UK PM candidate Sajid Javid ready for Brexit without deal - The Telegraph

[Jonathan Fairfield]

UK PM candidate Sajid Javid ready for Brexit without deal - The Telegraph

 

 

(Reuters) - British interior minister Sajid Javid, who is running in the leadership race to replace Prime Minister Theresa May, would be prepared to take Britain out of the European Union without a deal, The Daily Telegraph reported on Friday.

 

Javid wants to see Britain leaving the EU by the current deadline of Oct. 31, the newspaper added.

 

(Reporting by Akshay Balan in Bengaluru; Editing by David Gregorio)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-20

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[Jonathan Fairfield]

UK's Javid says would order 'no-deal budget' if prime minister

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British interior minister Sajid Javid said he would order the preparation of a "no-deal budget" to convince the European Union that Britain was serious about leaving on Oct. 31 if he succeeds Theresa May as prime minister.

 

"This would also show the EU we are ready - so when we turn up to negotiate, they know we are not afraid of walking out," he wrote in a column for Saturday's Daily Mail newspaper.

 

Javid also said he will not back a second referendum on Brexit, and would be prepared to pay Ireland's costs for the technology needed to avoid a hard border with the British province of Northern Ireland.

 

"It's a small price to avoid 'no deal' - and the risks that would bring to the hard-won peace," he said.

 

(Reporting by David Milliken and Ishiti Chigilli Palli; Editing by Sonya Hepinstall)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-20

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[Chomper Higgot]

Which is one of the reasons why he’ll never be PM.

[evadgib]

I can't see him getting the job but he does at least have a sense of humour:

 

[Bluespunk]

51 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Javid also said he will not back a second referendum on Brexit, and would be prepared to pay Ireland's costs for the technology needed to avoid a hard border with the British province of Northern Ireland.

To quote Kirsty MacColl

 

“There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis
Just like you swore to me that you'd be true
There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis
But he's a liar and I'm not sure about you”

[Thairealist]

Well he’s making the right statements to appeal to the majority of British voters. Let’s hope if he does get elected he keeps to his word, un like T May.

[Baerboxer]

Ah, they'll all say anything to try and get support and votes.

 

Once in office, different matter..................

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Thairealist said:

Well he’s making the right statements to appeal to the majority of British voters. Let’s hope if he does get elected he keeps to his word, un like T May.

 

I doubt he currently gives a toss about appealing to any majority of British voters. (And you don't know that a majority of British voters do support leaving on 31.10 without a deal).

 

He's trying to win support of the tiny, tiny, % of British voters who are members of the Tory party and who will select the next PM.

[Pedrogaz]

God this guy....he is the one who was swanning around Australia on a business trip with his teenaged son when Tata announced they were closing Port Talbot steel works. Did he rush back.....no he finished his free holiday with his son....did he get criticised? No, he is not allowed to be criticised.

[Krataiboy]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I doubt he currently gives a toss about appealing to any majority of British voters. (And you don't know that a majority of British voters do support leaving on 31.10 without a deal).

 

He's trying to win support of the tiny, tiny, % of British voters who are members of the Tory party and who will select the next PM.

And the majority of them are Leavers. Javid knows this and consequently must be assumed to mean what he is saying.

 

Putting a "no deal" Brexit back on the negotiating table is crucial if the EU is to be persuaded to improve their current offer, already rightly rejected three times by the Commons.

 

Unfortunately, Barnier and Co know we have a Parliament dominated to Remainers, who have already voted down leaving with no deal and are likely to do so again.

 

One suspects this lurking reality is why Boris has now done an undignified about-turn on not voting for the current Withdrawal Agreement, despite declaring it dead only a few days ago because it would turn Britain into a "vassal state".

 

Is his rival Sajid made of sterner stuff? If elected, would he really be prepared to risk a vote of no confidence  - with all this implies - and turn May's empty pledge, "No deal is better than a bad deal", into a reality?

 

If so, he is a man worth voting for.

[Thingamabob]

This puts him seriously in the race. 

[Kasane]

England will come full circle if Sajid does become PM and carries out his promise.

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, oilinki said:

So.. if the technology to provide border without a border exists either now or in near future, the so much feared backstop should not be a problem?

 

The 'technology' will eliminate the need to use the backstop in any case. Right?

Any idea, when this technology will be available ?

Till… how you Brits want to have full control over your own borders and sovereignty between it ? Nice to know with new technolgy gravity can be turn around, so we can all fly, but.. to sell my car already for it... latest 31 Oct.. ? ?

[goldenbrwn1]

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

I can't see him getting the job but he does at least have a sense of humour:

 

He really does..

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, Kasane said:

England will come full circle if Sajid does become PM and carries out his promise.

