Refused entry and thrown in a cell

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

You know that IOs are police officers, yes?  They are part of the RTP and therefore any room that they use are "police" rooms, anyone who is put in an immigration cell is in a police cell.  The OP used the word "cell", he therefore was describing the room as a police cell.

 

The poster described a room, not a cell.  The dictionary definition does not make the room a cell, if you'd ever been in a proper police cell in this country you'd know the difference.

 

Please don't try to tell me how to read or what comments to make, particularly when they are not addressed to you.

You said 'police cell', not the poster. You are the one who misquoted him. Not me. 

 

Are you now questioning the definition of a cell based of 'your' experiences? That's not how dictionary definitions work. We are speaking the English language here.  

 

You could always apologise to the poster for misquoting him and not fully understanding the meaning of some English words. That would go a long way in rectifying your reading errors. 

 

 

[CNXexpat]

23 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"...thrown in a cell..."

No, you weren't thrown in a cell!  Because you did not have a visa you were...

"directed to a small room with a bunk bed and a dirty towel for a blanket. sink and shower, immigration officers were very nice".  Nothing like a police cell at all.

He wrote "cell" generally, you wrote "police cell", so why is your cell more cell than his cell?

[Tayaout]

I was in the same situation and it was not that bad if you know what a Thai cell really look like. 

 

 

[CNXexpat]

22 hours ago, SteveK said:

Wearing a suit at Thai immigration is pretty damned stupid.

Writing comments like this is pretty damned stupid. Is there a law or rule that you are not allowed to live in Thailand without working there but working abroad or apply for a job outside Thailand or go to a funeral or wedding abroad?

[ahjames]

You entered with a visa exempt, did you have 20,000 baht cash? Cold hard cash, not master card nor bank statement in your ibank. No cash they can just refuse entry

[HLover]

2 minutes ago, ahjames said:

Cold hard cash

Versus the sweaty warm cash that resides in the pockets of everyone else.

[CNXexpat]

3 hours ago, wobalt said:

I wonder, why you don’t went with your wife through immigration??

If you´ll enter Thailand next time, take a look at the immigration´s sign. There are extra counters for Thai nationals - and as he has written before, he is British. 

My wife is always waiting for me direct behind the immigration for the case that I´ll get a problem.

[kmw]

This is quite normal, the company I work for issues many work permits and also cancells as well, after the work permit and extension of stay is cancelled it's better to come back to Thailand on a visa, as if you try to come back on a visa exempt we have found many ex employees get refused entry or grilled a lot at the airport as the IOs think your comming back to work here illegally, even if your genuinely a tourist, turning up in a suit sorry is the the worst idea

[Suradit69]

23 hours ago, overherebc said:

Believe 60 is what you get and you can extend for 30 or go out in get another 60 ( maybe land border better? ) and

Assuming he got a SETV, how does going out and coming back get him another 60 days?

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

Assuming he got a SETV, how does going out and coming back get him another 60 days?

Sorry I wasn't clear, 60 on entry extend by 30 out in land 30 VE and possibly 60 more for 'visiting wife' at local Imm' for 1900 baht.

[phuketrichard]

4 hours ago, overherebc said:

Phuket to mainland  to get a train obviously. I do know it's an island

closest train station is a 3 1/2 hour drive LOL

[jackdd]

30 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

If you´ll enter Thailand next time, take a look at the immigration´s sign. There are extra counters for Thai nationals - and as he has written before, he is British. 

My wife is always waiting for me direct behind the immigration for the case that I´ll get a problem.

So far i was always allowed to use the Thai lane when i showed up together with a Thai GF

[CNXexpat]

4 minutes ago, jackdd said:

So far i was always allowed to use the Thai lane when i showed up together with a Thai GF

Sometimes they allow, sometimes not. I don´t know if it´s possible in BKK right now since they have the automatic system for Thai nationals.

[Isaanbiker]

2 hours ago, StevieAus said:

The Malaysians were probably genuine tourists who would return I have met quite a few over the years who come on driving holidays.

Also I think there is a reciprocal agreement for ASEAN residents traveling  to other ASEAN countries that no visa is needed, my Thai wife doesn't need one for Vietnam but I do.

 

 

At the moment the ten ASEAN countries (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam) all have different visa policies. Once the visa for ASEAN becomes available, eligible citizens will be able to enter all ten countries as if they are a singular destination.

 

 

[Briggsy]

7 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

 

 

At the moment the ten ASEAN countries (Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam) all have different visa policies. Once the visa for ASEAN becomes available, eligible citizens will be able to enter all ten countries as if they are a singular destination.

 

 

You have confused freedom of movement within the Schengen zone under the EU treaty and projected it upon ASEAN. There is no such ASEAN agreement or plan and there never will be. If you can point to any agreement which contradicts this, please post. There was a vague agreement that there may be freedom of movement for highly-skilled professionals but it was never implemented in Thailand.

 

@jaffacakes1 I am sorry for your ordeal. Your detention and extra costs are wholly unjustified and arbitrary. The system is in dysfunctional flux. The instructions to airlines, the immigration legislation, the embassies and the actions of the Immigration Department are in contradiction to each other. This happened to me too. Something secret is happening. Perhaps in several years, the legislation will be changed to reflect the reality of Immigration's actions and so, foreigners will be able to know the rules they are supposed to comply with. Until such time, visitors will have to play roulette upon entry.

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, CNXexpat said:

He wrote "cell" generally, you wrote "police cell", so why is your cell more cell than his cell?

Read my posts, he was detained by the police, i.e. Immigration officers!

[CNXexpat]

3 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Read my posts, he was detained by the police, i.e. Immigration officers!

Yes, but the immigration has cells too, and he wrote about about a cell.

