but I guess this is who the people of Thailand voted in... Glad I do not live there.

Geezer.

[candide]

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Where was that gun? I never saw a picture of that one.

But I saw all the guns from the red-shirts, Thaksin's private army.

Good that the military removed him.

The answer is simple: you did not see the gun because they did not protest!

However, 1800 people under threat of military courts....

Edited May 16, 2019 by candide

[Eric Loh]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

So I guess I should hope that one day the people who vote again and again for the same corrupt politicians will one day wake up and don't do that anymore. Yeah, I hope, ...

That's democracy in motion. Never mind you wouldn't understand as you prefer coups and suppression of rights and freedom of choice. Ignorant is bliss for you.  

[OneMoreFarang]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

That's democracy in motion. Never mind you wouldn't understand as you prefer coups and suppression of rights and freedom of choice. Ignorant is bliss for you.  

Not everybody can be as smart and educated like you.

Who do you support? Thaksin? Or maybe the other rich guy with the all new party who wants to work together with Thaksin?

 

Obviously you don't have to tell me. Because with my ignorance I wouldn't understand why you support the criminal fugitive or his supporters.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Not everybody can be as smart and educated like you.

Who do you support? Thaksin? Or maybe the other rich guy with the all new party who wants to work together with Thaksin?

Don't know about Eric, but you did say 'smart and educated' ........ that's me.

I don't support any politician in any country, they're all scum as far as I can see.

I haven't voted since 'Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party' disappeared.

The next time I vote will be when they have a 'No suitable candidate' box on the ballot papers.

Edited May 16, 2019 by BritManToo

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Not everybody can be as smart and educated like you.

Who do you support? Thaksin? Or maybe the other rich guy with the all new party who wants to work together with Thaksin?

 

Obviously you don't have to tell me. Because with my ignorance I wouldn't understand why you support the criminal fugitive or his supporters.

I supported elected leaders because they were chosen by the people. Leaders who have no mandate from the people have no rights to lay out policies that reflect the wishes of the people. Don't need smart and intelligence to arrive at that conclusion. You are an educated man but I see that your problem like few of your like minded mates is that you are too Thaksin-centric and fail to grasp the totality of the issues regarding elites and military dominance since 1932. 

[mania]

57 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The next time I vote will be when they have a 'No suitable candidate' box on the ballot papers.

I always say the same thing........

 

None Of The Above on the ballot to be a true democracy

 

If enough folks check none of the above so be it

New nominations till one is selected the people agree on

 

Because truth is "parties" nominate  not the people

 

The people just get to vote for who is the least worst as always

Edited May 16, 2019 by mania

[Briggsy]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

you are too Thaksin-centric and fail to grasp the totality of the issues regarding elites and military dominance since 1932. 

This is absolutely correct and a common mistake of understanding for farang who have been here a decade or so.

 

They fail to see the big picture in terms of social inequality, the inaccessibility of the justice system to ordinary people, the wealth inequality, suppression of the population, the nepotism all deeply entrenched and defended by the army with guns and tanks.

 

The Shinawatra family are a symptom of not the solution to the military dictatorships.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, Briggsy said:

This is absolutely correct and a common mistake of understanding for farang who have been here a decade or so.

 

They fail to see the big picture in terms of social inequality, the inaccessibility of the justice system to ordinary people, the wealth inequality, suppression of the population, the nepotism all deeply entrenched and defended by the army with guns and tanks.

 

The Shinawatra family are a symptom of not the solution to the military dictatorships.

Please tell us how the Shinawatras improved all that while they were in power. With the rice-scam? 555

[Briggsy]

19 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Please tell us how the Shinawatras improved all that while they were in power. With the rice-scam? 555

Again you have made the same mistake. You are totally focussed on Thaksin hate. The issues are so, so much wider than that. Here is just one :-

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/1588786/report-thailand-most-unequal-country-in-2018

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Again you have made the same mistake. You are totally focussed on Thaksin hate. The issues are so, so much wider than that. Here is just one :-

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/1588786/report-thailand-most-unequal-country-in-2018

What is so difficult about that question? What did Thaksin do to make Thailand's justice system better? What did he do to fight corruption in police and administration?

He had many years to do something. Did he even try?

I understand that Thaksin is not the only bad guy. But he had the power and he had the support. Why didn't he make it better? I don't see any evidence he ever tried. He can be described as the master of corruption. And we should not focus on him...