 

England won't be leaving the EU - it isn't even a member!

 

 

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

And the majority of them are Leavers. Javid knows this and consequently must be assumed to mean what he is saying.

 

Putting a "no deal" Brexit back on the negotiating table is crucial if the EU is to be persuaded to improve their current offer, already rightly rejected three times by the Commons.

 

Unfortunately, Barnier and Co know we have a Parliament dominated to Remainers, who have already voted down leaving with no deal and are likely to do so again.

 

One suspects this lurking reality is why Boris has now done an undignified about-turn on not voting for the current Withdrawal Agreement, despite declaring it dead only a few days ago because it would turn Britain into a "vassal state".

 

Is his rival Sajid made of sterner stuff? If elected, would he really be prepared to risk a vote of no confidence  - with all this implies - and turn May's empty pledge, "No deal is better than a bad deal", into a reality?

 

If so, he is a man worth voting for.

 

Do you have any facts that show the % of Tory party members that are in favor of leaving and remaining? And what % are in favor of a "no deal" clean break?

 

The parliamentary Conservative party is certainly divided with the majority seemingly against any no deal.

 

May, Davies and their muppet team of negotiators screwed up the negotiations big time. Which is why we have a crap deal on the table which barely anyone wants. But, the cards have all been shown. Balmy Boris does more u-turns than a Thai taxi driver! But he knows the negotiating ploys and tactics have all been uselessly wasted. The only thing interesting the EU is that 39 Billion plus anymore they can screw out now. Walk away with "no deal" and guess what's on the table if you want to negotiate free trade and market access. Barnier and his team prepared better, negotiated better and covered their bases better. Davies and the muppets blew it. 

 

David is showing he's a shrewd politician even to the extent of being publicly aggressive towards his fellow Muslims. But he would be the first ethnic Pakistani Muslim leader of the Tories and PM at a time when the party is more split that ever, the country faces a lurking constitutional crisis and the Tories are being punished at the ballot box like never before. Would his leadership likely heal the wounds and make them more electable? Doubt it.

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, oilinki said:

I doubt it will be ready by the halloween. I think it has not been even invented yet. I think it's just a soundbite by the brexiteers. 

 

But if they say it's going to be ready (whatever it might be, nobody knows), then the backstop is not going to be an issue making a deal.

 

After all, that is what the brexiteers complained about the May's deal. 

You think, if there was a beginning of idea how to do, it would not have been used in the fight against drugs smuggling ? ?Or by Trump to stop illigal immigrants at the mexican-US border ?

I presume, Brexiteers are the ONLY persons in the world believing it will be available before King George is on the throne.

Pity we did not listen better to Charles de Gaulle in 1963:  "In short, the nature, the structure, the very situation (conjuncture) that are England’s differ profoundly from those of the continentals.”

Edited June 1, 2019 by puipuitom

[sawadee1947]

Well, show me one of the Tories, who is poor. 

So they don't care about working class or average people, just got their career in mind. It's a shame! 

[sanemax]

8 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Stop saying silly things like EU would renegotiate the initial deal, which was the easy part of the negotiations. It's done and dusted. It has been like that since the deal was announced. That's how our EU works. 

 

Nobody is scared of NO-DEAL. Nobody in the EU at least. It has been the default option for a year. EU is not, nor it should be afraid of NO-DEAL. That fear is all yours to carry. 

 

UK already played it's cards. 

 

 

Why didnt the E.U refuse to allow any extensions .

The E.U could have refused an extension and the UK would have left the E.U

Ferage pleaded with the E.U to refuse an extension of the discussions and thus the UK would have been out the E.U as scheduled

[puipuitom]

29 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Stop saying silly things like EU would renegotiate the initial deal, which was the easy part of the negotiations. It's done and dusted. It has been like that since the deal was announced. That's how our EU works. 

 

Nobody is scared of NO-DEAL. Nobody in the EU at least. It has been the default option for a year. EU is not, nor it should be afraid of NO-DEAL. That fear is all yours to carry. 

 

UK already played it's cards. 

 

I so hope the Brits could understood that this withdrawal agreement is just 10-15% of the negotiations between leaving UK and EU. The real negotiations are ahead. This agreement was given to UK as a goodwill deal. 

 

But then again, current British politicians are not on their best, when things become more complicated. Good luck with WTO terms world. You'll be in par with Afghanistan as an nation of the whole world. 