[SpanishExpat]

43 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

Sometimes they allow, sometimes not. I don´t know if it´s possible in BKK right now since they have the automatic system for Thai nationals.

How should that be possible? It`s the same if the Thai gf/wife would go with you trough the automatic system in Europe, which won`t work. The only possibility could be the SIN/HKG desk next to the automatic gates at Suvarnabhumi. However, they just have stamps there and no computer, which makes it again close to impossible.

[Ctkong]

6 hours ago, carabaothai said:

At the border, from Malaysia with my thai car, return from one week holidays, in August 2017, I was refused to enter

"unable to financially support oneself"

Sent to the boss.. who was not very friendly with me ????

Because I didn't have 20,000 THB or more in my wallet. 

I had mastercard, I showed my bank account statement on my smartphone bank application. I had the car..

NO entry mister. 

I had to go back to a Malaysian ATM to get the money.

 

That day, maybe 100 Malaysian people were at the border with me... only me was asked to prove that I have enough money! 

I think Malaysians as immediate neighbor were not imposed the 20,000 thb ruling too strictly. They were only in short time for some entertainment or shopping per se. 

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, phuketrichard said:

closest train station is a 3 1/2 hour drive LOL

You'll notice I said I don't know that neck of the woods, let's face it why would I think of going there, it's just a big expensive version of pattaya.

[elviajero]

3 hours ago, Xaos said:

For visa exemption you have to show min. 10k bath or 20k for family. Correct me if Im wrong. 

Yes you’re correct, but that is to satisfy section 12.9 of the immigration act. People are being denied entry under section 12.2 and can be denied under that law even if carrying 10/20K.

[elviajero]

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

It's become a sort of blanket 20,000 baht for all and 40,000 for a family I'm fairly sure.

It hasn’t. There has been no change to the regulation — reaffirmed in 2010 — to satisfy section 12.9 of the immigration act. It’s still 10K for VE.

[rkidlad]

36 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Read my posts, he was detained by the police, i.e. Immigration officers!

I'm confused. You said in your original post, and I quote:

 

"No, you weren't thrown in a cell!  Because you did not have a visa you were...

"directed to a small room with a bunk bed and a dirty towel for a blanket. sink and shower, immigration officers were very nice".  Nothing like a police cell at all"

 

Now you just said "he was detained by police, i.e. Immigration officers!"

 

Detained - 'To force someone officially to stay in one place'. Was he merely asked to wait in a small room or was he detained and confined to a cell? You keep on contradicting yourself, Justweird. 

 

You're having a shocker. 

 

 

[elviajero]

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

3 hours ago, watcharacters said:

Would having 20,000 baht upon entry to Thailand also be necessary for a person with a one year extension of stay based on 800K bank deposit retirement?

Not required

Yes even someone with an extension of stay (non-immigrant visa status) is required — by law — to carry 20K, BUT it is not generally enforced.

 

Immigration only seem to enforce this law if they are looking to deny entry. As it stands it’s only long term tourists being targeted. There’s no reason for them to enforce this law for someone given long term permission to stay that has met immigration financial requirements.

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It hasn’t. There has been no change to the regulation — reaffirmed in 2010 — to satisfy section 12.9 of the immigration act. It’s still 10K for VE.

I'll type this slowly so it's easy to read. ????????

It has become a blanket requirement to ask for 20,000 baht ie asked by IO's. I never stated by law.

I would rather have 20,000 to show when asked than tell an IO 'you're wrong and I'm right'.

If you feel you could argue with him then that would be your decision.

[Xaos]

First time when I came to Thailand for hols I didnt knew there was cash req on border for visa exemption. I had like 5k and rest in atm. Woman asked me show 10k i said got 5 and card she pointed on airplane and said go home. Luckily there was atm machine.

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[natway09]

I was advised to stay in Penang  for 3 nights before returning (some time ago though )

[jackdd]

30 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I'll type this slowly so it's easy to read. ????????

It has become a blanket requirement to ask for 20,000 baht ie asked by IO's. I never stated by law.

I would rather have 20,000 to show when asked than tell an IO 'you're wrong and I'm right'.

If you feel you could argue with him then that would be your decision.

This is the original ministerial order stating 10k for visa exempt / 20k with a visa (i sent this to @ubonjoe already, but he didn't add it to the "Laws, regulations, Police Orders, etc" topic yet) http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2543/E/053/4.PDF

Showing this might help if being asked for more than 10k if wanting to enter visa exempt, but it's of course easier to just carry 20k and avoid the discussion.

 

 

[elviajero]

41 minutes ago, overherebc said:

54 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It hasn’t. There has been no change to the regulation — reaffirmed in 2010 — to satisfy section 12.9 of the immigration act. It’s still 10K for VE.

I'll type this slowly so it's easy to read. ????????

It has become a blanket requirement to ask for 20,000 baht ie asked by IO's. I never stated by law.

No it hasn't. That is just your opinion. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up your opinion.

 

41 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I would rather have 20,000 to show when asked than tell an IO 'you're wrong and I'm right'.

If you feel you could argue with him then that would be your decision.

I think it's a good idea to carry at least 20K even though you only need 10K, and I regularly advise people to do that.

 

The 20K/10K is almost becoming irrelevant as immigration know that long term tourist are now aware of this law and deny entry under 12.2 instead.

[JaiLai]

On 7/25/2019 at 6:42 AM, Just Weird said:

"...thrown in a cell..."

No, you weren't thrown in a cell!  Because you did not have a visa you were...

"directed to a small room with a bunk bed and a dirty towel for a blanket. sink and shower, immigration officers were very nice".  Nothing like a police cell at all.

 

By the way, an expensive rental contract isn't evidence of being able to support yourself.

Must have been a terrible suit - lol