See Spain and their citrus… .. 
https://www.agroberichtenbu...
strong crisis experienced by the Spanish citrus sector
Higher production costs. Labor and production costs in Spain are the highest among the main production areas of the planet, much higher than in emerging countries (Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Turkey, South Africa) and even more than in developing countries (Morocco, Egypt); even more than in California.
Soon we will read the same: out-of-competition, for all WTO-countries, and too expensive seen border checks and import duty into the EU for... UK petrol, chemical till industrial output, from cars to airplane parts, from confectionary till meat, unless. of course... you get your Pound from now € 1,13 towards ... € 0,75or so. Should be not so difficult. I remember in 1971, when one pound was Hfl 10,65 which equaled then / 2.2 = € 4,84 ( and compared to then DM 11,83 /2 = € 5,92. A German, who committed suicide end of April 45 in Berlin must turn himself in his grave for laughing). 16 Nov 2015: € 1,43.  It should be no problem for the British...sink your pound till it is one ounce. Then your output is competative again, but... will not bring in enough revenues to keep the present standing of living in the U.K. 

Edited June 1, 2019 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

England won't be leaving the EU - it isn't even a member!

It's the English attitude: still see Scotland and Ireland as occupied colonies, ruled from London by Eton boys.

[sanemax]

Just now, puipuitom said:

It's the English attitude: still see Scotland and Ireland as occupied colonies, ruled from London by Eton boys.

That is the way that they view themselves and the reason for their animosity towards England .

  Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom , they view themselves as having lesser importance in that Union and English people just get annoyed at all their whining all the time 

[puipuitom]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why didnt the E.U refuse to allow any extensions .

The E.U could have refused an extension and the UK would have left the E.U

Ferage pleaded with the E.U to refuse an extension of the discussions and thus the UK would have been out the E.U as scheduled

The British came up with this in 2013 already. Then Cameron made it part of his re-election. 2016 referendum, and.. again..for months… nothing. 29 March 2019, till 14 April and again till 31 Oct 2019.

When you British are finally going to make a mayority decission for one of the alternatives and decide, where you want to have the borders to have under your control and in between sovereignity ?

[puipuitom]

24 minutes ago, oilinki said:

The way I assume the idea of this technical border would work, it would address the normal border/customs control issues. 

On EU side, to restrict UK made and UK imported products, like chlorinated chickens to be imported to the EU etc. 

And how you want to verify that without actual visual checks OR... an agreement to accept mutual inspections and certifications, called: "a DEAL".  NO deal means NO DEAL ! 

[bomber]

9 hours ago, Thairealist said:

Well he’s making the right statements to appeal to the majority of British voters. Let’s hope if he does get elected he keeps to his word, un like T May.

last time i checked the majority of british voters were not tory MPs

[Jip99]

19 minutes ago, bomber said:

last time i checked the majority of british voters were not tory MPs

 

 

The British voters are irrelevant in the context of the appointment of the next prime minister.

[bomber]

6 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

The British voters are irrelevant in the context of the appointment of the next prime minister.

correct,thairealist was the one who was getting carried away with the post made about javid.

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

Are you seriously asking these questions?

 

Each of the extensions were pledged by UK government. EU can't provide extension unless UK ask for one. 

 

1) EU saw that UK is in internal turmoil and UK needed time to figure out what it really wants.

 

2) Why should EU offer to get the blame of no-deal Brexit, when it finally happens as it's rather clear that the UK is the initiator and the culprit.

 

3) No-deal brexit hurts both ways. That has never been a secret. There is always hope that the stomach ached UK will understand the realities and stop this madness altogether. This is more strategic goal, but a risk worth taking. 

 

4) Farage is a mess of his own. A clown, who nobody takes seriously. Nobody with two synapses. 

 

But fear not brexiteer. The time will come, when EU simply says that this stupid Brexit game is over. At that time, your future PM will be blaming EU for not playing a fair game. 

 

The next PM will blame your previous governments for doing a shitty job. The blame game will continue in the British politics until the next big war comes along. Then it's all over. 

 

I hope you enjoy so have a glimpse what your foreseeable future holds. 

 

 

I, for one, can’t wait to see what the future holds.

 

By the way Oily, 5.2million people took Farage seriously......makes your comment look somewhat redundant - and stupid. 

[Thairealist]

11 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I, for one, can’t wait to see what the future holds.

 

By the way Oily, 5.2million people took Farage seriously......makes your comment look somewhat redundant - and stupid. 

 

As regards the future of the E.U. I notice that remainers are consistent in their denial that the E.U. Intends to create an E. U army. This is just one aspect of the E.U. thatI am worried about. What direction do you think the Bureaucrats intend to take the people of Europe. 

Remember that in 1975 we were assured that we we would be joining a trading block, and only a trading block.

 

 

 

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, oilinki said:

I don't know and I would think physical checks would be required at the borders. 

So… exactly as so many in Northern as well as Southern Ireland DO NOT want, and is a break of the Good Fryday agreement.